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[B]chico = hypocrite![/B]

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[quote=Chico23231;1259860]Post the headline from your article. Refinery29 is a trash fucking site who posted the fake new handsmaid tale article from Newsweek before they retracted it.

This is the headline: This Is Amy Coney Barrett, The Potential RBG Replacement Who Hates Your Uterus

Full of bias and weak language peddling assumptions, not based in fact


If we aren’t smart enough to see what’s going on here, I can’t help ya[/quote]

I used that exert because it was directly quoting her ... I didnt quote any of the editorial stuff because that just writer view point and opinion. I just wanted to add a small nugget quote from her to give some validity to her being pro-life. I try to source stuff when I can. And it is 100% fine if she is pro-life but as a SCOTUS justice, she needs to follow the law and Roe is the law. Discussing that has merit imo.

I admit, Im having trouble following or starting a discussion of any actual merit on here. I made a lengthy post about "freedom of religion", that was ignored and thats fine. I made this post about a SC nominee following the law of the land vs their own beliefs and I imagine that will get 0 traction as well. And its totally cool. People will talk about what they want to talk about.

im just having trouble following people on here the last few days. Thats a me problem.

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I forgot why I left this part of the site for a minute. Ciao :)

#HTTWFT

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[quote=mooby;1259838]I'm having a shitty morning, apologies if I'm coming across too angry. Shoutout to you calling out Fox News.[/quote]

No worries. I had several adult beverages last night watching the Braves clinch the division. Posting about politics while drinking is never a good idea.

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[quote=Chico23231;1259816][url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/newsweek-forced-to-issue-major-retraction-after-it-smears-amy-coney-barrett-claims-she-belongs-to-sect-that-inspired-the-handmaids-tale[/url]

Newsweek makes retraction on fake news story about Amy Barrett.

It’s not even announced and media is already spreading lies about potential candidates. That’s why they’ve earned the title “Enemy of the People “[/quote]

LOL, so a news outlet makes a correction and you still bitch but you never make a sound when trump keeps telling lie after lie after lie ,why is that chico???

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1259825]You know they won't/can't. It's the childish side that exists that thinks it's ok, but if you put a Biden coat on those, oh how quickly we would hear how we were insensitive, or cruel, or mocking and disrespectful of the people.[/quote]

Literally no one is walking around with Biden coats, shirts, hats, or any other crazy shit that Trump supporters wear. No shirts with eagles holding guns or Uncle Sam with a bazooka. Driving home today I went through Harper's Ferry and saw no less than 5 trump murals painted on the side of barns and out buildings. Giant signs as well erected like billboards. It is most defiantly a cult.

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[quote=MTK;1259851]Listen, mock away. If there are pics of fools at a Biden rally that deserve mocking I'm all for it. There are ridiculous people on both sides of the fence. For example sdskinsfan2001 calling the left baby killers.[/quote]

How can you have a rally in a basement? LOL

Today he stayed home to prepare for the debate. Why does he have to study his own thoughts and ideas on how to run the country?

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[quote=Giantone;1259861]LOL, chico it's funny when you bitch about "what's going on here" but then you do the exact same thing posting lies about Biden. You're as shitty as trump chico.[/quote]

Seems you fall in the same category and attacking people.

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The Bush family hated conservatives. Those 2 guys alone ruined a whole argument. But nonetheless, liberal judges get passed astronomically higher by non-liberal senate members than conservative judges do by non-conservative senate members.

Even with those 2 jackasses it's still true, but the numbers are watered down.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/DtTsYq9/20200924-223859.jpg[/IMG]

I cut this off to be during my lifetime but the whole link is below:

[url]https://www.senate.gov/legislative/nominations/SupremeCourtNominations1789present.htm[/url]

Democrats definitely knew Roberts was a treacherous piece of shit human being.

Apparently the same about Souter elected by Bush 1:

He was nominated for the Supreme Court without a significant "paper trail" but was expected to be a conservative Justice. Within a few years of his appointment, Souter moved towards the center and eventually came to vote reliably with the Court's liberal wing.

Lol, Bush family: Hated by both sides. What a bunch of losers. I was genuinely shocked when Jeb Bush ran for president.

The lesson is, even when Republicans run a non-conservative for President (the whole Bush clan), Democrats will shit on him all 4-8 years. The revisionist history is rich on that one. Now Democrats pretend like only Trump was a bad Republican president, and Bush wasn't raked across the coals (in hindsight rightfully so, but for probably different reasons from my perspective), all day every day. It doesn't matter who is a Republican president, he will get shitted on relentlessly, until the next Republican is elected, and they treat him even worse than the last guy, then pretend like the last guy was treated fairly.

