How Low Can We Go? Redskins @ Giants Postgame Thread
 

[QUOTE=GridIron26;1232439]Lol I gotta tell you that you are allowing your frustrations to cloud your evaluation, just like many people are and I don't blame you guys at all. After all, we are falling to the bottom of sea pretty fast. I just realized that you typed [B]excellent[/B] talents, I read your comment too quickly and thought of talents alone in general. But then, not many teams have several players with excellent talents so I'm going to discuss about talents in general.



Yes, Holcomb and Moreau had a bad game yesterday. Thus, in your perspective, that game alone negates every other games they played? Moreland fell to 7th round for a reason, and in my opinion, he exceeded expectations for 7th round player, which is to contribute on a regular basis. Yes he gave up big plays, but he also made some plays. It is coaches' job to put players in position to make plays, maximizing players' strengths and mask their weaknesses. We have amazing D-line and Manusky couldn't even utilize it. Preston Smith didn't do much with us and yet he's becoming an important piece for Green Bay. Trent Murphy haven't made his name in NFL but he is a starter for Buffalo defense which has been pretty good unit for last two or three years. Murphy looked like a JAG except for last few games when he was here. Collins is starting to look like a bust considering the size of his contract. Collins has his limitations, we all know that, and yet he is exposed frequently. This is 100% on Manusky and Horton.



I have been Gruden's supporter ever since he came here, I appreciate what he did for Redskins - he helped bring Redskins out of the shit we were in before. It is now evident that Gruden's time with us has passed, he had multiple opportunities with us but he couldn't find a defense coordinator and it cost him his job. Despite the fact that we are falling down pretty fast, we do have some talents on this team. I honestly believe we do have some pieces that will entice some candidates. We just need to get rid of all players that are not giving what we need from them, then build on the young players we have.[/QUOTE]



Holcomb doesn’t really have many other games too go by. Lol. Not ready to give up but sticking to original post not ready to say excellent potential by any means. Moreau has always sucked imo. Moreland didn’t fall to 7th for ant other reason than he comes from a small school. Again certainly not ready to give up but excellent potential? Maybe.
Totally not emotional points. Excellent potential to me means they can be stars. I see it in our two young d linemen and dunbar. Don’t mean others won’t make the jump but I don’t see it now. Bring in a DC and that can all change.

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I think we also need to ask ourselves why our d-line has been so ineffective this year.

On paper Allen/Payne/Ioannidis plus Kerrigan and Sweat as pass rushers sounds good. But it seems too often we're rushing 4 and not getting any pressure.

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How do they still have jobs?

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We have simply missed on too many draft picks. Let some go cause the FO felt they were not good enough to extend. 2016 in particular was just horrible.

But I love how when after the draft everyone was complementing the Redskins and here comes Bruce. He's talking to everyone and patting himself on the back. Now we're 0-5 and that fucking slimy rat bastard will not open his mouth for shit. He's incognito. He is nothing but a cockroach, he scatters when the lights get too bright.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1232455]We have simply missed on too many draft picks. Let some go cause the FO felt they were not good enough to extend. 2016 in particular was just horrible.

But I love how when after the draft everyone was complementing the Redskins and here comes Bruce. He's talking to everyone and patting himself on the back. Now we're 0-5 and that fucking slimy rat bastard will not open his mouth for shit. He's incognito. [B]He is nothing but a cockroach, he scatters when the lights get too bright[/B].[/quote]

And he seems to be indestructible. If there's a nuclear holocaust, we can assume that cockroaches and Bruce will survive.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1232455]We have simply missed on too many draft picks. Let some go cause the FO felt they were not good enough to extend. 2016 in particular was just horrible.

But I love how when after the draft everyone was complementing the Redskins and here comes Bruce. He's talking to everyone and patting himself on the back. Now we're 0-5 and that fucking slimy rat bastard will not open his mouth for shit. He's incognito. He is nothing but a cockroach, he scatters when the lights get too bright.[/quote]

Last 2 drafts have been solid, it takes about 3 years to get the players to speed. In this case it’s the coaching scheme. How come so many ex-Redskins do better elsewhere?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1232455]We have simply missed on too many draft picks. Let some go cause the FO felt they were not good enough to extend. 2016 in particular was just horrible.

