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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1251289]If we wanted a TE that bad we would have addressed it somewhere in the draft.[/QUOTE]


I have a new theory, see my post above, which wasn’t finished. I may be wrong, but we’ll see in the next months.


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Absolutely love AGG, we have a potential future great one here. Love the fact that he loves Larry Fitzgerald who is a class act.

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[quote=Warthog;1251288] Rivera is hinting that they look at this year as being a wash. Too many holes to fill. [/quote]

This is the only part I kind of disagree with. Only because Rivera was quoted right after signing saying that he though he had enough talent on the roster to win now.
I domt have the link for reference, but it was a keim article on espn.com. I think that's why they didnt make a huge splash. I agree with everything else you said there, though. A few stop gaps that can produce after cuts may well be exactly what hes looking for feeling we are closer than our record indicated.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1251378]This is the only part I kind of disagree with. Only because Rivera was quoted right after signing saying that he though he had enough talent on the roster to win now.
I domt have the link for reference, but it was a keim article on espn.com. I think that's why they didnt make a huge splash. I agree with everything else you said there, though. A few stop gaps that can produce after cuts may well be exactly what hes looking for feeling we are closer than our record indicated.[/quote]


We could be better than our record indicates.

A very good defense will keep you in every game. And with JDR (and RR) with the talent we've amassed on that line, you'd expect they'd see some real potential there.

If we have any progress on O with DH ... who knows what could happen.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1251385]We could be better than our record indicates.

A very good defense will keep you in every game. And with JDR (and RR) with the talent we've amassed on that line, you'd expect they'd see some real potential there.

If we have any progress on O with DH ... who knows what could happen.[/quote]

I’ve been saying playoffs and I’ll stick to it, this team is better than people think.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1251389]I’ve been saying playoffs and I’ll stick to it, this team is better than people think.[/quote]

And it's not like the Giants, Iggles, or Cowuhboys (as Jerry Jones calls them) are the Chiefs.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1251406]And it's not like the Giants, Iggles, or Cowuhboys (as Jerry Jones calls them) are the Chiefs.[/quote]

But Jerry, and all the sports media personalities on his payroll, think they are! A Patrick Maholmes, Dak Prescott is not.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1251407]But Jerry, and all the sports media personalities on his payroll, think they are! [B]A Patrick Maholmes, Dak Prescott is not.[/B][/quote]

True, but he has a lot of talent around him and he can play. The real question in this case is whether or not Dak is the right choice to lead the Cowboys to another championship. We already know he is going to be overpaid. That's the way it is in today's NFL.

As for the Cowboys team, there has been a sea change in Dallas. Now the Dallas offense is a freakin' monster but he defense is suspect, IMO. To beat them, teams are going to need a strong defense and then they will still need to put up a lot of points to beat the Cowboys.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251418]True, but he has a lot of talent around him and he can play. The real question in this case is whether or not Dak is the right choice to lead the Cowboys to another championship. We already know he is going to be overpaid. That's the way it is in today's NFL.

As for the Cowboys team, there has been a sea change in Dallas. Now the Dallas offense is a freakin' monster but he defense is suspect, IMO. [B]To beat them, teams are going to need a strong defense and then they will still need to put up a lot of points to beat the Cowboys.[/B][/quote]

Or run alot against them to prevent the Cowboys offense from being on the field too much.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1251385]We could be better than our record indicates.

A very good defense will keep you in every game. And with JDR (and RR) with the talent we've amassed on that line, you'd expect they'd see some real potential there.

If we have any progress on O with DH ... who knows what could happen.[/quote]

We'll see. We say this stuff every year with this defense. We were all hyped about Sweat last year. And every year they suck. Last time I saw this defense they gave up almost 50 to the Cowboys.

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Just finished Gibson tape this morning.. Man he's a PLAYMAKER!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1251422]We'll see. We say this stuff every year with this defense. We were all hyped about Sweat last year. And every year they suck. Last time I saw this defense they gave up almost 50 to the Cowboys.[/quote]

B-o-o-o! Can you at least let the rest of us have some unfounded optimism for a while? It's that time of year. We know the team history as well as you do but we just would like some feel good day-dreaming time.

Besides, even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, one of these seasons we're bound to be right.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1251424]Just finished Gibson tape this morning.. Man he's a PLAYMAKER!![/quote]

Good value for 3rd round pick?

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1251378]This is the only part I kind of disagree with. Only because Rivera was quoted right after signing saying that he though he had enough talent on the roster to win now.
I domt have the link for reference, but it was a keim article on espn.com. I think that's why they didnt make a huge splash. I agree with everything else you said there, though. A few stop gaps that can produce after cuts may well be exactly what hes looking for feeling we are closer than our record indicated.[/quote]

Under promise and over deliver. A great concept for keeping your job. Not practiced much by Redskins staff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1251422]We'll see. We say this stuff every year with this defense. We were all hyped about Sweat last year. And every year they suck. Last time I saw this defense they gave up almost 50 to the Cowboys.[/quote]


You didn't see this defense last year.

