Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=punch it in;1268753]Im certainly no cap expert but [B]Snyder will find a way[/B] to pay say Stafford or Rivers if he thinks we can seriously contend for a title next year. We have a few key guys injured coming back. We have the draft. I dont know how much of a splash in free agency we would need to make. Also RR will have a full pre season and a lot of our young guys are only going to get better.
That being said Im all for what Mooby alluded to which is trading down and giving up 2022’s first for a guy like Zach Wilson and then you can spend in free agency.
Problem is FA starts March so if all the vets get signed and we cant trade down in April well.....[/quote]

Yeah, the last thing I want is for Snyder to find his way into any of this. He can write the checks for the guys that do, but that's about it for me.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268754]So what I meant by that is, if WFT can trade their 2020 2nd round pick and their 2021 2nd round pick to move back into the back end of the 1st round and find their QB of the future, I'd be just fine with that. I would not be fine with including the 2021 1st round pick.[/quote]

I think you're getting your timeline mixed up. The next draft is in 2021.

So we can move 2021 picks, but future draft picks from the draft after that would be 2022.

If our first rounder after this season is in the 20's, I would give up our second rounder this year to move up into the 10-20 range if the guy we want is on the board. But I wouldn't leave our 2022 first rounder off the table if Ron was all-in on the guy.

Edit: Punch, can we seriously go without the Snyder interference talk? We all know his history and we all know he was probably the mastermind behind the Haskins pick, but in the last year the only thing we know for sure is that he sold Rivera on a coach-centric approach (i.e. Snyder signs the checks). Until we hear that Danny is trying to run the football ops again I think we should trust that Rivera is in control.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=mooby;1268759]I think you're getting your timeline mixed up. The next draft is in 2021.

So we can move 2021 picks, but future draft picks from the draft after that would be 2022.

If our first rounder after this season is in the 20's, I would give up our second rounder this year to move up into the 10-20 range if the guy we want is on the board. But I wouldn't leave our 2022 first rounder off the table if Ron was all-in on the guy.

Edit: Punch, can we seriously go without the Snyder interference talk? We all know his history and we all know he was probably the mastermind behind the Haskins pick, but in the last year the only thing we know for sure is that he sold Rivera on a coach-centric approach (i.e. Snyder signs the checks). Until we hear that Danny is trying to run the football ops again I think we should trust that Rivera is in control.[/quote]

Yeah Mooby you're right. I meant if WFT can trade their 2021 2nd round pick and their 2022 2nd round pick to move back into the back end of the 1st round and find their QB of the future, I'd be just fine with that. I would not be fine with including the 2021 1st round pick though.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Allen Robinson is criminally underrated. If we make a big move I'd like it to be on him. Or Kenny Golladay. WR is hard to draft (unless you're Pittsburgh). We happened to strike gold with McLaurin. But he is the exception, not the rule.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=punch it in;1268667]Completely my point as opposed to a project quarterback that could take 3-4 years to fully come of age. Has to be a vet that can win now and for 3-4 years out there. Once we winning then go get a quarterback in the draft. Then you got your master mentor situation. Alex just isn’t good enough anymore. Obviously hitting a gem in the later rounds now would be awesome.[/quote]

Trade for Stafford and sign Robinson or Golladay? That puts us is the SB contention category immediately. Will cost money. But sometimes you gotta go for it. Especially us who have been dregs for so long.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268763]Yeah Mooby you're right. I meant if WFT can trade their 2021 2nd round pick and their 2022 2nd round pick to move back into the back end of the 1st round and find their QB of the future, I'd be just fine with that. I would not be fine with including the 2021 1st round pick though.[/quote]

I gotcha. That would be my first choice too, but I'm not taking the 2022 first rounder off the table.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1268757]Yeah, the last thing I want is for Snyder to find his way into any of this. He can write the checks for the guys that do, but that's about it for me.[/QUOTE]



Lol. Simply a money thing in this case. Not a draft this particular guy at any cost thing which is when things go bad. Ala RG-3 and DH.

