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[QUOTE=nonniey;1313658]Maybe, maybe not. We've had great off seasons many times over the past 30 years and they all turned into pumpkins.[/QUOTE]


Well you could improve more than any team in the league, but still not be at the top of the pack or even remotely close because you started that far behind the rest. This chart and the pre season rankings chart are two totally different worlds.

In other words we could just be a bigger, rounder, oranger pumpkin. Lol.

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Link has a good depth chart of where Commanders stand: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/3/16/22981225/report-commanders-will-release-veteran-dl-matt-ioannidis-today[/url]

Note: depth chart does not include Norwell

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1313665]Link has a good depth chart of where Commanders stand: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/3/16/22981225/report-commanders-will-release-veteran-dl-matt-ioannidis-today[/url]

Note: depth chart does not include Norwell[/QUOTE]


Holy need in the middle of our defense batman.
Mlb, S, and T are really screaming for help.

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[quote=punch it in;1313674]Holy need in the middle of our defense batman.
Mlb, S, and T are really screaming for help.[/quote]

No kidding. We lack depth overall IMO. We'll see what else happens in FA and then the draft.

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They’re nowhere close to done.

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To me the key needs for upgrade are MLB and FS. OL needs depth, but always does. Who should we pursue as upgrades?

MLB - Wagner obviously, but is there anyone else out there worth pursuing in FA as an upgrade? If we can't land Wagner or at least a moderate improvement at MLB, we have to focus on it in the draft.
FS - Mathieu comes to mind, but there are question marks. Is he enough of an upgrade over McCain to justify a big cap hit, not to mention his health, but he can make a big impact if healthy etc. I'd look at DeShon Elliot and Jayron Kearse too. Is there anyone in FA that stands out as a significant upgrade aside from these 3?

I can see them bringing in an FA OT as a back up, but there are no young guys on the list of FA's that strike me as an upgrade. Again see what shakes out in the draft.

I'd also like to se them look at Will Fuller and Valdes-Scantling. We're not desperate for WR help, but if the re are still question marks over Samuel, we need a bona fide #2.

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I don't see Bobby Wagner as a viable option. We don't have enough cap space to add him, plus extend McLaurin, plus take on the contracts that come along with the rookie class.

I think we're looking more at the Kyzir White, Donta Hightower, Anthony Barr, or Anthony Walker type guys. Just depends what you want - first and second down thumper or a guy to flex into buffalo nickel (Kyzir White).

Similarly at safety I think honeybadger is too costly - and it wouldn't make a ton of sense, we already paid Bobby McCain starter money and we don't want to put Kam Curl on the bench. I don't think the starting caliber safeties would be interested in playing here because of it - I think you can forget about Quandre Diggs, Terrell Edmunds, etc.
There are a lot of depth safeties out there and we can afford to be patient at this position. I think Jabrill Peppers might appeal as the buffalo nickel type, depending what we do at MLB. He is a special teams force too which makes him appealing as a replacement for Everett. Anthony Harris and Rodney McLeod are both available too. Those are guys we can probably get for $3M if we're patient during the second wave and they'd give you solid dependable depth.

This is the part of FA where we should be patient, let the available players sweat a little bit, and scoop up several dependable guys for a few million each.

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I'd try to get Star Lotulelei the same way. $4M for him, $4M for a MLB, $3M for a depth safety, $3M for a swing tackle, and save the rest for Terry.

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I feel like Safety might be able to be addressed in the draft too more so than MLB

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[quote=Schneed10;1313720]I'd try to get Star Lotulelei the same way. $4M for him, $4M for a MLB, $3M for a depth safety, $3M for a swing tackle, and save the rest for Terry.[/quote]

agree, we lost depth at DT and need to fill that void

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[quote=Schneed10;1313719]I don't see Bobby Wagner as a viable option. We don't have enough cap space to add him, plus extend McLaurin, plus take on the contracts that come along with the rookie class.

[B]I think we're looking more at the Kyzir White, Donta Hightower, Anthony Barr, or Anthony Walker type guys.[/B] Just depends what you want - first and second down thumper or a guy to flex into buffalo nickel (Kyzir White).