This defense is led by Jack Del Rio and Ron Rivera. That is a gigantic difference.


And their track record is reason enough for optimism. Combined with the talent we've gathered.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251426]B-o-o-o! Can you at least let the rest of us have some unfounded optimism for a while? It's that time of year. We know the team history as well as you do but we just would like some feel good day-dreaming time.

Besides, even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, one of these seasons we're bound to be right.[/quote]

Well said, let us dream and imagine.

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[quote=GridIron26;1251429]Good value for 3rd round pick?[/quote]

Absolutely, he's got great size and speed. Catches in traffic and is a stud in the slot.

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Hopefully he's a more durable Chris Thompson basically

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1251443]Absolutely, he's got great size and speed. Catches in traffic and is a stud in the slot.[/quote]

I did wonder if we could have gotten him a little later than 3rd round because of Gibson's limited experiences, but I guess he showed enough to convince Redskins (and you).

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This may have already been mentioned, but the new CBA is clutch for Saadiq Charles's prospects. Dude likes weed, and the new CBA removes weed from the banned substances list. That will no longer count towards drug violation suspensions.

I think his infractions at LSU largely centered around weed, thus Rivera and Kyle's comfort with drafting him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1251556]This may have already been mentioned, but the new CBA is clutch for Saadiq Charles's prospects. Dude likes weed, and the new CBA removes weed from the banned substances list. That will no longer count towards drug violation suspensions.

I think his infractions at LSU largely centered around weed, thus Rivera and Kyle's comfort with drafting him.[/quote]

So we're sort of replacing our pot-smoking future HoF'er LT with a rookie pot-smoking LT. :Smoker:

And I know I know, Charles is not literally replacing Trent. Just making a bad joke. :)

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[quote=Schneed10;1251556]This may have already been mentioned, but the new CBA is clutch for Saadiq Charles's prospects. Dude likes weed, and the new CBA removes weed from the banned substances list. That will no longer count towards drug violation suspensions.

I think his infractions at LSU largely centered around weed, thus Rivera and Kyle's comfort with drafting him.[/quote]

I hope you're right, because I'm a firm believer the massive majority of athletes in any contact sport prefer weed to pills.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1251389]I’ve been saying playoffs and I’ll stick to it, this team is better than people think.[/quote]

I'm not sure about the "playoffs" scenario, but I do think this team will be better than many think.

The team last season, IMO, had tanked it early. I recall speaking with a Dolphins fan after we beat 'em and he was saying (paraphrased), "We ('Fins fans, fans of the NFL and people around the league) all know the Dolphins are tanking.... What's the Redskins' problem?"

I replied confidently by saying, "Just because it's not being mentioned by anyone doesn't mean it's not happening. But the Redskins, IMO, are also tanking. I've watched enough games to know better and my eyes rarely ever tell lies."

In the end, the Dolphins were trying to win, but I truly believe we were tanking it last season. If not early in the season; it sure as hell looked like it was happening near the midway point of last season.

I'd sure as heck would love to be in the playoffs, but I'm gonna hold off on such talk. But I'm in agreement with you in that this team will be better than last season's team. I'm not talking about one, two or even three games better. I'm referring to several games better. I'll go with 7 or 8 wins for now.

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I want to watch a Charles vs. Williams bong rip challenge!!

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What I like most about this roster right now is there are only five players (Kerrigan, Sundberg, A. Smith, A. Peterson & Davis Sr) who are over 30, and there are 49 players who are 25 and younger.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1251671]What I like most about this roster right now is there are only five players (Kerrigan, Sundberg, A. Smith, A. Peterson & Davis Sr) who are over 30, and there are 49 players who are 25 and younger.[/quote]

We talking about Vernon Davis? His contract is up, he's gone.

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[quote=mooby;1251677]We talking about Vernon Davis? His contract is up, he's gone.[/quote]

I think Anthony Davis, new linebacker came over from the Panthers.

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Thomas Davis, Sr.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251682]Thomas Davis, Sr.[/quote]

That's the one.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1251684]That's the one.[/quote]

I forgot about him, thanks for clarifying.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1251389]I’ve been saying playoffs and I’ll stick to it, this team is better than people think.[/QUOTE]



I dont know man, that is a loaded stance with so many variables. Is Haskins the guy? Will Guice stay healthy? Will McClaurin take a step back? Who is our Tight end? Is our O line capable? Is our secondary capable? Is Payne gonna bounce back? Is our mlb group decent? That is a whole lotta ifs. Id say we need at least 4-5 of those 8 questions do be a definitive yes for us to even sniff the playoffs. Namely Haskins and the O line. If those two areas crumble we are screwed.