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This is gonna be a hot topic but can we talk about the bill the House just put up? 18 year terms for SC justices?

It's radical and I don't expect it to pass at all unless the left sweeps the Senate and POTUS, but I'm not surprised this is the direction we're going in. Ideally my SC would have 4 Dems, 4 conservatives, and a moderate Chief Justice, but since that idea is now a fantasy I fully expect Dems to start thinking outside the box. Better this than adding more justices to the court IMO.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1259951]The Bush family hated conservatives. Those 2 guys alone ruined a whole argument. But nonetheless, liberal judges get passed astronomically higher by non-liberal senate members than conservative judges do by non-conservative senate members.

Even with those 2 jackasses it's still true, but the numbers are watered down.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/DtTsYq9/20200924-223859.jpg[/IMG]

I cut this off to be during my lifetime but the whole link is below:

[url]https://www.senate.gov/legislative/nominations/SupremeCourtNominations1789present.htm[/url]

Democrats definitely knew Roberts was a treacherous piece of shit human being.

Apparently the same about Souter elected by Bush 1:

He was nominated for the Supreme Court without a significant "paper trail" but was expected to be a conservative Justice. Within a few years of his appointment, Souter moved towards the center and eventually came to vote reliably with the Court's liberal wing.

Lol, Bush family: Hated by both sides. What a bunch of losers. I was genuinely shocked when Jeb Bush ran for president.

The lesson is, even when Republicans run a non-conservative for Preident (the whole Bush clan), Democrats will shit on him all 4-8 years. The revisionist history is rich on that one. Now Democrats pretend like only Trump was a bad Republican president, and Bush wasn't raked across the coals (in hindsight rightfully so, but for probably different reasons from my perspective), all day every day. It doesn't matter who is a Republican president, he will get shitted on relentlessly, until the next Republican is elected, and they treat him even worse than the last guy, then pretend like the last guy was treated fairly.[/quote]

Also can we not pretend like it doesn't go both ways? Obama was shitted on for the suits he wore, the condiments on his sandwich, for bowing to a foreign leader, etc.

The first Bush was before my time, but I remain convinced Dick Cheney really was the power broker behind the scenes in the 2nd Bush admin.

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[quote=mooby;1259955]Also can we not pretend like it doesn't go both ways? Obama was shitted on for the suits he wore, the condiments on his sandwich, for bowing to a foreign leader, etc.

The first Bush was before my time, but I remain convinced Dick Cheney really was the power broker behind the scenes in the 2nd Bush admin.[/quote]

The difference is mainstream media and especially big tech, which has even more power now than when even Obama was president, is overwhelmingly ran by liberals. Yes, Obama got bashed, but not even 25% as bad as Trump has been imo. Trump gets it relentlessly from all angles.

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Obama also wasn't on Twitter all day and night saying dumb shit constantly. Maybe if Trump had more restraint he wouldn't get killed from all angles.

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[quote=MTK;1259969]Obama also wasn't on Twitter all day and night saying dumb shit constantly. Maybe if Trump had more restraint he wouldn't get killed from all angles.[/quote]

Can’t argue this

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[quote=MTK;1259969]Obama also wasn't on Twitter all day and night saying dumb shit constantly. Maybe if Trump had more restraint he wouldn't get killed from all angles.[/quote]

He could STFU way more often. But it wouldn't make a difference if he didn't have Twitter at all let alone used it incessantly. He gets bashed for everything and credit for nothing. Not saying some of it isn't warranted, but it's just way over the top and one-sided.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1259974]He could STFU way more often. But it wouldn't make a difference if he didn't have Twitter at all let alone used it incessantly. He gets bashed for everything and credit for nothing. Not saying some of it isn't warranted, but it's just way over the top and one-sided.[/quote]

I think it would make a big difference. The more you talk the more you open yourself up for criticism. And he loves to talk.

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[quote=MTK;1259976]I think it would make a big difference. The more you talk the more you open yourself up for criticism. And he loves to talk.[/quote]

It couldn't hurt. But Bush2 didn't have social media, didn't seem to do him much good. He got called a fucking idiot and every other name under the sun for 8 years. I thought he got it bad, and in hindsight he was definitely not a good president, but compared to Trump he was coddled.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1259977]It couldn't hurt. But Bush2 didn't have social media, didn't seem to do him much good. He got called a fucking idiot and every other name under the sun for 8 years. I thought he got it bad, and in hindsight he was definitely not a good president, but compared to Trump he was coddled.[/quote]

Now imagine if W was on Twitter, it would have made things 100 times worse for him.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eiy5IFkXcAA5ZF1?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1259969]Obama also wasn't on Twitter all day and night saying dumb shit constantly. Maybe if Trump had more restraint he wouldn't get killed from all angles.[/quote]

He does bring it on himself!!!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260007][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eiy5IFkXcAA5ZF1?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Chicos Utopia. Lol. Bah bah blind sheep.

