Re: Should we be drafting Tua???
 

[quote=rocnrik;1245973]What happens if bengals take Tua ... there would be a a mad rush to get burrow.. if that were to happen we could end up with 3 number one picks offered to us..[/quote]

All this shit is marketing. Every damn year there is the next two great QBs.

Burrows is nothing great he is just the best they have this year to build up as the Golden Child.

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Here is a question to answer.

We have the second pick and Burrows goes #1. With the second pick would you pick Chase, Tau or Haskins (hypothetically here that he came out in this draft)?

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[quote=mredskins;1245981]All this shit is marketing. Every damn year there is the next two great QBs.

Burrows is nothing great he is just the best they have this year to build up as the Golden Child.[/quote]

Jersey sales.

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[quote=mredskins;1245982]Here is a question to answer.

We have the second pick and Burrows goes #1. With the second pick would you pick Chase, Tau or Haskins (hypothetically here that he came out in this draft)?[/quote]

If Tua still has that injury concern, Chase Young. If he was completely healthy then Tua

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1245984]If Tua still has that injury concern, Chase Young. If he was completely healthy then Tua[/quote]

so you wouldn't even take Haskins

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Id take Tua first (since I dont have a QB), Chase second and I woudlnt take Haskins with the 2nd overall pick. Certainly not in this draft where it seems there are 5-6 really blue chip prospects.

Im not a Haskins hater, I like him but I just dont see an elite franchise QB. Foot work, arm slot, mechanics, feel need work. maybe 10-15 best in the league in a few years and you can work with that. Still way to early to judge Haskins and we will find out a lot this year.

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Right now if you asked me who was the better prospect Haskins or Hurts? I'd probably say Hurts, similar accuracy traits and arm strength but Hurts can move much better, he's going to be a steal this yr

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[quote=mredskins;1245986]so you wouldn't even take Haskins[/quote]

Wow, I totally misread that somehow.

Tua, then Dwayne, then Chase if they are all in the same draft just because you need the QB

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[quote=mredskins;1245981]All this shit is marketing. Every damn year there is the next two great QBs.

[B]Burrows is nothing great[/B] he is just the best they have this year to build up as the Golden Child.[/quote]

He only just had one of the greatest, if not the greatest season in college football history.

No biggie.

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[quote=MTK;1246023]He only just had one of the greatest, if not the greatest season in college football history.

No biggie.[/quote]

There are always one hit wonders out there.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1246025]There are always one hit wonders out there.[/quote]

If you were Cincy would you want to pass on the next potential Aaron Rodgers?

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[quote=MTK;1246023]He only just had one of the greatest, if not the greatest season in college football history.

No biggie.[/quote]

I'm surprised no one is talking about Carolina trading up to try and get Burrow to pair him back with his LSU passing coordinator. Maybe they don't have the resources to do so...but if I were a fan, that is what I'd be hoping for vs. hoping Cam is "healthy"

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[quote=MTK;1246023]He only just had one of the greatest, if not the greatest season in college football history.

No biggie.[/quote]

Doesn't always translate to the NFL but time will tell.

Still you got admit every year its two great QBs coming out hype and then fizzle.

Lamar and Patrick are probably the two best in the last five years to come out neither was part of this pre-draft circle jerk hype machine before each of their respective drafts.

Maybe I am old now but the NFL on so many levels is just wash rinse repeat year and year out. I actually enjoy amateur sports now more.

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[quote=MTK;1246023]He only just had one of the greatest, if not the greatest season in college football history.

No biggie.[/quote]

What was so impressive is his wins against extremely quality opponents and defenses. Also, he played in an NFL style offense.

This is the schedule he dominated:

@Texas
Florida
Auburn
@Alabama - rewatch that game. my god the poise.
Georgia
neutral field Oklahoma
neutral field Clemson

Who didn't he play in college football this year?


What is true about Tua this past season...everytime he played...everytime...the announcers always talked about how much he hobbled around the field...always talking about how injured Tua was. The writing is on the wall...completely negligent to take him at 2

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[quote=mredskins;1245981]All this shit is marketing. Every damn year there is the next two great QBs.

Burrows is nothing great he is just the best they have this year to build up as the Golden Child.[/quote]

If you look at the list of college QBs that put up huge numbers there are plenty of guys that never made it in the NFL or low end starters/backups like Case Keenum.

