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meh Eagles were flagged 6 times in the game. Twice in the first half, once in each quarter. Redskins flagged twelve times. 6 in first half and 8 in second two were declined. To me it is more about team discipline than any conspiracy.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1229654]meh Eagles were flagged 6 times in the game. Twice in the first half, once in each quarter. Redskins flagged twelve times. 6 in first half and 8 in second two were declined. To me it is more about team discipline than any conspiracy.[/quote]

Nah. We get the least holding calls in the history of the league and it's the most blatant bullshit I've ever seen. Now wear the damn tinfoil.

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Good article where JP Finley interviews Gruden that touches on many of the issues from the past week.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/exclusive-jp-finlay-sits-down-jay-gruden-after-redskins-week-1-loss-eagles[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;1229666]Good article where JP Finley interviews Gruden that touches on many of the issues from the past week.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/exclusive-jp-finlay-sits-down-jay-gruden-after-redskins-week-1-loss-eagles[/url][/quote]

Thanks for sharing the article. I can understand where Gruden was thinking when he decided to keep Peterson inactive for the game now after he pointed out how he believes it is more important to have a 3rd RB who can play special team to help contain Sproles. Not saying that I agree with the move, but I'm not holding it against Gruden.

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[quote=Meks;1229661]Nah. We get the least holding calls in the history of the league and it's the most blatant bullshit I've ever seen. Now wear the damn tinfoil.[/quote]

Yep, we never get holding calls , RK gets close-lined almost every fucking week and NOTHING! Also when is the last time the skins had the ball late in a game and a Flag went our way?? U never see it. The NFL is against the Redskins, it's not an excuse its a fact. We suck either way but there is no sugar coating that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229682]Yep, we never get holding calls , RK gets close-lined almost every fucking week and NOTHING! Also when is the last time the skins had the ball late in a game and a Flag went our way?? U never see it. The NFL is against the Redskins, it's not an excuse its a fact. We suck either way but there is no sugar coating that[/quote]

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person. But if what you are saying is accurate, then the Redskins would be leading the league in penalties.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1229686]I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person. But if what you are saying is accurate, then the Redskins would be leading the league in penalties.[/quote]

I think what he said was actually that we don't get calls in our favor. I wouldn't know where to look, but looking at our opponent's penalties/penalty yards against us versus their numbers versus their other opponents (so looking back a year or two for example) could be an informative way to determine if this is true.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1229686]I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person. But if what you are saying is accurate, then the Redskins would be leading the league in penalties.[/quote]

Also...

[url]https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html[/url]

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1229689]Also...

[url]https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html[/url][/quote]

1 week is too small a sampling size to asses. If what is being said is true, where are the Redskins over say the last 3-4 seasons?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1229688]I think what he said was actually that we don't get calls in our favor. I wouldn't know where to look, but looking at our opponent's penalties/penalty yards against us versus their numbers versus their other opponents (so looking back a year or two for example) could be an informative way to determine if this is true.[/quote]

I get that. But if what is being said is accurate, then logic would suggest there would be a considerable amount of calls assessed against the team as well. Again, 1 week sampling is not sufficient.

I see that last season the Chiefs led the NFL in penalties and penalty yards. That sure trashed their season, all the way up to the AFC Championship game.

BTW, Redskins were assessed 115 penalties and were 7th in the league in 2018 in penalties.
In 2017, you only had 92 penalties assessed and were one of the least penalized teams in the league and 27 other teams had more penalties called against them.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229682]Yep, we never get holding calls , RK gets close-lined almost every fucking week and NOTHING! Also when is the last time the skins had the ball late in a game and a Flag went our way?? U never see it. The NFL is against the Redskins, it's not an excuse its a fact. We suck either way but there is no sugar coating that[/quote]

I'm not much into conspiracy theories against the Redskins by the league...but this certainly doesn't help.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/09/06/slight-or-oversight-redskins-omitted-fox-sports-football-is-back-graphic/[/url]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1229700]I get that. But if what is being said is accurate, then logic would suggest there would be a considerable amount of calls assessed against the team as well. Again, 1 week sampling is not sufficient.

I see that last season the Chiefs led the NFL in penalties and penalty yards. That sure trashed their season, all the way up to the AFC Championship game.

BTW, Redskins were assessed 115 penalties and were 7th in the league in 2018 in penalties.
In 2017, you only had 92 penalties assessed and were one of the least penalized teams in the league and 27 other teams had more penalties called against them.[/quote]

This is what they want, tho. A drone like you referring strictly to the numbers. You're being as naive as they expect you to, no offense. It's not about the volume, or the yards, it's ALLLLLL about the timing of the calls and the impact they have on specific games. Period. It's not rocket science (even tho you want to take that approach in your evaluation).

