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Big shout out to the NFL and all the people involved. This thing is humming along smoothly. The things we're complaining about are about things we'd complain about in a normal draft. Mostly about an individual or too many hands in the cookie jar. But job well done to the people behind the scenes. America is fucking awesome.

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Jordan Reid had him rated as a RB

[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jordan-reid-s-2020-nfl-draft-top-10-running-backs[/url]

He also said this:

5 Players I’ll Be Higher On Than Most:

• Cam Akers
• Jabari Zuniga
• Noah Igbinoghene
• Darrell Taylor
• Antonio Gibson

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[quote=SkinzWin;1250548]Scouting report on him I read said he’s faster than his tape looks.[/quote]

That's definitely better than the opposite.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1250550]Jordan Reid had him rated as a RB

[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jordan-reid-s-2020-nfl-draft-top-10-running-backs[/url]

He also said this:

5 Players I’ll Be Higher On Than Most:

• Cam Akers
• Jabari Zuniga
• Noah Igbinoghene
• Darrell Taylor
• Antonio Gibson[/quote]


Because he was listed as a RB on their chart but 90% of his snaps were WR

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Vision: Ran almost exclusively one concept (power) at the college level and almost invariably from a split back shotgun alignment. Ability to run with pace to set up pullers is evident on film, but can be too urgent pushing into gaps and trying to get into space, which leads to collisions. Projects positively to zone flow from a physical perspective but vision and processing speed thereof are yet untested. Tremendous open-field athlete with elite returner vision who anticipates and discovers cuts with natural flow.

Burst: Has the gas. Ability to get to top speed in a few steps is evident on all of his explosive plays. Regularly breaks angles from closing defenders and cannot be tackled in pursuit by even the fastest opponents. Can carry burst through open field redirects and angles from the backfield and quickly attacks vertical space as a runner to force defenders to settle their feet. Tremendous lower-half build.

Change of Direction: A slasher-type runner who prefers to make subtle cuts/redirections while operating at velocity instead of jitterbugging his way through the trash; a slalom skier. Dips hips and head fakes into euro-step/rocker step moves to elude defenders and force bad tackle attempts. A bit upright and doesn't love to run with knee bend or true hip sink. Top of routes are often rounded off and he requires multiple steps to gear down if he's got to take a tough angle.

Power: Can turn velocity into power and often carries tacklers with him through the second level. Has great mass for the position with good thickness in the lower half to generate explosive power through contact. With that said, doesn't run with good leverage and isn't a candidate for short-yardage roles given his questionable vision and decision-making at this stage.

Second-Level Speed: House call waiting to happen. Carries velocity extremely well on a straight line and wins on constraint plays/as a returner in large part due to his top speed breaking pursuit angles. Flexibility through the hips allows him to make soft redirects while still maintaining top speed, which helps on returns.

Contact Balance: Wide base and strong lower half help him bounce through and carry contact with ease. Regularly shucks smaller defensive backs who try to come high on his frame and can win through arm tackles in the first level and keep his legs churning. Will lower shoulders when he feels contact coming but has an upright running style which could lead to less success her at the next level. Keeps the off hand active and has some power.

Decision-Making: Generally unknown. Follows pullers religiously and benefitted from a ton of space in the Memphis offense, so following the pullers was generally a winning formula. Shows no interest in manipulating defenders behind blockers, but didn't really need to. Open-field vision and instincts are high quality and offer a positive projection for decision-making behind the line.

Pass Catching: Well, I mean, he was basically a wide receiver in college, so he's pretty good here for a running back! Proved to be an explosive threat from the slot and won on downfield routes against off coverage. Doesn't have sharp breaks as a downfield route runner and will round off routes which allows coverage to get back into his frame. From the backfield, has the entire route tree at his disposal and wins in one-on-one situations in the open field. Quality candidate for BUS routes, wheel routes, option routes, and swings.

Pass Protection: He was never asked to do this at the college level -- not at all. Has a frame that would lend itself to success here, but that's all we know.



Round Grade: Incomplete

Best Trait: Pass Catching

Worst Trait: Pass Protecting

Pro Comparison: Kalen Ballage (but not bad)



Summary: Antonio Gibson is a fascinating NFL Draft projection with a wide range of outcomes in the NFL. A RB/WR hybrid player in a crowded Memphis backfield, Gibson took the majority of his snaps at WR across his two seasons at Memphis after rising up through the JUCO ranks. Gibson projects to RB at the NFL level given his smooth change of direction, quality contact balance, and explosive cuts in the open field, but his narrow frame of reference for blocking schemes at this stage make that position a multi-year projection. Gibson will first contribute as a returner and third-down back, and his WR background will benefit teams willing to feature him a pass-catching back on routes split out wide and from the backfield. A walking explosive play, Gibson has homerun hitting ability and an extremely high ceiling if his promising vision and feel continue to grow, and should be viewed as a potential starter by Year 3. He deserves back-end of Day 2 consideration

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1250546]Thought it was funny that he's just printing those cards at home. They look the exact same as if it wasn't virtual.[/quote]


Doesn't Goodell normally pawn off 2nd and 3rd rounds to some other NFL Executive??

