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[quote=AnonEmouse;1345143]Watching last night, I couldn't help feeling the Jets created the situation by not building a solid OL. AR was under pressure from the start, and Wilson often running from it. They spent all that money on AR and can't keep him upright?

That's a worrying parallel with us. We're going to face a lot of good pass rush teams this season, including those same Bills. If they aren't looking for FA and trade upgrades hard, we could be in the same boat as the Jets.[/quote]

Expect going from SH to Brissett is a tiny hop down from a children's play set with a padded floor to land on

Versus going from AR to Wilson is falling out of a jet plane in flight

the stakes are entirely different

All this season is is an opportunity for the Harris group to see what they have ; they have plenty of scape goats to lay blame on for a shit season.

this season we should hope for a playoff caliber team or a total bust. the worst that could happen is the team performs average or just below and Harris and company really don't know what they have; this holds true for SH as well.

If SH comes out and has an average year and your on the fence whatever to build on him or cut bait; it puts the franchise in a tough spot.

If we were not holding out hope on Haskins the year we drafted CY, at #2 we probably had been looking at some great QBs, sigh.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1345143]Watching last night, I couldn't help feeling the Jets created the situation by not building a solid OL. AR was under pressure from the start, and Wilson often running from it. They spent all that money on AR and can't keep him upright?

That's a worrying parallel with us. We're going to face a lot of good pass rush teams this season, including those same Bills. If they aren't looking for FA and trade upgrades hard, we could be in the same boat as the Jets.[/quote]

Definitely a head scratcher, but then again, Rodgers was always able to play behind a suspect o-line in the past. I guess his age finally caught up to him.

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He had really good lines in Green Bay. Not here. Bechton is a bust.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345139]Time for ARod to hang it up. That’s a long recovery and [B]he’s 41[/B]? Yeah it’s time

The jets franchise is so cursed


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

He's 39. He will be 40 on Dec 2.

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Rodgers pulled a Fitzmagic

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345149]Rodgers pulled a Fitzmagic[/quote]

He really did. Honestly I'd call them and offer Brisett for a 3rd

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1345150]He really did. Honestly I'd call them and offer Brisett for a 3rd[/QUOTE]


Hell yes. Id take a 4th even. Anything but a 2nd. Lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345150]He really did. Honestly I'd call them and offer Brisett for a 3rd[/quote]

That would actually be a pretty good idea for both teams. After what the Jets saw from their D last night, they should still want to go for it. I'd offer him for a 2nd, then negotiate down to a 3rd if needed.

If Howell gets hurt, might as well tank the season anyways and/or see if Fromm is magically some rabbit out of a hat.

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[quote=punch it in;1345151]Hell yes. Id take a 4th even. Anything but a 2nd. Lol[/quote]

We're going to have a real GM next season, I'll take the 2nd please and thank you.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345139]Time for ARod to hang it up. That’s a long recovery and he’s 41? Yeah it’s time

The jets franchise is so cursed


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

One of my work buddies is a Jets fan. Since the Commanders are the NFC version of the Jets we commiserate a lot.

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[quote=mredskins;1345144]Expect going from SH to Brissett is a tiny hop down from a children's play set with a padded floor to land on

Versus going from AR to Wilson is falling out of a jet plane in flight

the stakes are entirely different

All this season is is an opportunity for the Harris group to see what they have ; they have plenty of scape goats to lay blame on for a shit season.

this season we should hope for a playoff caliber team or a total bust. the worst that could happen is the team performs average or just below and Harris and company really don't know what they have; this holds true for SH as well.

If SH comes out and has an average year and your on the fence whatever to build on him or cut bait; it puts the franchise in a tough spot.

If we were not holding out hope on Haskins the year we drafted CY, at #2 we probably had been looking at some great QBs, sigh.[/quote]

I get what you mean, but I was drawing a parallel not a direct comparison. I just feel that if you want SH to succeed (who doesn't?) then this is a lesson. You want your QB to succeed, keep him upright. Of course if RR really needed to be taught that lesson after all this time, then it's already too late.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1345179]I get what you mean, but I was drawing a parallel not a direct comparison. I just feel that if you want SH to succeed (who doesn't?) then this is a lesson. You want your QB to succeed, keep him upright. Of course if RR really needed to be taught that lesson after all this time, then it's already too late.[/quote]

the pass protection was there, the line failed on the run.

SH holds the ball way too long.

By the end of this season either through injury or incompetent play; JB will get his shot.

