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[quote=Schneed10;1160367]Correct, but Gus Bradley is part of the club. Worked under Jon Gruden in Tampa from '06 - '08, and left to become Seattle's D coordinator in '09 when Gruden was let go from Tampa.

Gus Bradley was defensive quality control coach for Monte Kiffin in 2006, and then took over coaching the linebackers in 2007 when none other than Joe Barry left to become the coordinator of the Lions.

That period of course overlapped with Jay Gruden's time in Tampa, when he was an offensive assistant.

And then in 2009 when Bradley joined the Seahawks as the defensive coordinator from 2009 - 2012, that period overlapped with Scot McCloughan's tenure in Seattle, when he was a personnel executive there supporting Jon Schneider from 2010 - 2014.

Guaranteed Bradley is the top D coordinator target. Redskins One will be fueled up the moment our season ends.[/quote]

I like Bradley, so I hope your prophecy becomes true. We could certainly do a lot worse than him.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1160370]From what I've read Bradley fielded horrid defenses early on in his tenure I'm Sea because he had no talent to work with. It wasn't until his units were stacked with perennial players that he started to look like a defensive guru. If he comes here and still has the same players that Coach Barry has the D will not fare that much better.

That being said The Jags defense is rated very high this season so when Gus does have talent he can do a little something something. Barry has never had that chance. Each defense he over saw had a litany of jabronis that were out of the leauge in year. When he was The Chargers LB coach his unit was the strength of the D and his players spoke very highly of him.[/quote]

I definitely don't think Barry was dealt a great hand in personnel this year, but this kind of overlooks the fact that we're a worse defense this year by all measures despite adding Josh Norman and changing very little else.

We're allowing more 3rd down conversions this year than we did last year. The conversion rate we're allowing on 3rd downs is among the worst rates in league history, let alone worst in the NFL this year.

It wasn't that bad last year, so why'd it get worse? Good coaches make at least a little bit of lemonade out of lemons. I just can't point to an area where Barry has made an improvement year over year, it's just not happening.

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[quote=Schneed10;1160373]I definitely don't think Barry was dealt a great hand in personnel this year, but this kind of overlooks the fact that we're a worse defense this year by all measures despite adding Josh Norman and changing very little else.

We're allowing more 3rd down conversions this year than we did last year. The conversion rate we're allowing on 3rd downs is among the worst rates in league history, let alone worst in the NFL this year.

It wasn't that bad last year, so why'd it get worse? Good coaches make at least a little bit of lemonade out of lemons. I just can't point to an area where Barry has made an improvement year over year, it's just not happening.[/quote]

Guy makes a killer milk shake

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[url=http://local12.com/sports/bengals/guenther-says-hes-under-contract-with-bengals-for-2017-and-plans-return]Guenther says he's under contract with Bengals for 2017 and plans return | WKRC[/url]

Along with Gus....another guy to watch

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[quote=Chico23231;1160377][url=http://local12.com/sports/bengals/guenther-says-hes-under-contract-with-bengals-for-2017-and-plans-return]Guenther says he's under contract with Bengals for 2017 and plans return | WKRC[/url]

Along with Gus....another guy to watch[/quote]

That's coach speak for get me on the next plane out of here?

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/broncos/2016/12/29/wade-phillips-future-free-agent-denver-defensive-coordinator/95978848/]Broncos defensive coordinator Wade Phillips could soon be free agent[/url]

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[quote=SirLK26;1160385][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/broncos/2016/12/29/wade-phillips-future-free-agent-denver-defensive-coordinator/95978848/]Broncos defensive coordinator Wade Phillips could soon be free agent[/url][/quote]

Their whole premise is that if he isn't resigned he'll be on the market? Weak. I'd love to have him but they are basically saying Elway might just not resign the architect of the sole reason they have a good team.

