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Why is 3 weeks too long? It shouldn't be an easy or quick process to get a gun.

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[quote=MTK;1281176]Why is 3 weeks too long? It shouldn't be an easy or quick process to get a gun.[/quote]

Ok 2 week max licensing and 3 year mandatory federal sentence for each illegal gun possessed first and 5 year mandatory second offense?

It’s called working across the aisle. Compromise?

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[quote=Chico23231;1281178]Ok 2 week max licensing and 3 year mandatory federal sentence for each illegal gun possessed first and 5 year mandatory second offense?

It’s called working across the aisle. Compromise?[/quote]

Fine with me. Not a big fan of mandatory sentences, but bottom line is more needs to be done than just background checks.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281178]Ok 2 week max licensing and 3 year mandatory federal sentence for each illegal gun possessed first and 5 year mandatory second offense?

It’s called working across the aisle. Compromise?[/quote]

Deal.

Nice video Matty, that seems like a sensible solution.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281175]^speed that up from 3 weeks to 1 and I wouldn’t have a problem

Look this is by far the biggest issue:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/[/url]

New evidence confirms what gun rights advocates have said for a long time about crime

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else

If you want to stop gun crime, stop the person from possession of an illegal gun as evidence shows persons with illegal own guns commit gun crimes.

Mandatory 3 year federal sentence for each gun in your possession illegally first offense. 5 year mandatory second offense or a felon in possession of an illegal gun.

This isn’t hard people, but if your not gonna lock up the people who are most likely gonna use an illegal gun immediately then don’t talk gun control cause your not serious about it.

Biden should announce my policy today[/quote]

I’d take it a step further. Since over 50% of guns used in crimes are stolen have an automatic prison sentence, i let you decide Chico but I demand at least a year, if a gun you owned was used in a crime and not reported stolen prior. We all know “stolen” is just code for given away or lazy gun owner any ways

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1281192]I’d take it a step further. Since over 50% of guns used in crimes are stolen have an automatic prison sentence, i let you decide Chico but I demand at least a year, if a gun you owned was used in a crime and not reported stolen prior. We all know “stolen” is just code for given away or lazy gun owner any ways[/quote]

We actually have a city law here you must report stolen firearms as lazy gun owners who don’t secure are held accountable. Something to thing about

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12 shot in the Richmond city since Easter. 6 deaths...5 victims 21 years or younger including a 15 year old.

March 27 we had a 13 year old girl shot and killed by a 15 year old boy in the county.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281213]12 shot in the Richmond city since Easter. 6 deaths...5 victims 21 years or younger including a 15 year old.

March 27 we had a 13 year old girl shot and killed by a 15 year old boy in the county.[/quote]

Has the NRA been notified?

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[quote=Chico23231;1281203]We actually have a city law here you must report stolen firearms as lazy gun owners who don’t secure are held accountable. Something to thing about[/quote]

That is good IMO. Obviously my experience shapes my views. I have a younger brother in his mid 30s who has been less than responsible he lives down in Suffolk not sure if this has been implemented down there but wasn't at the time.

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[URL="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23140441/uvalde-shooting-robb-elementary-school-texas"]What we know about the Uvalde elementary school shooting[/URL]

When are we going to do something about this?? I already know the answer, as long as the NRA has politicians in their back pocket, nothing will change.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTmKqtPWAAEfjJ_?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1316919][URL="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23140441/uvalde-shooting-robb-elementary-school-texas"]What we know about the Uvalde elementary school shooting[/URL]

When are we going to do something about this?? I already know the answer, as long as the NRA has politicians in their back pocket, nothing will change.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTmKqtPWAAEfjJ_?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]

I’m sick of this shit. I say start with the Covid money gift wrap to the teacher union which hasn’t been spent and commit to at least 1 off duty officer or human resource officer at every school. It’s the world we live. How do we have security at sporting events, concerts, airports and not a school? It doesn’t make sense.

It’s too soft of a target

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[quote=Chico23231;1316923]I’m sick of this shit. I say start with the Covid money gift wrap to the teacher union which hasn’t been spent and commit to at least 1 off duty officer or human resource officer at every school. It’s the world we live. How do we have security at sporting events, concerts, airports and not a school? It doesn’t make sense.

It’s too soft of a target[/quote]

You need to shut the fuck up. Bringing up Teachers Unions has nothing to do with what happen and the deaths of 14 children! You forget Teachers died in this shooting!

