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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322535]Anybody see what Jamin Davis posted to IG after Rivera singled him out again for D this week?

[url]https://twitter.com/WentzToMcLaurin/status/1571965944355852289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1571965944355852289%7Ctwgr%5E5462d8225826b97b06e08036a26a3079d04288ee%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2022%2F9%2F20%2F23342622%2Fall-atwitter-20-september-2022[/url]

oh boy[/quote]

JDR and Rivera went full stupid on that one. Don't blame Davis for being pissed.

JDR throwing anyone under any sort of vehicle is comical, fucking bum ass coach.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322559]Not a fan of Chris Russell but:
Here's the most interesting part of the #Commanders pitiful defense so far through two games...

Last year, on third-down, they were 2nd worst (31st) in #NFL at 48.47% allowed.

This year, they are tied for 5th BEST (4-13 @ Det, 3-12 vs #Jags) at 28% allowed.
@Commanders
#NFL

Well yeah when they get a first down after two plays you don't get a chance to stop them on third down.[/quote]

That's hilarious. We ramped it up a notch this year. Why wait all the way until 3rd down when we can collapse on 1st and 2nd down. No more procrastinating.

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Jonathan Allen had a good interview w Junkies this morning.

Asked about scheme .. he sd to him it doesnt matter about scheme if the players dont execute. Its up to players to make tackles and plays.

Asked if players arent giving effort - he, like a good captain, focused on himself. Said on that 3rd and 15 where Swift caught ball fell and got back up and scored .. he stopped bc he thought someone would come and touch him down.

Asked if he was still injured - he sd he had no set backs in detroit so hes good to go

Asked about ideal snap count after playing 110 snaps in 2 weeks - he sd ideally 40 snaps a game but it depends on how individual game plays out

Asked about coaches signaling out Jamin - sd he purposefully doesnt listen to media stuff, hasnt heard anything but some players are aware

Asked about his sleeping - goes to bed btw 9-10, maybe take a melatonin night before game

Asked about Jalen - sd they need pressure up the middle. jalen gives more chances for sacks vs a Goff who gets teh ball out quick. Sd if a QB gets ball out quick .. pass rush doesnt matter.

Asked about his favorite drink - loves bourbon neat, drinks the expensive stuff

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[quote=mredskins;1322538]any good QBs in this years draft?[/quote]

I think we need to see Wentz for a full season and then judge him. 2 games is simply not enough of a sample size.

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[quote=SunnySide;1322568]Jonathan Allen had a good interview w Junkies this morning.

Asked about scheme .. he sd to him it doesnt matter about scheme if the players dont execute. Its up to players to make tackles and plays.

Asked if players arent giving effort - he, like a good captain, focused on himself. Said on that 3rd and 15 where Swift caught ball fell and got back up and scored .. he stopped bc he thought someone would come and touch him down.

Asked if he was still injured - he sd he had no set backs in detroit so hes good to go

Asked about ideal snap count after playing 110 snaps in 2 weeks - he sd ideally 40 snaps a game but it depends on how individual game plays out

Asked about coaches signaling out Jamin - sd he purposefully doesnt listen to media stuff, hasnt heard anything but some players are aware

Asked about his sleeping - goes to bed btw 9-10, maybe take a melatonin night before game

Asked about Jalen - sd they need pressure up the middle. jalen gives more chances for sacks vs a Goff who gets teh ball out quick. Sd if a QB gets ball out quick .. pass rush doesnt matter.

Asked about his favorite drink - loves bourbon neat, drinks the expensive stuff[/quote]

We have some really good dudes on this team. We need a new HC that can actually admit we are lacking in talent on defense, and ESPECIALLY at LBer.

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I read how critical Rivera was about the players performance during the Detroit game. A good head coach does not publicly criticize or bash his players. He did the same thing in Carolina. It is a shame that he doesn't consider the failures of the coaches to be the reason for the team's failures. I sincerely hope that him and his whole staff are fired after this year. In fact, get rid of the entire staff, especially the conditioning coach. I give Rivera props for straightening out the mess that Snyder gave him, but he is not and (IMO) never will be a consistently winning coach. I have no idea or prediction who should replace him, but he needs to go. Washington will always be a more losses than wins team as long as he is here.