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[quote=SkinzWin;1229666]Good article where JP Finley interviews Gruden that touches on many of the issues from the past week.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/exclusive-jp-finlay-sits-down-jay-gruden-after-redskins-week-1-loss-eagles[/url][/quote]

I would have loved if JP asked the "lack of communication" on defense that lead to the quick scores in the 3rd and how they are going to prevent explosive teams from exploiting that in future games.

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This whole thing about Moses being targeted by the league is just dumb. Do your job better. Stop with the loser talk. Point the finger at yourself first.


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[quote=Meks;1229712]This is what they want, tho. A drone like you referring strictly to the numbers. You're being as naive as they expect you to, no offense. It's not about the volume, or the yards, it's ALLLLLL about the timing of the calls and the impact they have on specific games. Period. It's not rocket science (even tho you want to take that approach in your evaluation).[/quote]

You and I have been down this particular path before. Think it was the same subject too. And we agreed to disagree.

Even if what you say is true, do you even grasp the depth and complexity of this theory? I don't think you do.

There are 122 officials on the NFL roster for 2019. 122.....

And you truly believe that all 122 all are part of some huge conspiracy to ensure the Redskins do not get favorable calls? And they engineer this around the timing of the game? All 122. Not one of them is the sole voice of opposition? Not one of them has gone to TMZ to provide them with a 'source close to the organization'? You really believe that?

And you call ME NAIVE!?!?!

Occams razor.....
The more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely the explanation.

What makes more sense? That there is this huge complex conspiracy that involves the officials and league offices that because they do not like the team name, they are overlooking calls in key points in the game so the Redskins lose?

Or....

You are looking at this with Burgundy and Gold shaded glasses?
What makes more sense

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went to TMZ lol, its fine to disagree, i dont really care. I think you over estimate the depth of so called conspiracy. Its easy why they'd keep quiet, they get paid way too much already to be part time employees, and thats what they are, employees. Mo Money, Mo Problems, for us on gameday.

It's already a league wide mandate that no one is to throw a flag when Ryan Kerrigan gets choke slammed, yet i see flags on every other screen at the bar whilst watching on Sundays for similar infractions. They call it the way they call it for a reason, why we dont KNOW FOR SURE what that reason is - is beyond our pay grade as fans. Its pretty simple in the end, the official have and always will treat this team like shit and make it look they are not guilty of favoritism.

#SellTheTeamDan

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[quote=Meks;1229661]Nah. We get the least holding calls in the history of the league and it's the most blatant bullshit I've ever seen. Now wear the damn tinfoil.[/quote]

Lol. The Universal constants of The Warpath

1.Conspiracy theories abound
2. Schneed will insult someone's intelligence on every thread
3. Chico will drop an F bomb on every thread
4. After every loss Punch will vow never to watch the Redskins play again

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^^^^^^^^^ makes sense to me.

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Every fan base thinks the league is out to get them and every sports writer is biased against them

Just look at the Saints home crowd last week with about half the crowd wearing ref shirts [emoji849]


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[quote=MTK;1229737]Every fan base thinks the league is out to get them and every sports writer is biased against them
[/quote]

Because it's true!

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[quote=MTK;1229737]Every fan base thinks the league is out to get them and every sports writer is biased against them

Just look at the Saints home crowd last week with about half the crowd wearing ref shirts [emoji849]


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they had every right tho.

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LOL. My daughter in law watching her Seahawks is like "Look at all the f*!king holding! Wheres the flag?"

And I'm like, "Honey, he's the ball carrier, I think it's okay this time."

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1229743]LOL. My daughter in law watching her Seahawks is like "Look at all the f*!king holding! Wheres the flag?"

And I'm like, "Honey, he's the ball carrier, I think it's okay this time."[/quote]

thus the difference between new to watching football and watching the evolution of the game, league and the way its being officiated for almost 30 years.

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I don't believe the officials are out to get the Redskins. Jay Gruden's teams are generally undisciplined, with enough penalties to get into the top 25% of the most penalized teams in the NFL in 2018. Maybe it's just the style of the team's playcalling, or the way he addresses penalty issues with players after the game; or keeping high penalty players like Morgan Moses in the game.

I don't think its luck. Highly disciplined teams like the Patriots are low in penalties on 2018.

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Again, our TEs blocking still is an issue in the run game, ie VD on this play... no run game expert but if he blocks his guy it seems like it could've been a solid gain.

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/ihRqnFduU2Wx9xNcjP/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1229815]Again, our TEs blocking still is an issue in the run game, ie VD on this play... no run game expert but if he blocks his guy it seems like it could've been a solid gain.

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/ihRqnFduU2Wx9xNcjP/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Per football focus, his blocking grade was in the 20s...which is lowest among all nfl tight ends across the league.

It’s a major issue

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1229816]Per football focus, his blocking grade was in the 20s...which is lowest among all nfl tight ends across the league.