Similarly at safety I think honeybadger is too costly - and it wouldn't make a ton of sense, we already paid Bobby McCain starter money and we don't want to put Kam Curl on the bench. I don't think the starting caliber safeties would be interested in playing here because of it - I think you can forget about Quandre Diggs, Terrell Edmunds, etc.
There are a lot of depth safeties out there and we can afford to be patient at this position. I think Jabrill Peppers might appeal as the buffalo nickel type, depending what we do at MLB. He is a special teams force too which makes him appealing as a replacement for Everett. Anthony Harris and Rodney McLeod are both available too. Those are guys we can probably get for $3M if we're patient during the second wave and they'd give you solid dependable depth.

This is the part of FA where we should be patient, let the available players sweat a little bit, and scoop up several dependable guys for a few million each.[/quote]

You may very well be right on that, and I won't freak out if we don't sign[I] the highest available profile[/I], I just want a proven vet at MLB. [URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/inside-linebacker/all/"]Many are still available.[/URL]

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i think the MLB FROM UTAH IS THERE WITH ARE PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND THEY WILL TAKE HIM DEVIN LYOD

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we are also very very thin at CB and TE

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[quote=njant;1313781]i think the MLB FROM UTAH IS THERE WITH ARE PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND THEY WILL TAKE HIM DEVIN LYOD[/quote]I could definitely see that if they don't trade down. Just have gone so heavy on defense the last few years with 1st rounders and took a lb last year in the 1st round.

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[quote=njant;1313782]we are also very very thin at CB and TE[/quote]

We need a nickel corner and depth boundary corner

At TE it all depends on Logan Thomas…will he be ready? Bates and Reyes are developing depth. I think we should add a vet TE, but someone (like RSJ) who will need to fight for a spot. Also, drafting a TE wouldn’t be out of the question

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Nobody thinks much of St. Juste? I like his skill set to keep developing. Can't hurt to add another guy but I'm not throwing much money at CB - other holes come first. A guy like Darrell Roberts or similar can be picked up for $1M pretty late in the game.

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[quote=Schneed10;1313800]Nobody thinks much of St. Juste? I like his skill set to keep developing. Can't hurt to add another guy but I'm not throwing much money at CB - other holes come first. A guy like Darrell Roberts or similar can be picked up for $1M pretty late in the game.[/quote]

I think the question with St. Juste is about his health. He was definitely on the upswing until he was riddle by his concussion (can't remember if it was one or two) and the issues he had following them. If he's healthy, then I think he could definitely become that 3rd CB.

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I have a hard time with concussion risk. I feel like that risk exists with every player, maybe in some position groups more than others. But as for which CBs carry more concussion risk than other CBs, I don't see how you can ever say. It seems random. I see no way to assess that St. Juste will experience any more concussion risk going forward than any other CB. One concussion (it was one) doesn't make for a trend.

I mean if we're talking Jordan Reed or Luke Keuchly and they've had a thousand of them then OK I get it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313801]I think the question with St. Juste is about his health. He was definitely on the upswing until he was riddle by his concussion (can't remember if it was one or two) and the issues he had following them. If he's healthy, then I think he could definitely become that 3rd CB.[/quote]

He was in concussion protocol 3 times his rookie year and it ended his season.

A lot to like about BSJ from a developing standpoint but the health is an issue. I wouldn’t mind bring Danny Johnson back to help man the nickel corner and add depth.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1313802]I have a hard time with concussion risk. I feel like that risk exists with every player, maybe in some position groups more than others. But as for which CBs carry more concussion risk than other CBs, I don't see how you can ever say. It seems random. I see no way to assess that St. Juste will experience any more concussion risk going forward than any other CB. One concussion (it was one) doesn't make for a trend.

I mean if we're talking Jordan Reed or Luke Keuchly and they've had a thousand of them then OK I get it.[/QUOTE]


“After having one concussion you are more likely to have another — some doctors estimate you increase your risk up to three times. There are two reasons why your risk increases: carelessness and brain chemistry. The first reason is the obvious: After you hit your head, you will be slower to react.”