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[quote=oldfan;1322574]I read how critical Rivera was about the players performance during the Detroit game. A good head coach does not publicly criticize or bash his players. He did the same thing in Carolina. It is a shame that he doesn't consider the failures of the coaches to be the reason for the team's failures. I sincerely hope that him and his whole staff are fired after this year. In fact, get rid of the entire staff, especially the conditioning coach. I give Rivera props for straightening out the mess that Snyder gave him, but he is not and (IMO) never will be a consistently winning coach. I have no idea or prediction who should replace him, but he needs to go. Washington will always be a more losses than wins team as long as he is here.[/quote]

Someone young and exciting! Please not a damn re-tread. Let's move into the 21st century!!

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[quote=irish;1322549]I like that RR finally spoke open and honestly, I'm sick of the coach-speak.[/quote]

When you do that you open yourself up and your staff to get the same treatment, as we already saw with the post on social media. Also you have devalued your own player who is a first round pick. No one wins doing that.

To me it is very simple. What can Davis do best? What can't he do? Don't ask a player to do something he can't and put him in the position to make plays.

Maybe asking him to cover people isn't his thing. That is their fault for drafting him and asking him to do it. That is poor scouting. By the looks of it he can rush pretty well so have him do that, send him on blitzes, move him around and go get the QB.

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Davis draft profile was good size, sideline to sideline ability with good coverage skills

hes our best equipped coverage LB .. but 1 on 1 in space against a Swift or WR isnt ideal for any LB. Teams scheme and move guys around and will get a handful of snaps with a mismatch. That will happen.

Hopefully Davis can become a Marcus Washington

but LBs are cheap in FA

maybe dont use a 1R on a LB unless its a clear cut stud or someone who played LB in college but will be an edge guy (parsons)

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Can anyone link to Ron or JDR's comments this week? I saw his comments last week but all you guys are just talking about what he said without actually linking to a transcript.

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I have heard both comment specifically on Jamin Davis. Not sure where to find a transcript, but here's this:

[url]https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ron_rivera_remains_critical_of_commanders_lb_jamin_davis_after_loss/s1_16457_37898247[/url]

“Well he was a little inconsistent,” Rivera said, per Commanders Wire. “And, again, as a young guy, he’s going to learn and grow, but we’re running out of time as far as that’s concerned. We gotta go out and be consistent.”


[url]http://dcsportsking.com/2022/09/16/jack-del-rio-calls-out-jamin-davis-for-not-playing-well-in-week-1/[/url]

“Jamin was just OK in the game,” Del Rio said of Davis, per ESPN’s John Keim. “He practiced better throughout the preseason… he has to play better. He didn’t play very well last week. I saw a lot of good things this offseason, so it surprised me he didn’t play better.”

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At first this pissed me off now it is just funny

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1571868940191637508[/url]

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1322597]At first this pissed me off now it is just funny

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1571868940191637508[/url][/QUOTE]


This is bad news bears on a bad day. My God.

2 defensive minded coaches in year three and this is what they give us? Unreal.

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[quote=punch it in;1322599]This is bad news bears on a bad day. My God.

2 defensive minded coaches in year three and this is what they give us? Unreal.[/quote]

RR said one guy missed his assignment. Goal of play was to see if they could get a sack to push them out of field goal range. I can respect the aggressiveness but my Tuesday evening quarterbacking says the more pragmatic approach would have been to call a cover play and have them kick the FG. I might be wrong but at this point I believe it was 22-15 and in the 3rd quarter. Detroit was at the 21-22 yard line, playing in a dome, that would have to be one helluva sack to force them out of field goal range. I'd take the 3 knowing we outscored them 15-3 that quarter and had momentum.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322597]At first this pissed me off now it is just funny

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1571868940191637508[/url][/quote]


It looks like there is more than one idiot on that play. Watch Fuller loafing at :06. He thinks that McCain will just take care of it. Bums...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1322626]It looks like there is more than one idiot on that play. Watch Fuller loafing at :06. He thinks that McCain will just take care of it. Bums...[/quote]

I think you mean St-Juste. He hit low gear there... It looks terrible, but honestly, the only dude within 10 yards of Swift when he fell down was Jeter, who was signed just before the game and isn't even on the team now. I think it was just an unfortunate play. McCain recognized it immediately, but came in too hot. Fuller came in hot but he was obstructed by Chark. Forrest and Jackson were covering their responsibilities and really weren't in a position to make a play...and Swift is pretty damn good in the open field.