It’s a major issue[/QUOTE]Good to know. .. sometimes I feel like I hate too much on him ^^
But when I saw this play on the all 22 I was like this is not me, that's piss poor effort.

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[QUOTE][/QUOTE]^^^^Look at where he lined up presnap. There is a huge gap between TE and RT. TE lined ups outside shoulder of a defender he has to prevent from going inside. He no chance to block him where lined up. Not just effort, it lack of intelligence and coaching.

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[quote=Meks;1229744]thus the difference between new to watching football and [B]watching the evolution of the game[/B], league and the way its being officiated for almost 30 years.[/quote]

I been watching for over 50, since I was about 5. I was playing in High School when they made the head slap illegal. Our line coach taught guys to grab their own jersey when engaged with a defender to avoid illegal use of hands calls. I think it would be a kick to have a game refereed by 1970's interpretation of the rules nowadays. Do a couple games a year like that without pre-warning.

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[quote=Chico23231;1229816]Per football focus, his blocking grade was in the 20s...which is lowest among all nfl tight ends across the league.

It’s a major issue[/quote]

VD is never a good blocker TBH.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229823]VD is never a good blocker TBH.[/quote]

Was never that good and got worse by the year. With his measurables you would think he would have been great as a blocker.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1229815]Again, our TEs blocking still is an issue in the run game, ie VD on this play... no run game expert but if he blocks his guy it seems like it could've been a solid gain.

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/ihRqnFduU2Wx9xNcjP/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

I'm not happy with his blocking, but on this play it looks to me that he did a good job. Isn't that him riding his man back to the 20 yard line? Am I missing something?

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[QUOTE=Number44;1229826]I'm not happy with his blocking, but on this play it looks to me that he did a good job. Isn't that him riding his man back to the 20 yard line? Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Nope, he barely touches his guy who makes the tackle for a short gain

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VD is an athletic freak...but he has some bad drops and cant block. I called on this past offseason as a reset at the position, but nothing done. I hope this coming offseason, TE should be our primary focus along the Oline.

Im completely dumbfounded by Bruce's handling of Brandon Schreff...its gonna cost us more in the long run. We need to lock up our great/elite players. He is fucking this up big time, along with several other situations.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1229829]VD is an athletic freak...but he has some bad drops and cant block. I called on this past offseason as a reset at the position, but nothing done. I hope this coming offseason, TE should be our primary focus along the Oline.



Im completely dumbfounded by Bruce's handling of Brandon Schreff...its gonna cost us more in the long run. We need to lock up our great/elite players. He is fucking this up big time, along with several other situations.[/QUOTE]Alot of teams will have this contract issue because the cba is up and players, especially in Scherffs situation, think the deals will be better under the new cba. And they are probably right.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1229815]Again, our TEs blocking still is an issue in the run game, ie VD on this play... no run game expert but if he blocks his guy it seems like it could've been a solid gain.

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/ihRqnFduU2Wx9xNcjP/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Great point and yes you can see #55 on the Eagles (Brandon Graham) chase Guice down from the back side of the play.

Graham is lined up inside Vernon which doesn't make Vernon's job easy, and Graham easily beats Vernon inside because of it, as you'd expect. But notice Graham is able to push Vernon two yards into the backfield immediately. Vernon is never going to seal Graham off on this play, the way Graham is aligned prevents it, but he at least needs to keep Graham from crossing to the Washington side of the line of scrimmage. He needs to stalemate Graham there and force him to run down the line of scrimmage, which would then let Guice get to the line of scrimmage before being contacted, and then you've got a shot at a 3 yard gain to keep the drive on schedule.

Vernon can't give ground so easily, doing so gave Graham the angle to meet Guice in the backfield and stop the play for no gain.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1229828]Nope, he barely touches his guy who makes the tackle for a short gain

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Ok, thanks. I see now VD is lined up on the right side, not the left.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1229831]Alot of teams will have this contract issue because the cba is up and players, especially in Scherffs situation, think the deals will be better under the new cba. And they are probably right.

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Yep, this looming CBA basically killed any chance at re-signing Schreff. Also, why Trent's stupid ass is not playing, but he's putting bullshit excuses.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1229842]Yep, this looming CBA basically killed any chance at re-signing Schreff. Also, why Trent's stupid ass is not playing, but he's putting bullshit excuses.[/quote]

As long as the new CBA still has the franchise tag, Scherff isn't going anywhere. If we can't get something done, we'll have to use it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1229851]As long as the new CBA still has the franchise tag, Scherff isn't going anywhere. If we can't get something done, we'll have to use it.[/quote]

And I think both sides are counting on that, but the point is that the new CBA is making things difficult to re-sign Schreff and it likely has little to do with the team or Schreff. So be ready to have Schreff on the tag until the new CBA gets done.