I hope SH does well too but man I just don't see it yet.

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[quote=mredskins;1345184]the pass protection was there, the line failed on the run.

SH holds the ball way too long.

By the end of this season either through injury or incompetent play; JB will get his shot.

[B]I hope SH does well too but man I just don't see it yet.[/B][/quote]

Give him to the bye week to see what he has. He'll get there. Just needs more starts.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1345185]Give him to the bye week to see what he has. He'll get there. Just needs more starts.[/quote]

This. I think it's way too early to judge either way, but 2 at least average performances in 2 starts and 2 wins is a good start all things considered.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1345153]We're going to have a real GM next season, I'll take the 2nd please and thank you.[/quote]

How about getting their starting RT instead? Oh wait, that is Becton and he hasn't exactly shined (although it was the other tackle that got roasted when Rodgers got hurt). Sigh -- would love to get some help on our leaky O-line, but that seems impossible now.

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[quote=calia;1345188]How about getting their starting RT instead? Oh wait, that is Becton and he hasn't exactly shined (although it was the other tackle that got roasted when Rodgers got hurt). Sigh -- would love to get some help on our leaky O-line, but that seems impossible now.[/quote]

anyone worthwhile available to lure out of retirement? lol

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1345187]This. I think it's way too early to judge either way, but 2 at least average performances in 2 starts and 2 wins is a good start all things considered.[/QUOTE]


I think Dallas was above average but im probably splitting hairs because my sanity depends on Howell actually, finally, being a reliable quarterback.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1345184]the pass protection was there, the line failed on the run.

SH holds the ball way too long.

By the end of this season either through injury or incompetent play; JB will get his shot.

I hope SH does well too but man I just don't see it yet.[/QUOTE]


JB has had plenty of shots. He isn’t good. Not as a starter. Sam would definitely have to get hurt for him to get another shot. With this oline that is entirely possible.

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[quote=mredskins;1345184]I hope SH does well too but man I just don't see it yet.[/quote]

LOL.

This is what? His 2nd start? We really here? :banghead:

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[quote=NC_Skins;1345211]LOL.

This is what? His 2nd start? We really here? :banghead:[/quote]

I said yet but you see all this greatness in two starts?

I bet this time next year this whole team will look different from the front office to the QB to the water boy

Everyone is on a prove it deal with the Harris group , unless you wow him you’re gone , he will want his people

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[quote=NC_Skins;1345211]LOL.

This is what? His 2nd start? We really here? :banghead:[/quote]

Yeah as of now hes 2-0 as a starter and 2-0 at Home... It's been up and down but at least hes winning

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1345214]I said yet but you see all this greatness in two starts?

I bet this time next year this whole team will look different from the front office to the QB to the water boy

Everyone is on a prove it deal with the Harris group , unless you wow him you’re gone , he will want his people[/QUOTE]


I see a quarterback with two starts, two wins, who has had to learn two different offenses and plays behind a bad offensive line. Not sure what you are looking for? Arm strength? Has it. Accuracy? Has it. Mobility? Has it. Toughness? Has it. Poise? Has it.
The list of really good or great quarterbacks who weren’t on a trajectory towards the Hall of Fame after two games is as long as the list of quarterbacks who have ever started two games in the NFL. For you to already be betting that he isn’t our quarterback next year is crazy M. I hope to God Harris isn’t Snyder and has a little bit of patience.

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[quote=mredskins;1345214]I said yet but you see all this greatness in two starts?

I bet this time next year this whole team will look different from the front office to the QB to [B]the water boy [/B]

Everyone is on a prove it deal with the Harris group , unless you wow him you’re gone , he will want his people[/quote]

Never forget
[url]https://twitter.com/kes_137/status/1176468436576342016[/url]

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All we know after two starts with Sam is we need to see more.

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[quote=punch it in;1345218][B]I see a quarterback with two starts, two wins, who has had to learn two different offenses and plays behind a bad offensive line. Not sure what you are looking for? Arm strength? Has it. Accuracy? Has it. Mobility? Has it. Toughness? Has it. Poise? Has it. [/B]
The list of really good or great quarterbacks who weren’t on a trajectory towards the Hall of Fame after two games is as long as the list of quarterbacks who have ever started two games in the NFL. For you to already be betting that he isn’t our quarterback next year is crazy M. I hope to God Harris isn’t Snyder and has a little bit of patience.[/quote]

Not sure how the pro SH folks can see all the positive in just two starts but any concern or folks still on the fence about him can't possible know what they are talking about after just two starts.