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Well, they inferred that Denver might be inclined to let him walk because they have an assistant they like for the job

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I have always liked really successful NFL coordinators that were so successful they were given a head coaching job. Failed as head coach and are back to being successful coordinators, where they belong.
Wade Phillips and Norv Turner come to mind.
Excellent and qualified coordinators, not made to be head coach.
I really do not want us to waste time with young, unproven, inexperienced and not yet successful coordinators.
I do not care the Wade Phillips and Norv Turner are considered old. I consider it a good thing. The best coaches I ever had the privilege to be coached by were older guys that have a ton of experience.
I do like our current offensive and defensive coordinators. They are helping, they are part of the problem.

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[quote=SirLK26;1160389]Well, they inferred that Denver might be inclined to let him walk because they have an assistant they like for the job[/quote]

The article mentions they like his assistants, but doesn't specifically single one out as being ready for the job. That's why I felt it was weak. It kinda dances between "they couldn't come to a contract agreement last offseason" and "he's got good assistants that they like." I don't think either is a good enough reason to let Phillips walk.

Either way, if they do let Phillips walk, I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat. But we already had our chance once, and I'm not sure but I don't think he falls in the "Tampa North" thing we do.

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[quote=Schneed10;1160367]Correct, but Gus Bradley is part of the club. Worked under Jon Gruden in Tampa from '06 - '08, and left to become Seattle's D coordinator in '09 when Gruden was let go from Tampa.

Gus Bradley was defensive quality control coach for Monte Kiffin in 2006, and then took over coaching the linebackers in 2007 when none other than Joe Barry left to become the coordinator of the Lions.

That period of course overlapped with Jay Gruden's time in Tampa, when he was an offensive assistant.

And then in 2009 when Bradley joined the Seahawks as the defensive coordinator from 2009 - 2012, that period overlapped with Scot McCloughan's tenure in Seattle, when he was a personnel executive there supporting Jon Schneider from 2010 - 2014.

Guaranteed Bradley is the top D coordinator target. Redskins One will be fueled up the moment our season ends.[/quote]

Hmmmm ... Where have I heard this before? Oh, now I remember:

[quote=JoeRedskin;1159119]So, just throwing this out there ...

Anyone else realize that the recently fired Gus Bradley has connections to Jay Gruden, Bruce Allen [I][B]and[/B][/I] Scot McC?

- Bradley was TBay's LB coach from 2006-08 while BA was the GM (2004 - 08) and Gruden an offensive assistant (2002 -08).

- Bradley was Seahawks DC from 2009 - 12 while Scot McC a Senior Personnel Assistant (2010-2013).

In addition, per Twitter sources, Bradley was first hired into the pros by Monte Kiffin as a Quality Control Coach for TBay and was subsequently promoted to LB coach based on Joe Barry's suggestion when JB went to Detroit and, after Barry fired by Detroit and Bradley went to Seattle, Barry was rehired for as TBay's LB coach for the 2009 season.

If Barry doesn't turn it around in the next three games, I can see - and would have no problems with - Bradley being our next DC.[/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1160394]Hmmmm ... Where have I heard this before? Oh, now I remember:[/quote]

Ha! Great minds.

All I did was look at Jon Gruden's Wikipedia page just to see who were some of the guys he coached with. Little did I know you were a better source!

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[quote=SirLK26;1160385][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/broncos/2016/12/29/wade-phillips-future-free-agent-denver-defensive-coordinator/95978848/]Broncos defensive coordinator Wade Phillips could soon be free agent[/url][/quote]

It's definitely not a bad thing if multiple quality defensive coordinator candidates become available. This is the guy I wanted all along when we got rid of Haslett.

But even if we don't pursue Wade, he might intrigue another team who's looking at a D coordinator, which improves our chances at getting whoever else we target (whether Bradley or Guenther or whoever).

I hope the market gets flooded with good defensive coordinators.

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Anyone else feel like they would like Rex Ryan here for Dc... but feel like he's too big a personality or high profile to JUST be a coordinator? Especially with a head coach like Jay who, to me, is kind of on the softer side personality wise?

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[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/811332172577705984[/url]

This one play breakdown shows exactly why Joe Barry has no business being a defensive coordinator. It's all about knowing your personnel and running a scheme/plays to fit those players. Delayed safety blitzes without fast safeties isn't smart.