Wft quarterback of the future
 

In the third round with our two picks id be good with a few quarterbacks...
Namely Desmond Ridder of Cincy if he is there. Also Jamie Neuman of Georgia or Mac Jones.
Pick up an o lineman, a cb , and a safety, mlb, or tight end to pair with Logan before that and I would be very happy.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=punch it in;1268786]In the third round with our two picks id be good with a few quarterbacks...
Namely Desmond Ridder of Cincy if he is there. Also Jamie Neuman of Georgia or Mac Jones.
Pick up an o lineman, a cb , and a safety, mlb, or tight end to pair with Logan before that and I would be very happy.[/quote]

I don't think there is any chance Mac Jones will be available in the third round.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[QUOTE=Number44;1268795]I don't think there is any chance Mac Jones will be available in the third round.[/QUOTE]



Yeah that may be a stretch...

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Teams ahead of us with QB needs:


Jets - YES
Jaguars - YES
Panthers - YES
Falcons - Maybe
Lions - YES per reports that they are looking to move Stafford
49ers - Maybe
Broncos - Prob not
Bears - YES
Patriots - Prob so

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1268805]Teams ahead of us with QB needs:


Jets - YES
Jaguars - YES
Panthers - YES
Falcons - Maybe
Lions - YES per reports that they are looking to move Stafford
49ers - Maybe
Broncos - Prob not
Bears - YES
Patriots - Prob so[/quote]

At this point, we won't have an opportunity to draft top 3-4 QBs in the draft unless we trade up. It's going to be Smith, Allen, rookie QB or Haskins next year. I'm having hard time believing that we would sign a QB replacement through FA.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=GridIron26;1268807]At this point, we won't have an opportunity to draft top 3-4 QBs in the draft unless we trade up. It's going to be Smith, Allen, rookie QB or Haskins next year. I'm having hard time believing that we would sign a QB replacement through FA.[/quote]

I wouldn't rule out Stafford or Ryan if they come available

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1268805]Teams ahead of us with QB needs:


Jets - YES
Jaguars - YES
Panthers - YES
Falcons - Maybe
Lions - YES per reports that they are looking to move Stafford
49ers - Maybe
Broncos - Prob not
Bears - YES
Patriots - Prob so[/quote]

Which is why, for the right price, I wouldn't be averse to a Stafford trade. While I doubt there will be 7 or 8 QB's gone before we pick, it's getting likelier all the good-excellent prospects will be gone. At least with Stafford you'd know what you were getting, and he hasn't really been teamed up with a top notch D to date.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1268805]Teams ahead of us with QB needs:


Jets - YES
Jaguars - YES
Panthers - YES
Falcons - Maybe
Lions - YES per reports that they are looking to move Stafford
49ers - Maybe
Broncos - Prob not
Bears - YES
Patriots - Prob so[/quote]

If a window is opening and you have a chance to get an established QB like Stafford...then no question you get Stafford.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1268808]I wouldn't rule out Stafford or Ryan if they come available[/quote]

If either is available you have to make a big push, and the good thing is we're suddenly going to be a very desirable place to come to.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=MTK;1268811]If either is available you have to make a big push, and the good thing is we're suddenly going to be a very desirable place to come to.[/quote]

Yep with tons of $ to spend. You could grab Stafford and Marvin Jones TBH

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

First of all, I give it a 50-50 chance Snyder will be forced to sell the team. The NFL is quiet now, but when the season is over and not so much in the news, there is a good chance the other owners will cast him out. More sexist charges will come out that we don’t know about now. Some ppl say, “all the teams have done this”. Wrong - they haven’t even been charged with anything like this, much less proved it. Snyder claims to be the Redskin’s ultimate fan, but he has brought nothing but high prices, a rundown stadium, many, many losses, the erosion of a once-huge fan base, and finally, disgrace and shame on a storied and outstanding franchise. Only when Snyder was FORCED to remove himself TOTALLY from the team’s management and personnel decisions has the team been able to improve. Only owners like Jerry Jones, who know how bad Snyder has been for his NFC East competitor, still support him - at least publicly. So Snyder may be gone.