I say his biggest positive to date is he isn't easily rattled; which is a great asset

I hope he works out but IMHO the Harris group isn't saying behind closed doors, check off QB1 we are all set there

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1345223]Not sure how the pro SH folks can see all the positive in just two starts but any concern or folks still on the fence about him can't possible know what they are talking about after just two starts.

I say his biggest positive to date is he isn't easily rattled; which is a great asset

I hope he works out but IMHO the Harris group isn't saying behind closed doors, check off QB1 we are all set there[/QUOTE]


Of course they aren’t. That would be foolish. Always have to keep options open for any player/position.

The positives i see are just what i listed. Arm strength, accuracy, poise, mobility, toughness. He has shown us all that. It has to be consistent of course, and that remains to be seen. Just saying that after 2 starts I’ve seen enough to think that we could be on to something. Taylor Heinekie had zero arm strength. Carson Wentz had zero mobility. That was obvious. There is no obvious weakness to what I see with Sam. He just needs to hone his skills but that isn’t a weakness it is something any rookie quarterback needs to do. Even the greatest ones had to do that.

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[quote=punch it in;1345224]Of course they aren’t. That would be foolish. Always have to keep options open for any player/position.

The positives i see are just what i listed. Arm strength, accuracy, poise, mobility, toughness. He has shown us all that. It has to be consistent of course, and that remains to be seen. Just saying that after 2 starts I’ve seen enough to think that we could be on to something. Taylor Heinekie had zero arm strength. Carson Wentz had zero mobility. That was obvious. There is no obvious weakness to what I see with Sam. He just needs to hone his skills but that isn’t a weakness it is something any rookie quarterback needs to do. Even the greatest ones had to do that.[/quote]

his most obvious weakness is the speed of his progressions and holding the ball to long especially with a sus line

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1345225]his most obvious weakness is the speed of his progressions and holding the ball to long especially with a sus line[/QUOTE]


Both extremely coachable and fixable unlike arm strength etc.

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[quote=MTK;1345227][YT]TgSdOlw7ShA[/YT][/quote]

I really think every one on this board should be required to liste to Keim before making any outlandish remarks (and that's me included).

On a serious note, it is good to see that a lot of the issues with both Sam and the offensive line are fixable. For the o-line, it is having more experience working together, and for Sam it is fixing those little mistake and not repeat them (as you punch said, all coachable).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345228]I really think every one on this board should be required to liste to Keim before making any outlandish remarks (and that's me included).

On a serious note, it is good to see that a lot of the issues with both Sam and the offensive line are fixable. For the o-line, it is having more experience working together, and for Sam it is fixing those little mistake and not repeat them (as you punch said, all coachable).[/quote]

Thank You!! If people can’t see the difference between SH vs Heinecken and Wentz they must be blind.

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Experience experience experience. He has all the tools he just needs experience. He will get there. It us what makes these winnable games so important. Im excited to see him get another go Sunday.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345228]I really think every one on this board should be required to liste to Keim before making any outlandish remarks (and that's me included).

On a serious note, it is good to see that a lot of the issues with both Sam and the offensive line are fixable. For the o-line, it is having more experience working together, and for Sam it is fixing those little mistake and not repeat them (as you punch said, all coachable).[/quote]

and this:

[url]https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-al-galdi-podcast/id1553345193[/url]

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Getting lost in the shuffle here is also its time to move on from Logan Thomas

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How about Brock Purdy? Last pick in the draft coming off a serious injury. No problem, rolls Pittsburgh at their crib. Very impressed w/ that kid.

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[quote=mredskins;1345231]and this:

[url]https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-al-galdi-podcast/id1553345193[/url][/quote]

Take Command with Craig Hoffman and Logan Paulsen is a good too.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1345232]Getting lost in the shuffle here is also its time to move on from Logan Thomas[/QUOTE]


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[quote=skinsfan69;1345233]How about Brock Purdy? Last pick in the draft coming off a serious injury. No problem, rolls Pittsburgh at their crib. Very impressed w/ that kid.[/quote]

Not to take anything away from Purdy, but the 49ers are built to insert just about any QB to be successful. But you still need a good QB regardless, and I'm happy to see him being a success so far after being a 7th rounder.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345234]Take Command with Craig Hoffman and [B]Logan Paulsen[/B] is a good too.[/quote]

Usually in season he gives a weekly recap on Al's podcast as a guest, i catch him there.

But yes good recommendation

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And now for some silly ish:

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