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[quote=MTK;1316919][URL="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23140441/uvalde-shooting-robb-elementary-school-texas"]What we know about the Uvalde elementary school shooting[/URL]

When are we going to do something about this?? I already know the answer, as long as the NRA has politicians in their back pocket, nothing will change.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTmKqtPWAAEfjJ_?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]


It has to be a comprehensive plan. Licensing gun Owners and mental Health evaluations need to be tied together.

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[URL="https://elections.bradyunited.org/take-action/nra-donations-116th-congress-senators"]Blood Money[/URL]

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we failed them

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTmcNoxWQAAlrkn?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1316929][URL="https://elections.bradyunited.org/take-action/nra-donations-116th-congress-senators"]Blood Money[/URL][/quote]

I could post the blood money to pro abortion groups.

Like I’ve said before, if you don’t support locking up folks caught with an illegal gun the first time with mandatory sentences then you actually don’t care about gun violence in this country. As all the data shows, the majority of people who commit gun crime illegally posses the fire arm. Start here and enforce the laws on the books.

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Also, why can’t social media accounts with Twitter, Facebook, etc have an algorithm that alerts when pictures of weapons with posts of threats? Seems like we could do more here.

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[quote=MTK;1316930]we failed them

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTmcNoxWQAAlrkn?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]

RIP

Just how can you shoot a child? My mind can not even grasp it at all.

My daughter is their age, her and her friends are just so innocent. I can't even spank my kids.

This hurts my heart so bad.

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[quote=Chico23231;1316932]Also, why can’t social media accounts with Twitter, Facebook, etc have an algorithm that alerts when pictures of weapons with posts of threats? Seems like we could do more here.[/quote]

What this is equal too 9/11 etc...its a sucker punch of the highest degree.

If you or I were walking down the street and some random jack off just to decide to come up and punch us from our blind spot; there is not much predicting that. Random acts of shit.

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Think of this, all those kids did yesterday is go to school, they hurt no one, they didn't even know the 18 year old that came to their school and killed them. Politics has to be put aside by all and come up with a solution.

I have three Teachers in the family and have "help" them fortify their classrooms but there are no weapons ,none. They do have plans and lock down scenarios. Yet what do these Teachers do when the children are outside playing?

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[quote=Chico23231;1316931]I could post the blood money to pro abortion groups.

Like I’ve said before, if you don’t support locking up folks caught with an illegal gun the first time with mandatory sentences then you actually don’t care about gun violence in this country. As all the data shows, the majority of people who commit gun crime illegally posses the fire arm. Start here and enforce the laws on the books.[/quote]

STFU! Seriously!

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All the “Defund the Police” folks who agreed with removing police and resource officers at schools…you have had 288 shooting at schools this year and now this.

Blood on your hands

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[quote=mredskins;1316933]RIP

Just how can you shoot a child? My mind can not even grasp it at all.

My daughter is their age, her and her friends are just so innocent. I can't even spank my kids.

This hurts my heart so bad.[/quote]

I pray for Parents like you, seriously I do. My parents never had this worry and I never had to sit down with my kids and talk to them about shootings at school Now the Teachers in my family are going to have to talk to the children in their class's about what happen and "reassure them" that things will be fine. Truth is unless politics can be put aside it will never be fine.

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[quote=Chico23231;1316938]All the “Defund the Police” folks who agreed with removing police and resource officers at schools…you have had 288 shooting at schools this year and now this.

Blood on your hands[/quote]

You're fucking clueless!

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[quote=Giantone;1316940]You're fucking clueless![/quote]

[url]https://www.edweek.org/leadership/defunded-removed-and-put-in-check-school-police-a-year-after-george-floyd/2021/06[/url]

Defunded, Removed, and Put in Check: School Police a Year After George Floyd

Policies like these always fail

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[quote=Giantone;1316939]I pray for Parents like you, seriously I do. My parents never had this worry and I never had to sit down with my kids and talk to them about shootings at school Now the Teachers in my family are going to have to talk to the children in their class's about what happen and "reassure them" that things will be fine. Truth is unless politics can be put aside it will never be fine.[/quote]

My kids literally practice drills for school shooters. If you ask my daughter she will rap off the whole list of stuff she is suppose to do in the event of a shooter.

I can't imagine being ten and knowing at your school someone could possible come in and shoot you some day.

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Sandy Hook was 10 years ago and we can't even get bipartisan gun control measures in place. What the fuck are we doing?

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[quote=mredskins;1316933]RIP

Just how can you shoot a child? My mind can not even grasp it at all.

My daughter is their age, her and her friends are just so innocent. I can't even spank my kids.

