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I will say this, I'm done with the running the ball BS. We simply can't do it. Can't even run on the Bucs. Not sure what the deal is but the line isn't opening any holes yet they seem much better in pass pro.

We need to spread the field out and let KC sling it around. Yeah KC's going to make some mistakes and what not, but I really don't give a damn. I would spread the field with a lot more empty stuff, put Thompson in there, get the ball out and go with that type of offense from here on out. KC has shown he can handle it, and the offense seems much more comfortable doing that.

I'd sprinkle in some run here and there but it's pretty obvious that this is something we're not going to fix until next year.

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Can't give up on the run. Bad idea.

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[quote=Mattyk;1126926]Can't give up on the run. Bad idea.[/quote]

Yup. Even when it's not working, if you quit on the run it makes it easier for the defense. Idk what the deal is with the running game but I feel part of the blame goes to the back (unfortunately I think AlfMo is probably gone after this year, he just doesn't look the same back there) and part of the blame is for our line, they aren't creating holes.

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So tired of 2nd and 10 or 12 everytime we run on 1st down. I'd rather just keep working the short passing game.

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[quote=mooby;1126937]Yup. Even when it's not working, if you quit on the run it makes it easier for the defense. Idk what the deal is with the running game but I feel part of the blame goes to the back (unfortunately I think AlfMo is probably gone after this year, he just doesn't look the same back there) and part of the blame is for our line, they aren't creating holes.[/quote]

Whatever it is, and I'm sure it's part the line and part on the backs, we're just not good at it. I would come out throwing, running the two minute stuff because it's what KC does well. Then start running the ball more later. But having the same script every week, trying to establish the run is not what this team can do right now.

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Watching Morris, he starts slow and gets stopped immediately. I've seen him in the past play like M. Lynch, he has to hit the hole hard and play with an attitude.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1126981]Watching Morris, he starts slow and gets stopped immediately. I've seen him in the past play like M. Lynch, he has to hit the hole hard and play with an attitude.[/quote]

Pretty much it. Most of the issues with Morris is.....Morris.

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/658759633344012288[/url]


Like SS said, RG3 had a large part to do with Alfred Morris success.

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My preseason take on Cousins:
[I]He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.[/I]

At the midway point I can't say my mind has changed much. I have seen growth in recovering from the big mistake but he still makes too many that he needs to recover from. Some point to the fact he's led three game winning or tying drives but his play also contributed to the need for those drives. Let's not forget he's looked bad vs 3 of the 4 good defenses we've played (NYG, NYJ, MIA) and coming into yesterday was averaging about 16.5 PPG which ain't good.

He clearly needs to be the QB for the remainder of the year. McCoy is no good and Gruden bailed on Griffin long ago. End of the day however, our 2016 starter isn't on our roster and Cousins will be a backup/fringe starter somewhere else.

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Crow is going to be a very consistent food source around here i can already tell..... not surprised

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[quote=Paintrain;1127007]My preseason take on Cousins:
[I]He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.[/I]

At the midway point I can't say my mind has changed much. I have seen growth in recovering from the big mistake but he still makes too many that he needs to recover from. Some point to the fact he's led three game winning or tying drives but his play also contributed to the need for those drives. Let's not forget he's looked bad vs 3 of the 4 good defenses we've played (NYG, NYJ, MIA) and coming into yesterday was averaging about 16.5 PPG which ain't good.

He clearly needs to be the QB for the remainder of the year. McCoy is no good and Gruden bailed on Griffin long ago. End of the day however, our 2016 starter isn't on our roster and Cousins will be a backup/fringe starter somewhere else.[/quote]

We rank 27th in yards per rush counting two dominant rushing games against Miami and St Louis:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt]2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

How many QBs in the league would be doing better against those teams with that kind of run game (Granted he had a really bad game against the Giants, it happens)?

Not counting the 1st two games we have to be averaging 2.5 yards a carry?

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They are calling out Luck in Indy so nothing surprises me ..Maybe the Colts will listen to there fans and cut luck or we can get him for a 4th round pick. Rogers would get negative reviews in redskin land. never mind the other 52 players its always the QB that needs to go.

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Gotta let the season play out and look at the whole body of work. It will change our opinions week to week. Thats the nature of the sport. Rite now qb is not as high on the list of needs as it was last week. Hopefully by the end of the year its not on the list at all.

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[quote=Meks;1127027]Crow is going to be a very consistent food source around here i can already tell..... not surprised[/quote]

if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1127034]if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow[/QUOTE]


If he leads us to victory against the pats ur eating an entire crow family. Even their crow dog.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1127030]We rank 27th in yards per rush counting two dominant rushing games against Miami and St Louis:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt]2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

How many QBs in the league would be doing better against those teams with that kind of run game (Granted he had a really bad game against the Giants, it happens)?

Not counting the 1st two games we have to be averaging 2.5 yards a carry?[/quote]
Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.

