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If we draft Edmunds where would he play?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192937]If we draft Edmunds where would he play?[/quote]

ILB in base. In nickel, hybrid safety / LB. Would match him up against Zach Ertz man on man without hesitation.

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[quote=jamf;1192936]That percentage drops to 54% when you factor in the 3 first round picks we used to get RG3.[/quote]

Exactly my point. And I'd remove RG3 as a pro bowl "hit". He obviously was a bust overall, despite making that pro bowl in the one season.

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Vita effing Vea. We simply cannot afford to get gashed up the middle anymore. It will make the entire front seven better. Payne would be my second choice. Second round trade down and get our third back.

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[quote=punch it in;1192940]Vita effing Vea. We simply cannot afford to get gashed up the middle anymore. It will make the entire front seven better. Payne would be my second choice. Second round trade down and get our third back.[/quote]

Need based drafting

:rolleyes:

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[quote=punch it in;1192940]Vita effing Vea. We simply cannot afford to get gashed up the middle anymore. It will make the entire front seven better. Payne would be my second choice. Second round trade down and get our third back.[/quote]

You’re forgetting that we had a very good run defense last year until Ionitas and Allen got hurt. They’re both back and healthy and we can hopefully rotate Phil Taylor in there. Using the 13th pick on a player who can’t rush the passer and would only play about 50% of snaps would be very very stupid of Bruce Allen.

We need to use the pick on a playermaker who will play close to 100 percent of snaps. At least one of Derwin James, Tremaine Edmunds, Roquan Smith, or Minkah Fitzpatrick will be there at 13. I’ll be extremely disappointed if we don’t take one of them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192918]Sorry? No disrespect intended.[/quote]

All good, I was messing, too many big words just gonna call him Vita.

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[quote=Schneed10;1192939]Exactly my point. And I'd remove RG3 as a pro bowl "hit". He obviously was a bust overall, despite making that pro bowl in the one season.[/quote]

I agree just thought it was an interesting stat.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1192944]Need based drafting



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I do not expect Barkley or anyone of that caliber to be available at 13 and would argue he is one of the top 15 guys available no doubt. How is that need based? Sounds like a perfect combination of need and bpa to me. Dude is an athletic freak for his size. He is going to be the pick if he is available so y’all better come around and hop on the V-train now. [emoji2]

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1192945]You’re forgetting that we had a very good run defense last year until Ionitas and Allen got hurt. They’re both back and healthy and we can hopefully rotate Phil Taylor in there. Using the 13th pick on a player who can’t rush the passer and would only play about 50% of snaps would be very very stupid of Bruce Allen.



We need to use the pick on a playermaker who will play close to 100 percent of snaps. At least one of Derwin James, Tremaine Edmunds, Roquan Smith, or Minkah Fitzpatrick will be there at 13. I’ll be extremely disappointed if we don’t take one of them.[/QUOTE]



Allen got hurt in his fifth game. Of those 5 games the Chiefs gashed us for almost 200 yards and Oakland had 120. So to say we had a very good run defense before he got hurt is just not true at all.
Furthermore when you got a guy like Vea eating up the middle of an offensive line is going to allow for the rest of the front 7 to better get to the passer. Since when is a NT’s number one job to rush the passer and there is no way he would play 50% of downs.

[url]https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Washington-s-Vita-Vea-will-devour-steaks-QBs-12861846.php[/url]

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No offense to Edmunds, but if he and Smith are both there when we pick I'd prefer Smith. He just reminds me of Derrick Brooks. He can cover a TE cause he is probably faster than all of them. And when he arrives to hit you're going down. Maybe I'm biased, didn't really see Edmunds or any Va Tech games.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192957]No offense to Edmunds, but if he and Smith are both there when we pick I'd prefer Smith. He just reminds me of Derrick Brooks. He can cover a TE cause he is probably faster than all of them. And when he arrives to hit you're going down. Maybe I'm biased, didn't really see Edmunds or any Va Tech games.[/quote]

Smith runs himself out of the play too often. He doesn't take on blocks head on, he tries to evade. He'll need to break that habit in the pros because there will be more athletic guys that can reach him.

I'd rather have Edmunds. But Smith is a good get too, this is a pretty nitpicky complaint because it can probably be coached.

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Edmunds is long and athletic but Smith is more polished at this time, again its a crapshoot tho

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Edmunds is 6-5 255 and runs a 4.54 40 and he’s only 19 years old... Cooley said athletically he’s the closest thing to LaVar he’s seen

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Of the guys that could slip to 13 I’d be thrilled with...
Fitzpatrick
James
Edmunds
Smith
Ward

I’ll be happy with...
Vea
Payne

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[quote=MTK;1192962]Of the guys that could slip to 13 I’d be thrilled with...
Fitzpatrick
James
Edmunds
Smith
Ward

I’ll be happy with...
Vea
Payne[/quote]

Co-signed. This is exactly where I am.

Ward may be somewhere between thrilled and happy for me. I'd be over the moon about the first 4, and over the moon if we trade down. Very happy with Ward, and happy with Vea or Payne.

I'll be pissed if it's Guice at 13. Really pissed.