This hurts my heart so bad.[/quote]

This is what I don't understand. What makes someone so broken and sadistic that this can ever be a possibility? And how do we identify and help these people or if help is not an option, get them off the streets?

It's hard to find a solution to identifying the .1% of sick fucks we have in a country of 300+ million people, and monitoring them forever and taking whatever action is needed.

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I'm sure a school safety officer or a teacher with a gun would have fared a lot better

[QUOTE]@NatashaBertrand
Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells
@andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.[/QUOTE]

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTkHVHNWAAI1vtz?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1316944]Sandy Hook was 10 years ago and we can't even get bipartisan gun control measures in place. What the fuck are we doing?[/quote]

This is so true. Gun control needs to be at the national level, local level just doesn't work but the data shows at a national level it does. The NRA is a problem being a divisive wedge that it used to not be. Bipartisan politics are also a major problem. While I agree with the hard line Democrats tend to take with assault weapons we need to start somewhere. The dems have clear control of congress and White House. There are still a few moderate republicans left. They seriously need to sit down with Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Murkowski, Romney and find what they can support in terms of gun control. If it is a baby step so be it.

Texas and Uvalde County also deserve a lot of blame. An elementary school with 1,100 students? That is a problem. A school where there is outside access by anybody other the faculty? That is a problem. Lack of SROs? That is a problem.

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[quote=Chico23231;1316931]I could post the blood money to pro abortion groups.

Like I’ve said before, if you don’t support locking up folks caught with an illegal gun the first time with mandatory sentences then you actually don’t care about gun violence in this country. As all the data shows, the majority of people who commit gun crime illegally posses the fire arm. Start here and enforce the laws on the books.[/quote]

Do you just pull irrelevant shit out of your ass or did you get your Foxnews talking points mixed up.

This gunman legally owned a gun in a red state that enforces these laws.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1316950]
Texas and Uvalde County also deserve a lot of blame. An elementary school with 1,100 students? That is a problem. A school where there is outside access by anybody other the faculty? That is a problem. Lack of SROs? That is a problem.[/quote]

Republicans wet dream, Donald Trump Elementary!
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Chico sometimes you expose yourself as egregiously uninformed.

This gunman was shot at by law enforcement before he even entered the school. WTF is a school resource officer going to do?

There are crazy people in every country. There is racism in every country. There are poor people from rough upbringings in every country. But mass shootings only happen here. Because of access to guns. That's it, that's the difference.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTnXMABWUAI1HqL?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

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[quote=jamf;1316953]Republicans wet dream, Donald Trump Elementary!
[IMG]https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/11/19/USAT/3219f6b1-ceae-484a-b4d9-669191f826f8-b01_coleman_0623.JPG?crop=4217,2372,x0,y371&width=3200&height=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp[/IMG][/quote]

I did walk into that.... My school district requires outside doors to be locked. That doesn't mean we can't go outside but every visitor must be let in separately. They can't just walk in if they feel like it. It is a preventative measure for myriad of societal issues: active assailants, drug dealers, legal custodial issues (this is the most common) among others. It is not the same as school was in the 20th century that is for sure.

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[quote=Schneed10;1316955]Chico sometimes you expose yourself as egregiously uninformed.

This gunman was shot at by law enforcement before he even entered the school. WTF is a school resource officer going to do?

There are crazy people in every country. There is racism in every country. There are poor people from rough upbringings in every country. But mass shootings only happen here. Because of access to guns. That's it, that's the difference.[/quote]

Yeah like that came out a couple hours ago…so not just got up to date with the latest info this morning. I def think security for schools would help deter soft targets and protect these kids.

Also looks like he passed two background checks, But I don’t have a problem with the HR-8 background legislation that’s out there.

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[quote=jamf;1316951]Do you just pull irrelevant shit out of your ass or did you get your Foxnews talking points mixed up.

This gunman legally owned a gun in a red state that enforces these laws.[/quote]

If he had a handgun, I don’t think that’s legally possessed in Texas.

Yes, mandatory jail time for illegally possession of a gun. I don’t see a problem as there is clear correlation with gun crime and folks who commit it are overwhelming using an illegal weapon.

You think it’s ok Jamf to walk around with an illegal weapon? Concealed too? I don’t know, I believe in filling up those jails with criminals.

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Here are some stories of who the victims are:

[url]https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/25/remembering-the-victims-of-the-uvalde-elementary-school-shooting/[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1316962]Here are some stories of who the victims are:

[url]https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/25/remembering-the-victims-of-the-uvalde-elementary-school-shooting/[/url][/quote]

Just terrible and sad. How could someone do this to children just beyond any reason.