I think you guys are enjoy fantasies about any new DC coming here. The same thing will happen with Barry as it did with Haslett. Making the playoffs will save his job and he'll get another year(s). Hell, even if we don't make the playoffs, I still think they retain him.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Amidst-rumors-Redskins-address-defensive-coordinators-future-50116396]Amidst rumors, Redskins address defensive coordinator's future[/url]

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Sean-McVay-to-interview-with-Rams-this-week-50209487]Report: Sean McVay to interview with Rams this week[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1161113][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Sean-McVay-to-interview-with-Rams-this-week-50209487]Report: Sean McVay to interview with Rams this week[/url][/quote]

I don't think he will get the job but I kinda hope he will. I don't think we need to become a dominant run team but I'm tired of seeing us shying away from the run in games where we're losing.

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They are interviewing him to be the Head Coach? That is laughable. He can't even remember to run the ball or score in the red zone. He is going to be a Head Coach of the whole team? Good luck with that.

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Not including above, I want all of the coaches back next year to make 1 more run at it. I think our defense will be much approved next year and I'd like to see Barry have a fighting chance.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1161120]Not including above, I want all of the coaches back next year to make 1 more run at it. I think our defense will be much approved next year and I'd like to see Barry have a fighting chance.[/quote]

After seven years of total ineptitude on the defensive side(starting with Haslett and concluding with this season) I just want to see them somewhat serviceable. At this point I would give my Gram or nieces a shot at coordinating it if it would help. :confused?:

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1161176]After seven years of total ineptitude on the defensive side(starting with Haslett and concluding with this season) I just want to see them somewhat serviceable. At this point I would give my Gram or nieces a shot at coordinating it if it would help. :confused?:[/quote]

I am not opposed to giving your Gram a shot. At least with her the guys would get cookies or knit scarves or some shit. Barry did nothing for them

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1161176]After seven years of total ineptitude on the defensive side(starting with Haslett and concluding with this season) I just want to see them somewhat serviceable. At this point I would give my Gram or nieces a shot at coordinating it if it would help. :confused?:[/quote]

What do you think it would take to sign your nieces? I'd support hiring one as DC and one as OC. Also, do you think your Gram would be interested in coming out of retirement to interview for the HC position? I mean, I'm not bitter about Sunday's loss or anything like that but if we can do better...

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I'm fine with bringing another DC and I hope the team addresses the big holes on the defense.

I'm more concerned that with all the talent the offense has, we continue to put shit shows like this past Sunday. We have all this talent on offense, and the offense gets shut out in the first half and only manages to put up 10 points on the biggest game of the year? Ridiculous.

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Against top defenses yeah, an offense is going to shit the bed on occasion.

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[quote=MTK;1161378]Against top defenses yeah, an offense is going to shit the bed on occasion.[/quote]

But the game to get in the playoffs against division rival? That's unacceptable imo

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161378]Against top defenses yeah, an offense is going to shit the bed on occasion.[/QUOTE]



Kirk was clearly off even when he had time. Gruden could not speak apparently at the half to call a timeout and save enough time to gain ten more yards and get points. We cannot run block against anybody or ever score in the redzone. Giants might have a solid D, but we didn't help ourselves at all.

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It is funny. I know the defense was the culprit, but when you look at the talent on both sides who did a better job?
With all of our wr weapons and KC and the best LT in football how much credit does McVay deserve for moving the ball through the air between the 20's with ease? Our RZ issues, clock management, and disappearing act in crucial spots really speaks volumes about the coaching on that side of the ball.
Our D that really at the end of the day has two players plus Mason who is certainly not Ray Lewis.
Cravens was hurt and being moved around. Never really settled in. So we are talking about a couple of guys who would definitely start anywhere they went. Yet they kept points off the board, and played above their heads a lot.
Anyway I would not mind both of them being replaced though a loss of continuity would be damaging.

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In fact most of the time I'll take a top D over a top O. Look at how the Panthers got handled in the SB last year.