Second, the team can’t wait until 2022 to try to draft a premiere QB. Some may say Rivera/Kyle Smith will try to get a FA QB. But they have really STAYED AWAY from FA, even when they were in positions of dire need. For instance, they picked up No TE’s, except Logan Thomas - even when they had nothing after Reed left. I don’t see them changing next year.

The WFT will try to build the team via draft picks, UDFA and a FEW FA. They will spend their huge cap savings to keep Scherff, Allen, Payne on the team. So, in my opinion, the WFT will keep Smith for one more season and DRAFT the best draft pick available, versus getting an older FA QB.

The question is: what QB will be there in the draft for the WFT?? . Not much if they don’t TRADE UP. By trading their first and second round picks they can get in a good position for a premiere QB. They DON’T have to get the #1 pick in the draft. They just have to trade up to get the QB they want. That’s what they will do. I trust Rivera and Kyle Smith to get the best QB out of the draft. Kyle Smith has proved himself to getting QUALITY STARTERS from the dregs of the draft - sixth and seventh round picks and even UDFA. Most teams are happy to get a Special Team starter from picks that low. Smith has been a MASTER, at finding rookie starters that have been passed over by every other team- multiple times! He and Rivera will lock into their future QB and then trade up to get him. Alex Smith will be the mentor for the new QB - just like he did for Mahommes.


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I heard from tinfoil tommy says the NFL is guiding the WFT to the NFC East title to make the team more desirable to potential buyers.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1268822]I heard from tinfoil tommy says the NFL is guiding the WFT to the NFC East title to make the team more desirable to potential buyers.[/quote]

LOL. Sure, that's why we get all the bad spots and bogus penalty calls and non-calls in our favor! Tin foil is right. LOL

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

I hope the league makes us even more desirable by winning the SB

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1268813]Yep with tons of $ to spend. You could grab Stafford and Marvin Jones TBH[/quote]

So who is the cap expert here? Just how much $ does this team have to spend - compared to other teams? Because I thought Dallas would be in salary cap hell based on all the lucrative contracts they have put together over the past year or so, but they look to have more space than WFT on the site I was looking at...spotrac I think.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Hit the tab for 2021

[url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/[/url]

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

If Stafford becomes available, which at this point it is not entirely clear that will even happen, and they can figure out a way to get him and not jeopardize the integrity of the rest of the roster due to how much $$ will be tied up in the QB position, then great. I'm not sure it can be done, so I'm not really a fan of that move, but that's not my job so we'll see.


This would be my plan of action if I were in charge - which clearly I am not...

Resign these soon to be free agents:
C Sims
B Scherff
C Roullier
N Sundberg
KPL
R Darby
J Reaves


Free agent targets:
A Villanueva
Corey Davis
Trey Burton
Neville Hewitt
Daniel Carlson


Draft a QB - wherever it makes sense, even if you have to move up/trade a pick or two to get your guy.

Draft BPA, hopefully finding some depth for:
OL
LB
DB
TE
RB
WR


Win it all!

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=MTK;1268828]Hit the tab for 2021

[url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/[/url][/quote]

Thank you.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268827]So who is the cap expert here? Just how much $ does this team have to spend - compared to other teams? Because I thought Dallas would be in salary cap hell based on all the lucrative contracts they have put together over the past year or so, but they look to have more space than WFT on the site I was looking at...spotrac I think.[/quote]

First thing before going crazy on spending is re-sign Scherff and Allen, have Smith and Collins reduce their salaries if possible. Don’t get crazy spending money cause we have more key FA’s the next year.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1268826]i hope the league makes us even more desirable by winning the sb[/quote]



lol

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1268832]First thing before going crazy on spending is re-sign Scherff and Allen, have Smith and Collins reduce their salaries if possible. Don’t get crazy spending money cause we have more key FA’s the next year.[/quote]

There would be no reason for Collins to agree to anything. We're most likely stuck with the huge number:

[url]https://overthecap.com/player/landon-collins/3881/[/url]

I'm a huge Scherff fan, but I'd much rather use that money to keep as much of our DLine than sink 14 mil per year into a guard.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1268844]There would be no reason for Collins to agree to anything. We're most likely stuck with the huge number:

[url]https://overthecap.com/player/landon-collins/3881/[/url]

I'm a huge Scherff fan, but I'd much rather use that money to keep as much of our DLine than sink 14 mil per year into a guard.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of keeping both, Scherff is playing great and is our best OL pay him.