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[quote=Chico23231;1246071]What was so impressive is his wins against extremely quality opponents and defenses. Also, he played in an NFL style offense.

This is the schedule he dominated:

@Texas
Florida
Auburn
@Alabama - rewatch that game. my god the poise.
Georgia
neutral field Oklahoma
neutral field Clemson

Who didn't he play in college football this year?


[B]What is true about Tua this past season...everytime he played...everytime...the announcers always talked about how much he hobbled around the field...always talking about how injured Tua was. The writing is on the wall...completely negligent to take him at 2[/B][/quote]

Two ankle and one hip surgery already, even with the evolving rules protecting QBs I doubt his body holds up long in the NFL. Even on a young guy those injuries start adding up.

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He reminds me of Chad Pennington his body won't hold up great arm sees the field great intelligence. I know CP's arms wasn't great but ok/good.

Should we be drafting Tua???
 

[QUOTE=mredskins;1246069]Doesn't always translate to the NFL but time will tell.



Still you got admit every year its two great QBs coming out hype and then fizzle.



Lamar and Patrick are probably the two best in the last five years to come out neither was part of this pre-draft circle jerk hype machine before each of their respective drafts.



Maybe I am old now but the NFL on so many levels is just wash rinse repeat year and year out. I actually enjoy amateur sports now more.[/QUOTE]


No doubt the draft is a crapshoot but right now Burrow is the clear #1 QB prospect and it’s well deserved coming off the season he had



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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1246093]He reminds me of Chad Pennington his body won't hold up great arm sees the field great intelligence. I know CP's arms wasn't great but ok/good.[/quote]

I just looked him up. I can't believe he is 43 years old and last played 10 years ago. I thought he had only been gone a couple years, seems the older I get the faster time flies.

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I was thinking that trading down does provide one benefit from a QB perspective..... if it involves a 1st rounder next year we would likely have two 1st in the top 10/15 which gives the team a year to look at DH and if they dont like what they are seeing they will have the ammunition to trade up next year for a premier prospect.... just a thought

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1246086]Two ankle and one hip surgery already, even with the evolving rules protecting QBs I doubt his body holds up long in the NFL. Even on a young guy those injuries start adding up.[/quote]

I was day dreaming for a few days about drafting Tau; now seeing all the injury stuff, PASS.

[B]Just get Young and be done. [/B]

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1246105]I was thinking that trading down does provide one benefit from a QB perspective..... if it involves a 1st rounder next year we would likely have two 1st in the top 10/15 which gives the team a year to look at DH and if they dont like what they are seeing they will have the ammunition to trade up next year for a premier prospect.... just a thought[/quote]

Nothing wrong with your reasoning, IMHO. Still, if we can't get the appropriate return on the #2 pick, then I think we'll draft draft Chase Young.

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[quote=mredskins;1246119]I was day dreaming for a few days about drafting Tau; now seeing all the injury stuff, PASS.

[B]Just get Young and be done. [/B][/quote]

Cincy has been known to surprise in past drafts so in my mind I keep going back to "What if the Bengals draft Chase Young #1"? The resulting bidding for our #2 pick could get so outrageous that I can't imagine what we might be able to get for it. So, I just tell myself "Nah, that won't happen" and put it out of mind.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1246143]Nothing wrong with your reasoning, IMHO. Still, if we can't get the appropriate return on the #2 pick, then I think we'll draft draft Chase Young.[/quote]

Absolutely, my price for not taking CY would be x2 1st and a 2nd this year and a 1st next. Taking Tua makes no sense to me if you are going to dump DH, I would rather take the trade down option and go for a QB next year

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1246146]Cincy has been known to surprise in past drafts so in my mind I keep going back to "What if the Bengals draft Chase Young #1"? The resulting bidding for our #2 pick could get so outrageous that I can't imagine what we might be able to get for it. So, I just tell myself "Nah, that won't happen" and put it out of mind.[/quote]

If Tua was the top QB prospect I'd say them taking Young wouldn't be all that crazy. But passing on Burrow would be insane. They have to take him.

Should we be drafting Tua???
 

The fans in Cincy will murder the GM if he doesn’t take Burrows after the season he had.

We can’t give up on Haskins when his last two games were ELITE. If Haskins sucks this year then we draft a QB to challenge him in NEXT years draft.