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[quote=punch it in;1161383]It is funny. I know the defense was the culprit, but when you look at the talent on both sides who did a better job?
With all of our wr weapons and KC and the best LT in football how much credit does McVay deserve for moving the ball through the air between the 20's with ease? Our RZ issues, clock management, and disappearing act in crucial spots really speaks volumes about the coaching on that side of the ball.
Our D that really at the end of the day has two players plus Mason who is certainly not Ray Lewis.
Cravens was hurt and being moved around. Never really settled in. So we are talking about a couple of guys who would definitely start anywhere they went. Yet they kept points off the board, and played above their heads a lot.
Anyway I would not mind both of them being replaced though a loss of continuity would be damaging.[/quote]

I agree.

Overall this season I was okay with the effort by the guys on defense.

At times the lack of effort by the offense wasn't acceptable. That was evident in the run game.

I'm not sure what part of it falls on the coordinators. Sometimes you also need a guy in the locker room that brings the better out of his teammates. Not sure we have that in the offense. As weak as he looked sometimes, Compton might be that guy for the defense.

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Here's something I find interesting: we are a PRETTY good pass blocking offensive line. Maybe top five? How is it that with all that talent we just suck ass at run blocking? Scheme, talent, all of the above?

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[quote=MTK;1161384]In fact most of the time I'll take a top D over a top O. Look at how the Panthers got handled in the SB last year.[/quote]

I totally agree but I think the way our team is built right now they are hoping our defense can just be good enough to win games, rather than be that dominant d that you can ride to a title. I sure wouldn't mind having one but I don't see it happening.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161389]Here's something I find interesting: we are a PRETTY good pass blocking offensive line. Maybe top five? How is it that with all that talent we just suck ass at run blocking? Scheme, talent, all of the above?[/quote]

I was going through the Profootball focus grades for the Oline...our 3 studs (silverblunted, Schreff and Moses) mostly all consistent with run and pass block. Louvao sucked at both but better run block.

But the real red flag for me was Spencer Long. He graded out as one of the best the pass blockers at Center. Guess what? One of the worst in the league at Run blocking. He was borderline terrible.

It needs to be addressed.

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Damn, that kind of sucks. So would you rather get someone mediocre at everything? I just think it would be tough to have top five at both run and pass across the board. How do other lines in the NFCE compare in run blocking?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161402]Damn, that kind of sucks. So would you rather get someone mediocre at everything? I just think it would be tough to have top five at both run and pass across the board. How do other lines in the NFCE compare in run blocking?[/quote]

I just think Long needs to be coached up, stronger and someone needs to be brought into challenge him. Run game must be improved.

Lauvao aka "Roller Skates" needs to hands down go.

I didn't look at the others olines, maybe get a chance tonight. And too "mediocre at everything"......being a Skins fan, my expectations is HOF baller at every position, even the kicker and punter. If not, see ya. :food-smil

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1161388]I agree.



Overall this season I was okay with the effort by the guys on defense.



At times the lack of effort by the offense wasn't acceptable. That was evident in the run game.



I'm not sure what part of it falls on the coordinators. Sometimes you also need a guy in the locker room that brings the better out of his teammates. Not sure we have that in the offense. As weak as he looked sometimes, Compton might be that guy for the defense.[/QUOTE]



Compton may be a fiery guy. I dont know, but he sucks. He cannot be a starter.

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Hahaha, I expect nothing less than baller-ness. Do you know if Koundijo had enough snaps to get graded? I wonder how his run blocking was.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161405]Hahaha, I expect nothing less than baller-ness. Do you know if Koundijo had enough snaps to get graded? I wonder how his run blocking was.[/quote]

Kujo didn't grade well anywhere. Nsekhe, Sullivan, Kory L all graded well for backups.

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Yikes. Cool, thanks for checking...

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[quote=Chico23231;1161407]Kujo didn't grade well anywhere. Nsekhe, Sullivan, Kory L all graded well for backups.[/quote]

Kory L might grade well, but that L in his last name isn't the only L he's been taking. If he doesn't retire we should move on.