[url]https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1338511208996073475?s=21[/url]

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

If Scherff can stay healthy from now on, he's perennial PB material. Have to be daft to not want to keep him as the anchor of the OL. But yes, that contract needs to be more cap friendly than Collins behemoth.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Nobody wants to see him leave. He is a top OG. He has missed games in 4 out of the last 4 years. He is also 30, a little older than the normal player coming off a rookie contract. (Tag is a factor).

The question is how much are you willing to pay to keep him.

At what AAV would you let him walk?

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Scherff is 28, soon to be 29 on 12/26.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=MTK;1268854]Scherff is 28, soon to be 29 on 12/26.[/quote]

You're right. My fault on the math.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1268853]Nobody wants to see him leave. He is a top OG. He has missed games in 4 out of the last 4 years. He is also 30, a little older than the normal player coming off a rookie contract. (Tag is a factor).

The question is how much are you willing to pay to keep him.

At what AAV would you let him walk?[/quote]

13 AAV. I wouldnt do more than something like 4 years/52M/22M guaranteed. I think this is below what we already offered him. Currently hes making 15 M on the tag and is the highest paid guard. I like him but hes an aging guard. NEVER DRAFT A FUCKING GUARD IN THE TOP 10. Guard position is one of the easiest to fill imo.

Perhaps consider the transition tag and we could match any offer. If no teams offer, then he is ours for another year but lower than the fran tag number.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Talk about cap hell - the Eagles are MINUS $69 mill (31 out of 32) and we are PLUS $47 mill to be used toward FA and to keep some of the top players on the team, instead of the steady talent drain that we’ve seen for two decades.

Keep Allen, Scherff. Dump Collins. Keep Alex Smith for one more season as the mentor / backup QB.

I just saw an article basically saying the team should go for a veteran QB like Stafford or Newton. Why? Rivera and Kyle Smith have worked to make this a young squad, with very cheap rookie and UDFA contracts. Why hire an older player like Stafford who will cost $30 mill a year?

The top three draft picks will go for:

QB
FS
WR or OL

I think the FA will be for keeping our best DL or OL players. We can also use some decent money for a top-end WR to take the pressure off McLaurin. Teams will double-team McLaurin until we have a really good WR #2. I think Cam Sims will continue to see more action and he’s really looking good - maybe as the starting Slot WR. I’d like to see what Wright has to offer, instead of Steve Sims, Jr - who drops at least one pass every game.

QB in the draft is the answer. I have NO Doubt that Kyle Smith can find a very good QB in the draft, but seeing 4-6 QB go to other teams first, really bleeds off the best talent. This is the time to make a trade to get into the top 3-4 QB picks. We don’t have to get the #1 or #2 QB in the 2021 draft. Kyle Smith can find us a franchise QB if we move up 5-10 spots in the draft.

I hate to say this, because I was a Haskins fan at the start of the season, but we can’t win with him at QB. Not unless the defense has amazing games like the last one. If he is the QB for the last games, we’ll probably lose them.

But it’s a Win/Win with Haskins at QB. If he plays poorly, we move up in the draft because we’ll lose games . If he plays average, his value with go up for a trade. If he plays “lights out” (which he won’t) then he will be the answer next year!

Getting the draft right at QB next year, will foretell the next five years of the Rivera era. I have no doubt that Rivera/Smith can get it right, as long as Snyder doesn’t interfere! They may just have to trade up some (5-10) moves up to get the elite and franchise QB to move this offense into the top 10. Trading our second round pick is a small price to pay for a dozen years of excellence at QB!


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