There are also studies showing that genetic makeup can play a part.

So, based on my internet medical expertise it seems like BSJ is at greater risk than other players.

Also why do you say 1? I thought he was concussed three times? To me he is on a faster track than Reed was. Unfortunately too, because I think he has a lot of potential.

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[quote=Chico23231;1313803]He was in concussion protocol 3 times his rookie year and it ended his season.

A lot to like about BSJ from a developing standpoint but the health is an issue. I wouldn’t mind bring Danny Johnson back to help man the nickel corner and add depth.[/quote]

Did he enter protocol three times for the same concussion, or did he bang his head three times and got put in the protocol each successive time?

IDFK I can't keep up with all this concussion bullshit. I miss the days when you'd bang your head, wobble around, see stars, and get back in the huddle.

I didn't think it was three separate episodes but I don't know. Either way three times in protocol is concerning, you guys are right.

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[quote=Schneed10;1313835]Did he enter protocol three times for the same concussion, or did he bang his head three times and got put in the protocol each successive time?

IDFK I can't keep up with all this concussion bullshit. I miss the days when you'd bang your head, wobble around, see stars, and get back in the huddle.

I didn't think it was three separate episodes but I don't know. Either way three times in protocol is concerning, you guys are right.[/quote]

Think at least two.

My dad told me one time his good friend got crushed on a play and was being walked to the sideline, right to the head coach and asked If he had any ice cream. He was back in game after half time.

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John Keim
@john_keim
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Washington and swing OT Cornelius Lucas are progressing towards a deal. Optimism. Could be done today...If/when it becomes finalized, a key piece to Washington's OL depth would return. Has been a solid backup for the Commanders

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313852]John Keim
@john_keim
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48m
Washington and swing OT Cornelius Lucas are progressing towards a deal. Optimism. Could be done today...If/when it becomes finalized, a key piece to Washington's OL depth would return. Has been a solid backup for the Commanders[/quote]

Good news, another important cog for the team. Paid dividends last year.

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Lucas was our 3rd highest graded lineman last yr

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Lucas back on what Id assume a team friendly deal is good news. Hes an average player, a C+ player who is great to have as next man up.

Id guess Leno, Cosmi and Lucas all end up starting about that same amount of games by seasons end due to injuries. You need 8 guys who can play in this league on your OL bc youre going to start 8-9 different guys as the season wears on.

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[quote=SunnySide;1313860]Lucas back on what Id assume a team friendly deal is good news. Hes an average player, a C+ player who is great to have as next man up.

Id guess Leno, Cosmi and Lucas all end up starting about that same amount of games by seasons end due to injuries. [B]You need 8 guys who can play in this league on your OL bc youre going to start 8-9 different guys as the season wears on[/B].[/quote]

This certainly seems to be the case for us, but I'd be curious to see what is the actual stat around the league...

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[quote=SunnySide;1313860]Lucas back on what Id assume a team friendly deal is good news. Hes an average player, a C+ player who is great to have as next man up.

Id guess Leno, Cosmi and Lucas all end up starting about that same amount of games by seasons end due to injuries. You need 8 guys who can play in this league on your OL bc youre going to start 8-9 different guys as the season wears on.[/quote]

Yep, in today's pass heavy league you need 7-8 lineman on rotation. Our line was good last yr.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313852]John Keim
@john_keim
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Washington and swing OT Cornelius Lucas are progressing towards a deal. Optimism. Could be done today...If/when it becomes finalized, a key piece to Washington's OL depth would return. Has been a solid backup for the Commanders[/quote]Very good to hear. Would love to see them draft 2 young oline studs. Wentz will thrive with great pass protection.

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Signing Lucas would be an excellent move. He's perfect for us as a swing tackle. No learning curve. Plug and play.

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Swing tackle probably the most important reserve player on your roster aside from QB2.

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JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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Productive depth D-line during his stint in Carolina. Big - 6'6. Also, Commanthers.
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@Commanders
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We have signed DE @EfeObadaUK!