I guess this year he may have to do all the rounds.

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Gibson is a playmaker with size and great speed. What's not to like? He'll be taking it to the house in B&G! I don't expect the Redskins execs to pick the players I would pick because we need them to be a lot smarter than we are if we're going to win soon.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1250562]Doesn't Goodell normally pawn off 2nd and 3rd rounds to some other NFL Executive??

I guess this year he may have to do all the rounds.[/quote]

later rds

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Dallas chooses Neville Gallimore ... DT Oklahoma.

Biggest pussy in the draft.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1250564]Gibson is a playmaker with size and great speed. What's not to like? He'll be taking it to the house in B&G! [B]I don't expect the Redskins execs to pick the players I would pick because we need them to be a lot smarter than we are if we're going to win soon.[/B][/quote]

This.

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Gruden looking to get real explosive. Interesting draft. I like the Edward's pick.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1250568]Dallas chooses Neville Gallimore ... DT Oklahoma.

Biggest pussy in the draft.[/quote]

Hey now

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1250579]Hey now[/quote]


Only because of his misfortune in who drafted him ..... Something mysterious happens when the sign of the pentagram is emblazoned on these youngsters. :D

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LOL I hear that

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Juste noticed there has only been 1 TE drafter so far, so hoping we get a nice prospect in the 4Th isn't far fetched!

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Y'all see the view from McVay's back patio? Living the fucking dream.

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McVay's got nothing on Kliff Kingsbury.

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Damn, I liked Asiasi.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1250595]Damn, I liked Asiasi.[/quote]


You must have a good eye. I was thinking he'd last.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1250596]You must have a good eye. I was thinking he'd last.[/quote]

Him and Moss. I was kind of hoping for both.

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Trautman been Mel’s best available for awhile and several other TEs have gone off the board. What we doing if he’s there at the beginning of the 4th round?

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There goes Niang.

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I think our next pick will either be Harrison Bryant or Adam Trautman.

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There goes Trautman.

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Trautman just went ... Saints traded back into draft to snag him.

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I’ve wanted either of the Bryant tight ends. Hopefully we can land one tomorrow. Jeeze even Thaddeus moss for heavens sake.

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I love how the NFL Network and every channel it's being broadcasted on is pretending like the Pats are gonna be fine. Nah. Brady >> Stidham, but just by a tad lol.

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After reading this evaluation, this guy sound like he has huge potential and speed.

Albert Okwuegbunam*, TE, Missouri
Height: 6-5. Weight: 258. Hand: 10.25. Arm: 34.13.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2020): 3-5.
4/21/20: Okwuegbunam was one of the stars of the combine with an electric 40 time, but some teams have ruled him out because of his maturity and makeup. If Okwuegbunam did not have those concerns, he would be an early-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft and probably the top-rated tight end.


In 2019, Okwuegbunam caught 26 passes for 306 yards and six touchdowns. He is a mismatch weapon for the passing game, but his receiving production was hurt in 2019 by losing Drew Lock to the NFL and having Kelly Bryant replace Lock. Okwuegbunam's blocking looked somewhat improved year over year. Overall, his blocking is average for a receiving tight end. While Okwuegbunam is not a cowardly blocker like some receiving tight ends, Okwuegbunam lacks physicality and doesn't block to his size.

8/17/19: Okwuegbunam was one of the most dangerous mismatch weapons in college football during 2018, even though Missouri did not always utilize him. When the Tigers did use him, he produced big plays for them via his speed to get down the seam and his size to wall off defenders or make catches over them when they were able to keep him from getting separation. In 2018, he had 43 receptions for 466 yards with six touchdowns. He also missed the last four games with a shoulder injury. Some team sources said that Okwuegbunam is not a bad guy, but he is high maintenance for his coaches.

According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Okwuegbunam checks in at 6-foot-5, 260 pounds. He is said to run the 40 in a quick 4.70 seconds. His arms measure at 33.63 inches, his hands at 10 inches, and his wingspan at 80.75 inches.

Okwuegbunam was a dangerous red-zone weapon in 2017, hauling in 11 touchdowns from Drew Lock. Missouri opened up its offense with Lock in the back half of that season, using Okwuegbunam as one of is steady receiving threats. The redshirt freshman hauled in 29 receptions for 415 yards on the year.