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The hands maid tale is a scary reference.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1260381]The hands maid tale is a scary reference.[/quote]

It is but I think that's been proven false. We don't need to resort to unverified rumors when we can just use words she's already said in public.

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[quote=USA Today]
She encouraged the graduating class to “keep in mind that your legal career is but a means to an end, and as Father Jenkins told you this morning, that end is building the kingdom of God.”
[/quote]

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/24/fact-check-amy-coney-barrett-quote-missing-context-viral-meme/3496107001/[/url]

Hoping the left makes her clarify which is priority #1 in her life, her faith, or the law.

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[U]Obergefell v. Hodges [/U]- SC case that said all States must treat and give same sex couples the same rights and protections under the law, including issuing marriage certificates to same sex couples. It was decided 5-4. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were not on the bench in 2015.

Today, SCOTUS decided not to hear an appeal on Kim Davis, county clerk who refused to issue same sex certificates, but Justice Thomas made it clear in comments he strongly disagrees with Obergefell.

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Thomas said Obergefell forced Davis to choose "between her religious beliefs and her job. When she chose to follow her faith, and without any statutory protection of her religious beliefs, she was sued almost immediately for violating the constitutional rights of same-sex couples."

The Obergefell opinion authored by Kennedy aimed to balance the rights of religious people with those of gay couples, saying that "[m]any who deem same-sex marriage to be wrong reach that conclusion based on decent and honorable religious or philosophical premises."

Kennedy added: "[I]t must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned."

But Thomas argued Monday that Obergefell is highly flawed and marginalizes those who do not believe in same-sex marriage.
[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/thomas-alito-kim-davis-obergefell-decision-same-sex-marriage[/url]
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Religous beliefs effecting a public servant employees ability to do their job (issue marriage certificates) is going to go before the SC again.

Most logical view I have read (from a religious person) is that the State actually is not in the marriage business. Marriage is a religious ceremony. The State doesnt do "marriages" but actually issues a certificate of a contract between 2 people ... therefore Kim Davis' religious objection is misplaced and not relevant to State issuing a contract.

Nominee Barrett should be asked how she feels about public servants religious beliefs effecting their ability to perform their job duties.

Allowing states to not issue certificates for same sex marriage is very much in the SCOTUS cross hairs. Next it will be not allowing same sex couples the same protections under the law in Trust and Estate matters .. and then job discrimination.

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The Notorious ACB will be an inspiration to all girls, young women and moms across the country. What a family too, 7 kids and adoptions? Someone truly special.

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[quote=Chico23231;1261457]The Notorious ACB will be an inspiration to all girls, young women and moms across the country. What a family too, 7 kids and adoptions? Someone truly special.[/quote]

Nice lady , really. What make's you think she is anywhere ready to be a SC Justice?

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[quote=Chico23231;1261457]The Notorious ACB will be an inspiration to all girls, young women and moms across the country. What a family too, 7 kids and adoptions? Someone truly special.[/quote]

Right, because we all want to live a cookie cutter life, church on Sunday at 8 am, swear jar in the fucking kitchen and picking the kids up in the minivan after school.

She's a fucking joke. Set the example for others, but you don't get to dictate how other people live.

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Lol y’all know Chico is just messing with you all.

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Where's the lie?

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[quote=mooby;1262298][IMG]https://i.redd.it/k5froan8sus51.png[/IMG]

Where's the lie?[/quote]

Quoting an outright Anti Semitic. JFC...amazing

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[QUOTE=mooby;1262298][IMG]https://i.redd.it/k5froan8sus51.png[/IMG]



Where's the lie?[/QUOTE]The "lie" is in the hypocrisy. If a muslim judge were to be nominated, and the republicans were to react as this quote says (and some would [emoji852] ) the same democrats using her religion as a deterrent now would be claiming you can't use religion as a test.

It is the underlying problem that is bigger than Trump or Biden, why media bias is only a tip of the iceberg and why otherwise reasonable men and women can come into web forums and be at odds with each other to the point of complete disengagement.