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[quote=Chico23231;1127034]if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow[/quote]

I just hope we compete next game, not like sundays 1st half we will be in real trouble... and... we need someone to play Gronk .. or somethin somehow against him

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[quote=Meks;1127049]I just hope we compete next game, not like sundays 1st half we will be in real trouble... and... [B]we need someone to play Gronk .. or somethin somehow against him[/B][/quote]

Back in the way back day, when one coach was asked how he planned to stop Bronko Nagurski, he shrugged: "With a shotgun as he's leaving the locker room."

Daring to be politically incorrect, I think that's about the only way we stop Gronk.

One of my favorite Nagurski'isms:
"Bronko Nagurski took a handoff, blasted through the opposition, crossed the goal line, and ran clear through the end zone and into a brick wall. 'That last guy hit me awfully hard,' he admitted later."

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;1127043]Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.



If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.



I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.



He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.



But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.[/QUOTE]


I agree ppg at 30 is bad. Out of curiosity did u account for other teams st and d ppg being taken out of the equation too?
Also mediocre to me for basically a rookie qb(in games played) is fine imo.
Edit : total points we are 18, and there isnt much drop off from number 10-18.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127043]Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying.

Where does he rank 1 to 32?

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at this point mediocre aint bad! Its not like we have choices. Colt is a true backup Qb and we are lucky to have him,but He is not a starter. I will say right now if the skins put cousins out as trade bait we could get a pretty high pick for him NOW..maybe a number 2 ..he would start for another team. We might have our starting QB..who knows ,at least we have somebody with upside potential.There has been hall of fame QB's that have been released from teams early in there career.please lets give Cousins all the support we can and we will all find out who he is.

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Wait.
Wait.

I think Kirk is average so far, but....

You are a fool if you think he running game has nothing to do with evaluating the QB position. Especially when half your playbook can be eliminated and the defense you play against is a determination of the running game and how successful it is.

Carry on....

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1127062]I understand what you're saying.

Where does he rank 1 to 32?[/quote]

Without doing a full drawn out ranking of everyone, I'd place him comfortably in the 18-22 range. He's in the Cutler, Hoyer, Alex Smith, Fitzgerald grouping.. He can put up a dazzling performance or a stinker equally.

He's below the tier of Stafford, Carr, Tanneyhill, Flacco, Ryan but ahead of the McCown, Taylor/Manuel, Bradford, Foles and the rookies tier..

Interested where others may place him.

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[quote=Bucket;1127077]Wait.
Wait.

I think Kirk is average so far, but....

You are a fool if you think he running game has nothing to do with evaluating the QB position. Especially when half your playbook can be eliminated and the defense you play against is a determination of the running game and how successful it is.

Carry on....[/quote]

Evaluating the position in terms of functioning within the scope of the offense, I'd agree but the things he struggle with (accuracy, turnovers) have zip to do with the running game. Those are purely his ability and decision making.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127079]Evaluating the position in terms of functioning within the scope of the offense, I'd agree but the things he struggle with (accuracy, turnovers) have zip to do with the running game. Those are purely his ability and decision making.[/quote]

Pretty easy to disagree with this. Considering throwing 20 times a game or 40 times is a huge variable in interceptions thrown.

It's easier for say.... Carson Palmer to make decisions on his throws when when he can throw from play action knowing defenses will bite. Or how tight the coverage is when rolling out, etc.

But anyhow.. I'll just agree to disagree because in a team game. It's difficult for me to believe the evaluation of 1 player has nothing to do with the other 10.

And this is coming from someone who played at a D1 level and fully understand its importance.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127043]Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.[/quote]

Agreed. Just ride it out with Cousins and grab a stud QB next year, so we can be just like the 31 other teams in the NFL who have future hall of famers that never throw interceptions. Piece of cake.

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[quote=44Deezel;1127082]Agreed. Just ride it out with Cousins and grab a stud QB next year, so we can be just like the 31 other teams in the NFL who have future hall of famers that never throw interceptions. Piece of cake.[/quote]
Yep, that's exactly what I said. Spot on interpretation.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127078]Without doing a full drawn out ranking of everyone, I'd place him comfortably in the 18-22 range. He's in the Cutler, Hoyer, Alex Smith, Fitzgerald grouping.. He can put up a dazzling performance or a stinker equally.

He's below the tier of Stafford, Carr, Tanneyhill, Flacco, Ryan but ahead of the McCown, Taylor/Manuel, Bradford, Foles and the rookies tier..

Interested where others may place him.[/quote]

I'd say that's pretty good for a guy who's only started 15 games. Sheehan had his stats at 4200 yds, 25TDs, 20INTs and 65% completion in those 15 games. Terrible. He refuses to acknowledge the 2013 Giants game though.

He may not be the long term answer, but the odds are against finding a better alternative anytime soon. McCloughan's history suggests he's more concerned with building the rest of the team while taking low risk shots at QB that may hit from time to time.

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Not sure I agree that inaccuracy or poor decisions (in big sums) have anything to do with the run game. I mean sure if you throw more your chances are greater, but its not like his int's are usually tipped or their is some fantastic play by the db. They are usually strait up head scratching fails that would not have a chance no matter what the situation.
That being said I think he can control that as he gains experience and if he is in the middle of the pack or close to it than I see zero problems with the position for the time being.