I think if you want to assign blame, because that is what my kids like to do...then you have to put it on St-Juste for lolly-gagging. He had the best angle to get Swift after he popped up, but hit looooowwww gear as if the play was over. You can blame McCain for missing the tackle, but at least he was aware and had some intent.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1322608]RR said one guy missed his assignment. Goal of play was to see if they could get a sack to push them out of field goal range. I can respect the aggressiveness but my Tuesday evening quarterbacking says the more pragmatic approach would have been to call a cover play and have them kick the FG. I might be wrong but at this point I believe it was 22-15 and in the 3rd quarter. Detroit was at the 21-22 yard line, playing in a dome, that would have to be one helluva sack to force them out of field goal range. I'd take the 3 knowing we outscored them 15-3 that quarter and had momentum.[/QUOTE]


Im talking about the idiots running around like they have never tackled anyone in their life more then the play call.

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[quote=punch it in;1322629]Im talking about the idiots running around like they have never tackled anyone in their life more then the play call.[/quote]

My favorite was Jeter who could have tackled him at the 15 decides not to then runs in a circular arc to the end zone and pushes St Juste in the back and blocks Forrests path

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322627]I think you mean St-Juste. He hit low gear there... It looks terrible, but honestly, the only dude within 10 yards of Swift when he fell down was Jeter, who was signed just before the game and isn't even on the team now. I think it was just an unfortunate play. McCain recognized it immediately, but came in too hot. Fuller came in hot but he was obstructed by Chark. Forrest and Jackson were covering their responsibilities and really weren't in a position to make a play...and Swift is pretty damn good in the open field.

I think if you want to assign blame, because that is what my kids like to do...then you have to put it on St-Juste for lolly-gagging. He had the best angle to get Swift after he popped up, but hit looooowwww gear as if the play was over. You can blame McCain for missing the tackle, but at least he was aware and had some intent.[/quote]

McCain has to make that tackle or at the minimum put a shot on him to stop momentum.

It’s infuriating to watch him, Will Jax and Fuller play so inconsistent. We either need a complete rebuild with these 3 or play scheme which allows them to play for their strength.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1322544]I really didn't think Davis played bad on Sun. They did what they should be doing and that is blitzing him a lot more.

Also you don't rip your players to the media. That to me is a BIG no no. Ron saying openly "we're running out of time" about Davis is WRONG. All Ron had to say was "Jamin is working hard, he did some good things out there and there are some things we need to clean up." You simply don't say what Ron said.

What if the players openly called you out for your stupid ass decision to go for two when there was no reason to?[/quote]

Totally agree. Tossing a player under the bus is 100% the wrong way to go. JDR is trash. I'm done with that bozo. Ron knows better too. These guys ignored the LB spot so they have nobody to blame but themselves.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322627]I think you mean St-Juste. He hit low gear there... It looks terrible, but honestly, the only dude within 10 yards of Swift when he fell down was Jeter, who was signed just before the game and isn't even on the team now. I think it was just an unfortunate play. McCain recognized it immediately, but came in too hot. Fuller came in hot but he was obstructed by Chark. Forrest and Jackson were covering their responsibilities and really weren't in a position to make a play...and Swift is pretty damn good in the open field.

I think if you want to assign blame, because that is what my kids like to do...then you have to put it on St-Juste for lolly-gagging. He had the best angle to get Swift after he popped up, but hit looooowwww gear as if the play was over. You can blame McCain for missing the tackle, but at least he was aware and had some intent.[/quote]

Check that.. St. Juste.. that looks so bad on film. Perhaps he thought Swift dropped the ball.. lol.

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Need to see more of this, Payne and Allen taking on 3 OL and having Jamin free to attack:

[url]https://twitter.com/Tiller56/status/1572545538096041984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1572545538096041984%7Ctwgr%5Eca1984a505dbbed1bea257c37af0729c7f0fb706%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2022%2F9%2F21%2F23352642%2Fall-atwitter-21-september-2022[/url]

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Chico wrote: [QUOTE]McCain has to make that tackle or at the minimum put a shot on him to stop momentum.