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[quote=MTK;1192962]Of the guys that could slip to 13 I’d be thrilled with...
Fitzpatrick
James
Edmunds
Smith
Ward

I’ll be happy with...
Vea
Payne[/quote]

Thrilled:

Fitz
James
or
Trade back
to grab pick and still able to get one below-

Happy:
One of the DTs/Wil Hernandez/R Smith/Ward


Additional thrillness: 2nd Round...Hoping one of the RBs are there or Billy Price.

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[quote=Chico23231;1192964]Thrilled:

Fitz
James
or
Trade back
to grab pick and still able to get one below-

Happy:
One of the DTs/Wil Hernandez/R Smith/Ward


Additional thrillness: 2nd Round...Hoping one of the RBs are there or Billy Price.[/quote]

Really you'd be happy with Hernandez at 13?

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To go out for the 1st round or not go out, that is the question.

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[quote=MTK;1192962]Of the guys that could slip to 13 I’d be thrilled with...
Fitzpatrick
James
Edmunds
Smith
Ward

I’ll be happy with...
Vea
Payne[/quote]

I'd narrow this to Fitzpatrick, James, Vea, and Payne.

Our TE defense, and Run defense need to be addressed. I really still like our corners.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1192966]To go out for the 1st round or not go out, that is the question.[/quote]

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[quote=Schneed10;1192965]Really you'd be happy with Hernandez at 13?[/quote]

Yeah...he would be a long shot for sure.

The only reason I would get pissed off would be WR, TE, QB or Tackle at 13. No player skills set should be taken there...or one that really appeals to me.

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Lol, yep. Just got a 12 pack of beer from my boss for professional day or whatever fake holiday today is. Looking like its staying in. Guaranteed volume that way too.

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Trade down to recoup 3rd rounder;
Draft Vea or Payne in 1st;
Draft James Daniels, Will Hernandez, Isaiah Wynn, or Billy Price in 2nd; and
Draft Rashaad Penny in 3rd

This would tickle me in all the right places.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1192954]Allen got hurt in his fifth game. Of those 5 games the Chiefs gashed us for almost 200 yards and Oakland had 120. So to say we had a very good run defense before he got hurt is just not true at all.
Furthermore when you got a guy like Vea eating up the middle of an offensive line is going to allow for the rest of the front 7 to better get to the passer. Since when is a NT’s number one job to rush the passer and there is no way he would play 50% of downs.

[url]https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Washington-s-Vita-Vea-will-devour-steaks-QBs-12861846.php[/url][/QUOTE]



Chiefs ran for 168 yards against us. And our opponents ran 2.7 yards per rush against us in games when Allen and ionitas were healthy.... that’s pretty darn good.

It’s not that I dont think Vea is good. If we traded down to the 20 or below I’d be fine taking him. But 13 is way too high for him. It would be a huge reach.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1192972]Chiefs ran for 168 yards against us. And our opponents ran 2.7 yards per rush against us in games when Allen and ionitas were healthy.... that’s pretty darn good.

It’s not that I dont think Vea is good. If we traded down to the 20 or below I’d be fine taking him. But 13 is way too high for him. It would be a huge reach.


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I agree.
My perfect scenario is trade down, Vea/Payne then RB/G.

But if we don't trade down I want a true unique playmaker like Edmunds.

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We are trading down folks get ready

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1192972]Chiefs ran for 168 yards against us. And our opponents ran 2.7 yards per rush against us in games when Allen and ionitas were healthy.... that’s pretty darn good.

It’s not that I dont think Vea is good. If we traded down to the 20 or below I’d be fine taking him. But 13 is way too high for him. It would be a huge reach.


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Well we can agree to disagree about Vea. He is a freak athlete for his size and will absolutely be an immediate impact player wherever he winds up imo.Not sure why everyone seems to think this guy is a reach at 13 but time will tell.
Anyway there is no scenario where we trade down and still get him. We might be able to trade down and still get Payne which would be ok. I just think Vea is going to be a beast.

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Champions are built in the trenches and Vita effin Vea is a huge piece of trench with unbelievable speed and agility for his size.

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[quote=punch it in;1192975]Well we can agree to disagree about Vea. He is a freak athlete for his size and will absolutely be an immediate impact player wherever he winds up imo.Not sure why everyone seems to think this guy is a reach at 13 but time will tell.[/quote]

cooleys film breakdown did it for me. He’s just not a pass rusher. teams that spend most of their time in the 3-4 and nickel shouldn’t take a pure run stuffer that high. He’s be coming off on 3rd down most of tihe time. It’s jus not getting the most bang for your buck.

Plus, with me personally, i don’t like him at 13 because i think at least one of those other 4 guys (2 DBs and 2 LBs) will be there and i personally like them better. This draft is supposedly pretty deep at rb and interior DL, so unless we trade down, I’d rather get a more talented player with our first and get DT And RB later. Or even not draft a DT in the first 4 rounds and sign Hankins.