But I love how when after the draft everyone was complementing the Redskins and here comes Bruce. He's talking to everyone and patting himself on the back. Now we're 0-5 and that fucking slimy rat bastard will not open his mouth for shit. He's incognito. He is nothing but a cockroach, he scatters when the lights get too bright.[/quote]


And every god damn year we say "but this years draft class looks really good".

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Listerine breath strip?
Ouch...eewww

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1232461]Last 2 drafts have been solid, it takes about 3 years to get the players to speed. In this case it’s the coaching scheme. How come so many ex-Redskins do better elsewhere?[/QUOTE]



Exactly. Sure, we could use better players. But that’s not the main reason this team is in shambles.

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I'm adopting the Preston Smith theory. Our defense has a lot of good players but the coaching staff is so fucking incompetent that they make everyone look bad. If this is incorrect we are going to suck on defense for a long long time.

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I'm drinking beers on a Monday, maybe it's the beer, but I might have to watch us vs. Dolphins. This tragic comedy might be amazing.

Dolphins are really going to have to try to tank against us. We suck without tanking.

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[quote=mooby;1232452]I think we also need to ask ourselves why our d-line has been so ineffective this year.

On paper Allen/Payne/Ioannidis plus Kerrigan and Sweat as pass rushers sounds good. But it seems too often we're rushing 4 and not getting any pressure.[/quote]

The main issue is Manuski......

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Pretty much sums up the team since Dan Snyder took over as the owner [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/c560f17cd3234afae33ce3437f018811.jpg[/IMG]

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EDIT: Already posted.

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The Redskins are allowing a REMARKABLE 87 % 3rd down completion rate!!! Holy shit

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1232555]The Redskins are allowing a REMARKABLE 87 % 3rd down completion rate!!! Holy shit[/quote]

If they keep grinding, the all time single season record for highest 3rd down percentage completed is ours.

In a semi-related note, we're down to #31 in the ESPN rankings. In two weeks we get to go head to head with Miami for the crown.

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[quote=mooby;1232556]If they keep grinding, the all time single season record for highest 3rd down percentage completed is ours.

In a semi-related note, we're down to #31 in the ESPN rankings. In two weeks we get to go head to head with Miami for the crown.[/quote]

Look at the bright side.... No other way to go than Up

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[quote=mooby;1232556]If they keep grinding, the all time single season record for highest 3rd down percentage completed is ours.

In a semi-related note, we're down to #31 in the ESPN rankings. In two weeks we get to go head to head with Miami for the crown.[/quote]

Two goals for the team to rally around.

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Bengals, Dolphins and Skins will be drafting in the top 3. Hell we might as well open the 20 draft thread.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1232571]Bengals, Dolphins and Skins will be drafting in the top 3. Hell we might as well open the 20 draft thread.[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1232571]Bengals, Dolphins and Skins will be drafting in the top 3. Hell we might as well open the 20 draft thread.[/quote]

This is why we need Kevin O'Connell OC calling plays and playing Haskins to see what we have.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1232555]The Redskins are allowing a REMARKABLE 87 % 3rd down completion rate!!! Holy shit[/quote]

And the other 13% the other team goes for it on 4th down and converts.

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internet says 63% ... 83% would not be surprising though.

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct[/url]

2018 Bengals 49%
2017 Tampa 48%
2016 Skins 46%
2015 Giants 46%
2014 Falcons 46%

By seasons end, I imagine we end up around 47% range.

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[quote=SunnySide;1232577]internet says 63% ... 83% would not be surprising though.

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct[/url]

2018 Bengals 49%
2017 Tampa 48%
2016 Skins 46%
2015 Giants 46%
2014 Falcons 46%

By seasons end, I imagine we end up around 47% range.[/quote]

Both could be right. Completion percentage is the percentage of forward passes that are complete on third down (which would include completions short of the first down}. Conversion percentage is the percentage of third down plays that resulted in a first down, whether passing or running.

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Not to rehash what we already know but some facts, stats and opinions about the game:

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/2/20888007/skins-stats-snaps-redskins-giants-offense[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1232662]Not to rehash what we already know but some facts, stats and opinions about the game:

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/2/20888007/skins-stats-snaps-redskins-giants-offense[/url][/quote]

That was hard to read. Bad on every single level with the exception of Dunbar and Quinn. Ooof.