It’s infuriating to watch him, Will Jax and Fuller play so inconsistent. We either need a complete rebuild with these 3 or play scheme which allows them to play for their strength.[/QUOTE]

Concur on both.

MTK wrote: [QUOTE]Totally agree. Tossing a player under the bus is 100% the wrong way to go. JDR is trash. I'm done with that bozo. Ron knows better too. These guys ignored the LB spot so they have nobody to blame but themselves.[/QUOTE]

+1000

skinsfan69 wrote: [QUOTE]Check that.. St. Juste.. that looks so bad on film. Perhaps he thought Swift dropped the ball.. lol.[/QUOTE]

You'd hope that's what he thought, lol.

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[quote=Chico23231;1322644]McCain has to make that tackle or at the minimum put a shot on him to stop momentum.

It’s infuriating to watch him, Will Jax and Fuller play so inconsistent. We either need a complete rebuild with these 3 or play scheme which allows them to play for their strength.[/quote]

Yep, there's at least three players that probably could have made the tackle. Bad things happen when you let dudes just run around wide open. Sometimes they can have a seat for a minute and still score.

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They need to play with some urgency. Pretend the football is $1 million and it is yours if you tackle the guy. Dotson said at the beginning of the season that he thinks about the football like it's money, and because he likes money, he goes to get it. And he plays like it. Heck, if that's what motivates, fine by me. Go get it. You literally are making millions to tackle people after all.

Now with the link: [url]https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-i-love-money-jahan-dotson-is-confident-for-his-first-season-in-the-nfl/[/url]

Side note -- I don't recall the last time I was as excited about a WR tandem as McLaurin and Dotson. Explosive. And Samuel has looked good this season so far as well. Really happy where we are with that position.

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It's hard to think that there is a better trio out there. And if/when B Rob comes back and we are able to establish a running game, this offense could be pretty potent. Just gotta get that D turned around - so frustrating.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322685]It's hard to think that there is a better trio out there. And if/when B Rob comes back and we are able to establish a running game, this offense could be pretty potent. Just gotta get that D turned around - so frustrating.[/quote]

Spot on. Our TE situation isn't bad either, although I think Thomas is still recovering from his injury last year. But Bates has been a very good blocker, and Cole Turner should be back soon -- that's a position that is in decent shape as well. An average D would make this team pretty dangerous.

I still wish they'd find some additional LB help -- Blake Martinez is out there. I see the Giants just signed Jaylon Smith. The dude has his issues, but I have to think he's got more to offer than Mayo, for example. Even incremental improvements in the middle and back end of the the defense would be welcome. As would better coaching/scheme. How we had a top 5 D two years ago is beyond me. Seems like an age.

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[quote=calia;1322689]Spot on. Our TE situation isn't bad either, although I think Thomas is still recovering from his injury last year. But Bates has been a very good blocker, and Cole Turner should be back soon -- that's a position that is in decent shape as well. An average D would make this team pretty dangerous.

I still wish they'd find some additional LB help -- Blake Martinez is out there. I see the Giants just signed Jaylon Smith. The dude has his issues, but I have to think he's got more to offer than Mayo, for example. Even incremental improvements in the middle and back end of the the defense would be welcome. As would better coaching/scheme. [B]How we had a top 5 D two years ago is beyond me.[/B] Seems like an age.[/quote]

This is why I think it will turn around. Even last year for the second half of the season the D was pretty good - if you take out the stretch against DAL/PHI/DAL when they were decimated by injury/COVID.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322693]This is why I think it will turn around. Even last year for the second half of the season the D was pretty good - if you take out the stretch against DAL/PHI/DAL when they were decimated by injury/COVID.[/quote]

I hope you're right. I will say this, whether it is personnel, scheme or a combo of the two, coming out flatfooted like they did last week just can't happen again. They looked lost. I know that happens occasionally even to good teams (e.g., Green Bay and SF in week 1), but for a team trying to turn things around, they need to be hungrier. Again, the Lions serve as a good model here. I think Siriani's Eagles may as well, unfortunately.