We have room for significant improvement at almost every position (save for QB and OT). If we can’t ttade down, i want the best player on the board at 13. If the skins believe it’s Vea, then fine, but at 13 we can’t afford to reach even a little.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192974]We are trading down folks get ready

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It should depend on who is there when we pick. To trade back just to recoup a pick would be stupid.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1192977]cooleys film breakdown did it for me. He’s just not a pass rusher. teams that spend most of their time in the 3-4 and nickel shouldn’t take a pure run stuffer that high. He’s be coming off on 3rd down most of tihe time. It’s jus not getting the most bang for your buck.



Plus, with me personally, i don’t like him at 13 because i think at least one of those other 4 guys (2 DBs and 2 LBs) will be there and i personally like them better. This draft is supposedly pretty deep at rb and interior DL, so unless we trade down, I’d rather get a more talented player with our first and get DT And RB later. Or even not draft a DT in the first 4 rounds and sign Hankins.



We have room for significant improvement at almost every position (save for QB and OT). If we can’t ttade down, i want the best player on the board at 13. If the skins believe it’s Vea, then fine, but at 13 we can’t afford to reach even a little.[/QUOTE]



He isn’t a pass rusher because he ate up two guys on every play. He allowed their pass rushers to dominate. He will do the same thing at the next level. So to me we are getting the run stuffer and he makes our ends better. He makes our dbs better as a result to. He eats up blockers. Ends get to the quarterback quicker. Quarterback has to release the ball faster. Total bang for the buck. You can draft an edge rusher but with a hole in the middle it will be more of the same. Gashed up the middle. Anyway we will see what happens. Imo the only way we do not get him is if he goes ahead of us and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

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Is it a possibility we stick at 13 than trade back in the second to pick up a third?

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[quote=punch it in;1192980]Is it a possibility we stick at 13 than trade back in the second to pick up a third?[/quote]

Good idea, although I doubt it would happen.. They would need to add an extra 2018 pick or a 2019 pick.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1192981]Good idea, although I doubt it would happen.. They would need to add an extra 2018 pick or a 2019 pick.[/QUOTE]



Gotcha. Id do that but im extremely impatient. Anyway. I had my buddy design this prototype jersey. If things go the way I expect them to ill be rocking this next year......
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[QUOTE=punch it in;1192979]He isn’t a pass rusher because he ate up two guys on every play. He allowed their pass rushers to dominate. He will do the same thing at the next level. So to me we are getting the run stuffer and he makes our ends better. He makes our dbs better as a result to. He eats up blockers. Ends get to the quarterback quicker. Quarterback has to release the ball faster. Total bang for the buck. You can draft an edge rusher but with a hole in the middle it will be more of the same. Gashed up the middle. Anyway we will see what happens. Imo the only way we do not get him is if he goes ahead of us and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.[/QUOTE]


This is changing the subject a bit, but If we don’t get Vea or Payne, i think there’s an extremely good chance we sign Hankins, who would not only fill that need in the middle of our d-like, but is the best free agent still out there by far. There are no comparable free agents out there at our other positions of need.

My dream scenario is that we sign edmunds/Fitzpatrick/smith/James with our first, Nab a guard with our second, Sign Hankins, Sign CJ Anderson.




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We lost 2 young starting caliber DBs (Bree and Fuller), and gave up on another young dB (Sua). Ok Sua gave up on us. Either way, our secondary is dramatically weaker than it has been the last few years. Either 1st or 2nd round pick has to be a DB.

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I'm going to echo some of you guys who have been listening to the Cooley film breakdowns.

If we make a pick at 13 and don't trade back, get a game changing All Pro caliber talent, Edmunds, Fitzpatrick, James, Smith, or whoever.

I would rather have an All pro caliber talent at any position, than an above average player at a position of need. Stars make plays and change games.

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[quote=skinsy;1192984]We lost 2 young starting caliber DBs (Bree and Fuller), and gave up on another young dB (Sua). Ok Sua gave up on us. Either way, our secondary is dramatically weaker than it has been the last few years. Either 1st or 2nd round pick has to be a DB.[/quote]

I hear you, but I'd counterbalance that reminding that we should be expecting quite a lot of improvement from [U]Moreau[/U] and [U]Nicholson[/U] in their second years, [U]Dunbar[/U] should also have room for improvement entering his 5th year at this position, and we signed [U]Scandrick[/U].

So I'd say improving our [B]front 7[/B] still is a higher priority.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1192979]He isn’t a pass rusher because he ate up two guys on every play. He allowed their pass rushers to dominate. He will do the same thing at the next level. So to me we are getting the run stuffer and he makes our ends better. He makes our dbs better as a result to. He eats up blockers. Ends get to the quarterback quicker. Quarterback has to release the ball faster. Total bang for the buck. You can draft an edge rusher but with a hole in the middle it will be more of the same. Gashed up the middle. Anyway we will see what happens. Imo the only way we do not get him is if he goes ahead of us and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.[/QUOTE]


He isn’t a pass rusher because he doesn’t have any moves and he needs a lot of work in that area of his game, listen to Cooley’s breakdown.

He wins with power and as strong as he is the ridiculous mismatches he has in college aren’t going to happen nearly as often in the pros.

I don’t have any problem with taking him if Fitzpatrick, James, Edmunds, and Smith are gone by then, which certainly could happen.