Welcome to the squad 🙌

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313948]JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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Productive depth D-line during his stint in Carolina. Big - 6'6. Also, Commanthers.
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Washington Commanders
@Commanders
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We have signed DE @EfeObadaUK!

Welcome to the squad 🙌[/quote]

Know nothing about him but interesting backstory. Turning 30 in a few weeks, no college ball, at 6'6" and 265 I dont think he can play the interior.

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Efe Obada has earned the trust of the Buffalo Bills’ coaching staff.

That was evident by the snap counts during the team’s 33-21 victory over the New England Patriots on Sunday at Gillette Stadium. Obada played 36 of the Bills’ 64 defensive snaps in the win. That was 59% of the defensive total, behind only defensive tackle Ed Oliver (43 snaps, 67%) in playing time along the defensive line.

[url]https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/efe-obada-trails-only-ed-oliver-in-defensive-line-snaps-for-bills-in-win-over/article_5fcc885e-6742-11ec-a52e-db329793b701.html[/url]

^^ This is after their Dec 27, 2021 game vs Pats so its pretty deep into the season.

Stats say he started 1 game last year w the Bills, I guess they HEAVILY rotate the front 4 .. which seems to becoming the cool new thing to do. DL by committee.

Id guess he competes with the plethora of DE guys we have.

At 6'6" and 265 im sure he will get moved in some if he makes the roster but a tall and not stout body wont do well in the trenches on run plays.

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[quote=SunnySide;1313954]Know nothing about him but interesting backstory. Turning 30 in a few weeks, no college ball, at 6'6" and 265 I dont think he can play the interior.

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Efe Obada has earned the trust of the Buffalo Bills’ coaching staff.

That was evident by the snap counts during the team’s 33-21 victory over the New England Patriots on Sunday at Gillette Stadium. Obada played 36 of the Bills’ 64 defensive snaps in the win. That was 59% of the defensive total, behind only defensive tackle Ed Oliver (43 snaps, 67%) in playing time along the defensive line.

[url]https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/efe-obada-trails-only-ed-oliver-in-defensive-line-snaps-for-bills-in-win-over/article_5fcc885e-6742-11ec-a52e-db329793b701.html[/url]

^^ This is after their Dec 27, 2021 game vs Pats so its pretty deep into the season.

Stats say he started 1 game last year w the Bills, I guess they HEAVILY rotate the front 4 .. which seems to becoming the cool new thing to do. DL by committee.

Id guess he competes with the plethora of DE guys we have.

At 6'6" and 265 im sure he will get moved in some if he makes the roster but a tall and not stout body wont do well in the trenches on run plays.[/quote]

Definitely not an interior guy, he's a DE. We have James Smith Williams but you have to run 4 deep at that position, especially with Chase coming back from an ACL.

Doubt this is for more than $1.0M or so. $2.0M at absolute max. Depth signing only. Probably competes with Shaka Toney and William Bradley King. Probably beats them both because they didn't add much for us. Competition.

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@NickiJhabvala
The Washington Commanders announced they re-signed CB Danny Johnson.

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Looks like the rich are getting richer:

@RapSheet
The #Rams are loading up again? Sources say six-time All-Pro LB Bobby Wagner is visiting them and there is mutual interest in doing a deal. A potential huge defensive addition.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313975]Looks like the rich are getting richer:

@RapSheet
The #Rams are loading up again? Sources say six-time All-Pro LB Bobby Wagner is visiting them and there is mutual interest in doing a deal. A potential huge defensive addition.[/quote]

Wow.. McVay sure did wonders with the team...

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Shows what we know, in Buffalo Obada was moved down to DT in a lot of obvious pass rushing situations. Did some damage from there too. Good looking player.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313974]@NickiJhabvala
The Washington Commanders announced they re-signed CB Danny Johnson.[/quote]

I’d don’t know is Danny is the answer in the slot, but he held own pretty well there second half of season. Good depth, get some teams play

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313975]Looks like the rich are getting richer:

@RapSheet
The #Rams are loading up again? Sources say six-time All-Pro LB Bobby Wagner is visiting them and there is mutual interest in doing a deal. A potential huge defensive addition.[/quote]

These mutherfuckers…fuck