The "it" is hypocrisy. Everyone of us on this forum, including me, has let it seep into the discussion. It is why the US has no underlying unity any more and why the media can spin things left right up and down. The US as a whole suffers from the disease of its ok if its my side doing it

I feel like solidsnake now but we are very literally doomed as a country because of it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1262314]The "lie" is in the hypocrisy. If a muslim judge were to be nominated, and the republicans were to react as this quote says (and some would [emoji852] ) the same democrats using her religion as a deterrent now would be claiming you can't use religion as a test.

It is the underlying problem that is bigger than Trump or Biden, why media bias is only a tip of the iceberg and why otherwise reasonable men and women can come into web forums and be at odds with each other to the point of complete disengagement.

[B]The "it" is hypocrisy. Everyone of us on this forum[/B], including me, has let it seep into the discussion. It is why the US has no underlying unity any more and why the media can spin things left right up and down. The US as a whole suffers from the disease of its ok if its my side doing it

I feel like solidsnake now but we are very literally doomed as a country because of it.

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Ah, but I'm not saying all Republicans would react in that manner. The hardcore Christians and the racists using conservatives to further their agenda would though.

I agree with you on the bolded part though. And I think it's only going to get worse in the next few months, no matter if Trump wins or loses. But it starts at the top with him. We will never agree or compromise on anything when our leader won't set the example.

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[quote=Chico23231;1262311]Quoting an outright Anti Semitic. JFC...amazing[/quote]

You're not worth the effort Chico. Have a good day.

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[quote=mooby;1262323]You're not worth the effort Chico. Have a good day.[/quote]

Wait, you don’t want to hear my hypothetical if the nominee was orthodox Jewish what Ilan Omar would say?

She is an outright anti Semitic with a history of statements and policy proposals. You are just fine with it. White gop’er saying this you would have a meltdown. This is a problem.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1262321]Ah, but I'm not saying all Republicans would react in that manner. The hardcore Christians and the racists using conservatives to further their agenda would though.



I agree with you on the bolded part though. And I think it's only going to get worse in the next few months, no matter if Trump wins or loses. But it starts at the top with him. We will never agree or compromise on anything when our leader won't set the example.[/QUOTE]And I am not saying all Democrats would react hypocritically. Although in both parties the higher up the totem pole the more hypocrisy shines through.


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[quote=SunnySide;1261476]Lol y’all know Chico is just messing with you all.[/quote]

See, the sad thing is we know he isn't.

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The paralegal cubicle outside my office is playing the Barrett confirmation hearings out loud .. so I get the joy of listening to the whole thing.

While I do wish SCOTUS nominees would have more than 3 years experience on the bench, she does sound qualified. Much better temparment than Kavanaugh who frankly seemed to be too emotionally fragile.

Constitution originalists like Scalia kinda scare me. They believe the protections under the Constitution are only for what is expressly stated within the 4 corners of the document. A document ratified in 1787. Anything else should fall under "states rights".

They do not believe the Constitution is a living document to be interpreted and applied to modern times and context.

^^ that sounds acceptable? right?

Except these same "originalists" selectively choose when to be "states rights" and other times ignores "original intent" approach when it does not benefit their conservative view.

Example?

Abortion.

No where in the constitution is the word 'abortion" used. yet these originalists use word play and interpretation to make abortion illegal under the Constitution.

If the Constitution does not expressly forbid abortion ... then there should not be any constitutional challenges to abortion laws.

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A Hawaii (female) Senator asked ACB if she was ever a sexual predator. Seriously, WTF? Is this a confirmation hearing or a persecution? Feels more like the Salem Witch Trials.

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“Don’t think when you have established the rule of ‘because we can,’ that should the shoe be on the other foot, you will have any credibility to come to us and say: ‘yeah, I know you can do that, but you shouldn’t,’” Whitehouse said. “Your credibility to make that argument at any time in the future will die in this room and on that Senate floor if you continue.”

The Rhode Island Democrat succinctly stated what’s on everyone’s mind: Once Barrett is confirmed, all bets are off about how the Senate — and the Supreme Court — might look a few months from now if Democrats sweep in November.
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/your-credibility-will-die-in-this-room/ar-BB1a4rvd?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

Watching the live clip of his full comments ... he basically put the Republicans on notice. By not confirming Obama's nominee with 11 months left "because the American people should have a say" and then rushing Barrett's confirmation in days before election day ..

Civility and statesmanship, whatever was left of it, has died.

If the Dems take the Presidency and Senate ... how can republicans be taken seriously when they object to the Dems rushing through judicial appointments or whatever else they want to do. Senate minority has been rendered toothless over the past 4 years.