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[quote=calia;1322694]I hope you're right. I will say this, whether it is personnel, scheme or a combo of the two, coming out flatfooted like they did last week just can't happen again. They looked lost. I know that happens occasionally even to good teams (e.g., Green Bay and SF in week 1), but for a team trying to turn things around, they need to be hungrier. Again, the Lions serve as a good model here. I think Siriani's Eagles may as well, unfortunately.[/quote]

My issue with the Defense is the coaching staff unwillingness to make a change. And they should make a change, since they are running into the same problems from last year. At this point, they should have learned from last year when they refused to move Collins to the Buffalo nickel and make him a hybrid player.

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Keep in mind that "top 5" D from 2 years ago got fat on several bottom of the barrel backup QBs. When faced with some real competition they got shredded, like the TB playoff game.

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[quote=MTK;1322697]Keep in mind that "top 5" D from 2 years ago got fat on several bottom of the barrel backup QBs. When faced with some real competition they got shredded, like the TB playoff game.[/quote]

While that is true, I don't think it takes that much away from what they were able to accomplish that year.

They started slow last year too, but in the second half of the season they only allowed an average of about 16 points per game against T Brady, C Newton, D Carr, J Hurts, T Bridgewater, R Wilson, and D Jones...

The team was not too good from week 14-16, but they had a lot of issues going on during that stretch.

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All fair points, Matty, but I think we can all agree that they were a moonshot better than what we've seen so far this season. Unless Jax and Det are actually good enough to make deep playoff runs (not sold on that yet), our D cannot be said to have held up all that well. Giving up 58 points in two games is not a good sign.

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[quote=calia;1322701]All fair points, Matty, but I think we can all agree that they were a moonshot better than what we've seen so far this season. Unless Jax and Det are actually good enough to make deep playoff runs (not sold on that yet), our D cannot be said to have held up all that well. Giving up 58 points in two games is not a good sign.[/quote]

Maybe we're underselling Jax and Detroit just a bit. Are they going deep into the playoffs? Probably not, but neither will we. They are both probably .500 ish teams at best, like us.

At the end of the day yes, the D is a big concern.

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Honestly, they just have to eliminate the big plays and they'll be fine.

Detroit ran 61 plays for 425 yards. [B]They gained 260 yards on 7 of those 61 plays.[/B] That means that they only gained 165 yards over the remaining 54 plays.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322704]Honestly, they just have to eliminate the big plays and they'll be fine.

Detroit ran 61 plays for 425 yards. [B]They gained 260 yards on 7 of those 61 plays.[/B] That means that they only gained 165 yards over the remaining 54 plays.[/quote]

Good gravy -- that's absurd. I had read that we've given up more 20+ and 40+ yard plays than anyone else this season, but those numbers are insane. So on 7 plays they averaged 37 years per play, and on the remaining 54 plays, they averaged 3 yards per play. Yikes.

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How our defense communicates under JDR:

[IMG]https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.04c5a5ce229de38fd97df7d4dd3b2a2f?rik=hWxu%2fO6hZhb05g&riu=http%3a%2f%2f2.bp.blogspot.com%2f-VDga1G4qGF4%2fT3EZpyYNIrI%2fAAAAAAAAABs%2fibH_coVAUFw%2fs1600%2ftin-can-telephone.jpg&ehk=U4LYcbZzntj%2fxiVzN873T43C6MKkweUEye5TCABEwUY%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&sres=1&sresct=1[/IMG]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1322709]How our defense communicates under JDR:

[IMG]https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.04c5a5ce229de38fd97df7d4dd3b2a2f?rik=hWxu%2fO6hZhb05g&riu=http%3a%2f%2f2.bp.blogspot.com%2f-VDga1G4qGF4%2fT3EZpyYNIrI%2fAAAAAAAAABs%2fibH_coVAUFw%2fs1600%2ftin-can-telephone.jpg&ehk=U4LYcbZzntj%2fxiVzN873T43C6MKkweUEye5TCABEwUY%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&sres=1&sresct=1[/IMG][/quote]

Higher tech than I thought -- I was thinking smoke signals or passenger pigeons.

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Tired of hearing this BS about communication. If you're 3 years into your program and communication is still an issue, you either have the wrong players or you're the wrong coach. Either way, fix it already.

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[quote=calia;1322714]Higher tech than I thought -- I was thinking smoke signals or passenger pigeons.[/quote]

Smoke signals left when the name changed.