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[quote=punch it in;1251700]I dont know man, that is a loaded stance with so many variables.

Is Haskins the guy? [B]YES[/B]

Will Guice stay healthy? [B]NO, but Antonio Gibson will.[/B]

Will McClaurin take a step back? [B]NO, he'll be even better.[/B]

Who is our Tight end? [B]I don't know but he might be on the team already because ST's offense uses the TE in creative ways.[/B]

Is our O line capable? [B]Not yet but we'll add a vet LT and Charles will start his career at RT, leaving only LG as a question.[/B]

Is our secondary capable? [B]I think it can be.[/B]

Is Payne gonna bounce back? [B]He'll be fine. The new system suits him well.[/B]

Is our mlb group decent? [B]You got me on that one.[/B]

That is a whole lotta ifs. Id say we need at least 4-5 of those 8 questions do be a definitive yes for us to even sniff the playoffs. Namely Haskins and the O line. If those two areas crumble we are screwed.[/quote]

Bottom line, I think we'll be better. How much better? I have no idea but I can't envision us making the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1251703]Bottom line, I think we'll be better. How much better? I have no idea but I can't envision us making the playoffs.[/QUOTE]



I think we will be better too. But 4-12 is better lol. Not a high bar there. If all those questions pan out in a positive way, and injuries aren’t a huge issue again than we make the playoffs. I could also see us with a top 5 pick again next year. Guess that’s why they play the game...we hope [emoji1696]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251703]Bottom line, I think we'll be better. How much better? I have no idea but I can't envision us making the playoffs.[/quote]

The only way this team makes the playoffs is if the NFC is garbage and I just don't see that happening. I think the team will be better than 2019 of course but I'd say 6-7 wins is about right

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251703]Bottom line, I think we'll be better. How much better? I have no idea but I can't envision us making the playoffs.[/quote]

I'm with you on most answers.
If we do sign a stop gap vet LT à la Donald Penn, I'm fine with our line. Wes Martin at LG looks good to me.

Not sold on TE but I think it's one position you can do one season with a subpar TE group.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1251720]I'm with you on most answers.

If we do sign a stop gap vet LT à la Donald Penn, I'm fine with our line. Wes Martin at LG looks good to me.



Not sold on TE but I think it's one position you can do one season with a subpar TE group.[/QUOTE]



Although if you have a quarterback who isn’t quite there yet, a sub par line, and say a rb that is oft injured TE becomes ultra important.
He can become not only key in blocking schemes but a safety valve for a quarterback who is under duress.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1251709]The only way this team makes the playoffs is if the NFC is garbage and I just don't see that happening. I think the team will be better than 2019 of course but I'd say 6-7 wins is about right[/quote]

I look at our best chances as being the NFC East champs. The 4 teams all play the NFC West and the AFC North. For all 4 teams that is at best a 4-4 split, No NFC East team is beating more than 1 of the following: SF, Balt, Arizona, Seattle, Pittsburgh.

You factor in our odd two - Detroit and Carolina
vs, GB/NO, Atl/Minn, Chi/TB
and with any reasonable improvement, we come out ahead on those two games.

So you are left with the 6 division games.
Philly week 1 is awful but then we get giants, dallas, bye giants.

That will be the critical stretch for division chances.

Bottom line for me is that we need to see a lot of growth against the division opponents this year, and I expect RR to do that.

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[quote=punch it in;1251735]Although if you have a quarterback who isn’t quite there yet, a sub par line, and say a rb that is oft injured TE becomes ultra important.
He can become not only key in blocking schemes but a safety valve for a quarterback who is under duress.[/quote]

TE definitely is a crucial position and we saw how having mediocre blocking TEs hurt our running game.
But to me there's still a difference between important positions, and positions where a bad level of play just kills your ability to build anything.
OL in general and LT in particular are of the latest.

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[quote=punch it in;1251700]I dont know man, that is a loaded stance with so many variables. Is Haskins the guy? Will Guice stay healthy? Will McClaurin take a step back? Who is our Tight end? Is our O line capable? Is our secondary capable? Is Payne gonna bounce back? Is our mlb group decent? That is a whole lotta ifs. Id say we need at least 4-5 of those 8 questions do be a definitive yes for us to even sniff the playoffs. Namely Haskins and the O line. If those two areas crumble we are screwed.[/quote]

Just watch, TE is adequate not great, I’m sure Gibson and AGG will be incorporated somehow. OT’s are my question mark, will be better than last year, I’m very confident in our running and receiving game. This team will surprise most, not me. Playoffs!!

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If we win 9 games RR is candidate for Coach of year ... I can see 6 wins though ! I admire you guys that have the faith that we will make playoffs !! I just don’t get my hopes up anymore .. the whole vinny , bruce , cousins saga, snyder , Trent and the list goes on.... I will say this is the best coach staff we gave had in a while ..that gives me hope! HTTR!!