Okwuegbunam could develop into a player with three-down starter consideration. Sources say that Okwuegbunam is impressive as he is big and athletic, runs fast, and catches the heck out of the ball. Scouts say that they've heard Okwuegbunam runs in the 4.5s and not the 4.70 that was listed on NFL teams' watch lists.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1250616]After reading this evaluation, this guy sound like he has huge potential and speed.

Albert Okwuegbunam*, TE, Missouri
Height: 6-5. Weight: 258. Hand: 10.25. Arm: 34.13.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2020): 3-5.
4/21/20: Okwuegbunam was one of the stars of the combine with an electric 40 time, but some teams have ruled him out because of his maturity and makeup. If Okwuegbunam did not have those concerns, he would be an early-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft and probably the top-rated tight end.


In 2019, Okwuegbunam caught 26 passes for 306 yards and six touchdowns. He is a mismatch weapon for the passing game, but his receiving production was hurt in 2019 by losing Drew Lock to the NFL and having Kelly Bryant replace Lock. Okwuegbunam's blocking looked somewhat improved year over year. Overall, his blocking is average for a receiving tight end. While Okwuegbunam is not a cowardly blocker like some receiving tight ends, Okwuegbunam lacks physicality and doesn't block to his size.

8/17/19: Okwuegbunam was one of the most dangerous mismatch weapons in college football during 2018, even though Missouri did not always utilize him. When the Tigers did use him, he produced big plays for them via his speed to get down the seam and his size to wall off defenders or make catches over them when they were able to keep him from getting separation. In 2018, he had 43 receptions for 466 yards with six touchdowns. He also missed the last four games with a shoulder injury. Some team sources said that Okwuegbunam is not a bad guy, but he is high maintenance for his coaches.

According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Okwuegbunam checks in at 6-foot-5, 260 pounds. He is said to run the 40 in a quick 4.70 seconds. His arms measure at 33.63 inches, his hands at 10 inches, and his wingspan at 80.75 inches.

Okwuegbunam was a dangerous red-zone weapon in 2017, hauling in 11 touchdowns from Drew Lock. Missouri opened up its offense with Lock in the back half of that season, using Okwuegbunam as one of is steady receiving threats. The redshirt freshman hauled in 29 receptions for 415 yards on the year.

Okwuegbunam could develop into a player with three-down starter consideration. Sources say that Okwuegbunam is impressive as he is big and athletic, runs fast, and catches the heck out of the ball. Scouts say that they've heard Okwuegbunam runs in the 4.5s and not the 4.70 that was listed on NFL teams' watch lists.[/quote]


He along with Harrison Bryant are my first choices at TE tomorrow. Albert O. Has George Kittle attributes, not saying he will be Kittle but his measurements remind me of that

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Or it could be this guy who from what I read could have been a 1st rounder, his lack of passion for the game is his problem. Maybe an attitude change is all he needs. [B]Prince Tega Wanogho[/B]

A little one on one practice vs Chase Young might help him move forward.

BOTTOM LINE

He’s going to get picked fairly high, and whoever takes him will be looking to improve upon a supremely physical and naturally talented prospect. His learning will come with time and experience, and the crash course he got in college will only expand in the NFL. I don’t know if he starts right away, but he should be getting plenty of opportunities and he’ll be a solid starter before too long. Maybe never a perennial Pro-Bowler, but he’s not going to let the quarterback get too dirty back there.

Round Value: 2nd Round

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What is not to like is that we needed a WR at that pick. Horrible pick for the third round where we needed a clear cut talented WR. As a 4th or 5th round pick, I would have no problem with Gibson. But in the third round that is way too early for him when we needed a legit WR not a hybrid.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1250532]Ok, I love Gibson a bigger McLaurin, physical and fast!!



[url]https://youtu.be/QKm9IkvBopI[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting the video!

I like Gibson and I actually like the pick!

Gibson kind of reminds me of a larger Brian Mitchell

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[quote=Ohioskins;1250620]What is not to like is that we needed a WR at that pick. Horrible pick for the third round where we needed a clear cut talented WR. As a 4th or 5th round pick, I would have no problem with Gibson. But in the third round that is way too early for him when we needed a legit WR not a hybrid.[/quote]

But it’s a system fit based on what Turner likes to utilize. I’m trusting in what Rivera/Turner/Kyle are doing. Kid did have 1000 from scrimmage last year.

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McClain_on_NFL. Texans had a deal with Detroit for the 90th pick but Lions backed out at last instant and Bill O’Brien was furious. You could tell by his reaction on TV. They selected OLB Jonathan Greenard with their pick.

O’Brien is such a douche canoe.

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Thought. With Gibson possibly filling the McCaffrey type role and having resigned AP then picked up 2 more RBs, I can't help thinking Guice and/or Love could be surplus.

Wonder what trade value we get, if any?