Edit: question is really - is he good enough to play qb if we put a stud team around him? Yes imo. Lets face it there arent to many brady's or rodger's out there that can carry a team. Look at Eli Manning. Dude is a turnover machine, but when he had a killer defense, and great oline with weapons he is an instant super bowl mvp. Go figure. You give KC a deep threat, little more up front, and a killer D and I think he can do the job for sure.

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[quote=Bucket;1127081]Pretty easy to disagree with this. Considering throwing 20 times a game or 40 times is a huge variable in interceptions thrown.

It's easier for say.... Carson Palmer to make decisions on his throws when when he can throw from play action knowing defenses will bite. Or how tight the coverage is when rolling out, etc.

But anyhow.. I'll just agree to disagree because in a team game. It's difficult for me to believe the evaluation of 1 player has nothing to do with the other 10.

And this is coming from someone who played at a D1 level and fully understand its importance.[/quote]
To clarify, a QB ability to make an accurate pass from a clean pocket, IMO, has nothing to do with a running game. A QB decision to throw into double coverage or stare down a receiver or bail out and throw off their back foot due to pressure has nothing to do with a running game.

Evaluating if they have the overall requisite skills to lead an offense competently and be a productive starter has everything to do with the other 10 players around him.

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Cousins is getting better all the time. He's cutting down on the crucial mistakes. We know he can lead a late comeback to win a game. He's proven that - which is a very big deal, IMO.

I wouldn't try to rank him at this point but I will say that I believe he hasn't nearly reached his full potential. As he gains more game experience and continues to progress, I think that most of us will begin to regard him as much more valuable than we consider him to be at the present time.

He got a key weapon back (Reed) against TB and he used that weapon well. I'm eager to see what he's able to do with with a full complement of receivers: DJax, Reed, Garcon, etc. It could be very exciting.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/28/kirk-cousins-named-nfc-offensive-player-of-the-week/]Kirk Cousins named NFC offensive player of the week | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Cousins!

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[quote=Chico23231;1127101][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/28/kirk-cousins-named-nfc-offensive-player-of-the-week/]Kirk Cousins named NFC offensive player of the week | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Cousins![/quote]

This season he has only had two bad games (Giants and Jets) a couple good games and a couple great games (Eagles and Bucs).

He spreads the ball around nicely and gets it out quick. I think given time he can and will be a really good NFL QB.

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Was listening to Cooley's film breakdown yesterday.There wwere a couple of throws that cousins made that I thought were terrible throws that Cooley said he thought the same thing till he watched the film.There was one to Crowder where he had to reach back and looked like he almost broke his leg reaching back for it.I thought that was a bad throw but Cooley said in his film breakdown that was a great throw,that it was placed where it needed to be and it kept Crowder from being laid out by the defender.Who knows? I know Cooley has a lot more football x's and o's knowledge then I do

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127099]Cousins is getting better all the time. He's cutting down on the crucial mistakes. We know he can lead a late comeback to win a game. He's proven that - which is a very big deal, IMO.

I wouldn't try to rank him at this point but I will say that I believe he hasn't nearly reached his full potential. As he gains more game experience and continues to progress, I think that most of us will begin to regard him as much more valuable than we consider him to be at the present time.

He got a key weapon back (Reed) against TB and he used that weapon well. I'm eager to see what he's able to do with with a full complement of receivers: DJax, Reed, Garcon, etc. It could be very exciting.[/quote]

I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.

I have never doubted his ability to play well on a game by game basis. I have, and continue to, doubt his ability to play well on a game [I]to[/I] game basis.

Right now, I remained unconvinced that this 27 year old QB is not the same generally inaccurate, interception machine he has been for his first four years in the league.

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Maybe kirk becomes another Romo like QB I hope so but it remains to be seen. The NE game is colossal for the redskins, can u imagine the circus if we beat them??

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1127107]Maybe kirk becomes another Romo like QB I hope so but it remains to be seen. The NE game is colossal for the redskins, can u imagine the circus if we beat them??[/quote]

We have not beaten them since 2003.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1127107]Maybe kirk becomes another Romo like QB I hope so but it remains to be seen. The NE game is colossal for the redskins, can u imagine the circus if we beat them??[/quote]

Nevermind the circus, I really can't imagine beating them. In Foxboro. With no running game. With no one to handle Gronk. With Belichek having extra time to prepare. etc. etc. etc.

OK, that does it, we're gonna win. HTTR!

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1127106]I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.



I have never doubted his ability to play well on a game by game basis. I have, and continue to, doubt his ability to play well on a game [I]to[/I] game basis.



Right now, I remained unconvinced that this 27 year old QB is not the same generally inaccurate, interception machine he has been for his first four years in the league.[/QUOTE]


Yes 27. Yes four years. But basically a rookie as far as playing time. If he truly had 4 years under his belt and was still making these mistakes the experiment would be over - imo these things can still be chalked up as rookie mistakes. Not to mention he has 7 starts total where he has been taking first team reps , etc. I like the improvements im seeing at this stage of his career (in dog years).

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[quote=punch it in;1127110]I like the improvements im seeing at this stage of his career (in dog years).[/quote]

"If worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't be scared of them."