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Future Redskins QB Tua Tagovailoa has been cleared by his team of doctors.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1246377]Future Redskins QB Tua Tagovailoa has been cleared by his team of doctors.[/quote]

[IMG]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Schneed10;1246383][IMG]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

LOL in all seriousness I'm starting to think its a real possibility

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1246086]Two ankle and one hip surgery already, even with the evolving rules protecting QBs I doubt his body holds up long in the NFL. Even on a young guy those injuries start adding up.[/quote]

Exactly right. Statistically 1.6% of college players are good enough make it to the NFL. I cannot imagine when bigger/faster/stronger NFL defensive players start taking aim at Tua as compared to college player . Every player that goes from College to pros always says the physical toll as the biggest change. More games.

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Chase Young = 100%
Trade Down = 50%
Tua = -50%
Total = 100%

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It all boils down to RR, does he really believe in DH as his franchise QB? The fact that he hasn't come out and said "Dwayne is our guy" makes it seem like he's on the fence... Could be a smokescreen, could be motivation for DH.. We will see come draft night

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1246403]It all boils down to RR, does he really believe in DH as his franchise QB? The fact that he hasn't come out and said "Dwayne is our guy" makes it seem like he's on the fence... Could be a smokescreen, could be motivation for DH.. We will see come draft night[/QUOTE]



He hasn’t said anything yet because he doesn’t have to. Why show your hand now?


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1246147]Absolutely, my price for not taking CY would be x2 1st and a 2nd this year and a 1st next. Taking Tua makes no sense to me if you are going to dump DH, I would rather take the trade down option and go for a QB next year[/quote]


Agreed.

By all accounts, Chase Young is a generational defensive talent. I just don't see RR letting that go by him.

Give DH a shot this year to show what he's got. If he can't cut it, then you see about going all in on trying to snag your QB of the future.

Trevor Lawrence at Clemson and Justin Fields at Ohio State will lead the QB list for the 2021 draft. But there will be others that emerge like Joe Burrows did this past year.

Or .... maybe ... we get lucky and draft Jalen Hurts this year, and maybe he turns out to be our QB of the future.


Give me Chase Young this year, and let's elevate our D-Line to elite status.

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[quote=MTK;1246408]He hasn’t said anything yet because he doesn’t have to. Why show your hand now?


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That's fair but usually you see more backing for your 1st rd QB.. In fact one of the first things he said was "we will look at all options" That doesn't sound like a guy all in on his guy. It's def something to watch in the next month

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1246415]That's fair but usually you see more backing for your 1st rd QB.. In fact one of the first things he said was "we will look at all options" That doesn't sound like a guy all in on his guy. It's def something to watch in the next month[/quote]

SFOK, I like you man, but this is just nonsense.

Let's go.

$100 that Dwayne Haskins will still be our first string qb after draft night.

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Lol mooby I'm just not so sure, I won't bet on anything in the NFL anymore. The draft is crazy every yr

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1246415]That's fair but usually you see more backing for your 1st rd QB.. In fact one of the first things he said was "we will look at all options" That doesn't sound like a guy all in on his guy. It's def something to watch in the next month[/QUOTE]



All that matters is what Rivera has personally told Haskins


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Young is as close to a sure thing as any prospect in recent years. In terms of ability maybe Tua is too. But his injury history is already sending up red flags. You have a potential generational talent and everyone's #1 player in the draft or a guy that might be a franchise QB or another RG3. I say you go where there is a higher degree of certainty and take Young. As said, if Haskins isn't the guy, then you draft QB again next year, but in the meantime you will have a defensive linchpin in place. And you won't have let him go to the Giants.

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[quote=Chico23231;1246071]What was so impressive is his wins against extremely quality opponents and defenses. Also, he played in an NFL style offense.

This is the schedule he dominated:

@Texas
Florida
Auburn
@Alabama - rewatch that game. my god the poise.
Georgia
neutral field Oklahoma
neutral field Clemson

Who didn't he play in college football this year?


What is true about Tua this past season...everytime he played...everytime...the announcers always talked about how much he hobbled around the field...always talking about how injured Tua was. The writing is on the wall...completely negligent to take him at 2[/quote]

And yet he still had 33 td's and only 3 ints, 71% completion hobbling around... lol. But I'm you on Tua. I don't think the Skins should take him but they still have to think about it. They still have to do their due diligence.