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[quote=Giantone;895827]Not at all , the reason the Giants didn't throw money at him was becuase of his devastating knee injury and they wanted to see how he would heal well looks as if the Giants were correct in their medical evaluation of him,basicly he stole 2 million from the Eagles.



P.S.

Terrel Thomas will resign with the Giants they are very close to a deal.[/quote]


P.S.S. We don't care in this thread.




Are you ready for 2012, where the Giants have the second-best QB in the NFC East? :D

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[quote=Monkeydad;895828]P.S.S. We don't care in this thread.




Are you ready for 2012, where the Giants have the second-best QB in the NFC East? :D[/quote]


Why, did Peyton sign with the Cowboys?

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Ew. Watching those highlights reminds me of an embarressing time when we trotted Rex Grossman out under center. Even in his "highlights" you can see his truly impressive moments are few and far between.

Now I can't wait until we get to see RG3 start destroyin' mfers like the badass he is in September. I mean watch the highlights of the two players and you can tell it's not even a contest.

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Hey the Redskins beat the Giants twice last year no if or buts about it.I will accept this evey year as long as the result is the same ....a super bowl.
May I remind Skins fans that when the were the best ....they lost to a team that stunk ....the Cowboys and visa versa,it's why the games in the NFC east are so much fun,records don't matter.

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[quote=Giantone;895881]Hey the Redskins beat the Giants twice last year no if or buts about it.I will accept this evey year as long as the result is the same ....a super bowl.
May I remind Skins fans that when the were the best ....they lost to a team that stunk ....the Cowboys and visa versa,it's why the games in the NFC east are so much fun,records don't matter.[/quote]

Excellent points G1.

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[quote=Giantone;895881]Hey the Redskins beat the Giants twice last year no if or buts about it.I will accept this evey year as long as the result is the same ....a super bowl.
May I remind Skins fans that when the were the best ....they lost to a team that stunk ....the Cowboys and visa versa,it's why the games in the NFC east are so much fun,records don't matter.[/quote]

In 1995, Dallas Cowboys last Super Bowl year, the Redskins defeated twice that season and that Redskin team was 6-10 that season. The year the Giants played the Ravens in the Super Bowl, the 12-4 Giants and 8-8 Redskins split that year.

This past year....I don't know. It was opening day so everything was fresh. The Redskins were coming off of 6 straight losses to the Giants. We were do for a win against Big Blue. And later in the season, the Redskins caught the Giants at the right time. The Giants had just gotten blown out by the Saints on National TV. But all in all, that Giants team never lost again that season. Hypothetically speaking, had they played the Redskins in the playoffs, they would have lost that game too.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;895896]I Hypothetically speaking, had they played the Redskins in the playoffs, they would have lost that game too.[/quote]

Doubt it but in reality we know how it worked out.

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[quote=Giantone;895899]Doubt it but in reality we know how it worked out.[/quote]

Yes, it culminated in a strange turn of fortunes. A win against Atlanta and then a victory over a cold Green Bay team followed by a narrow achievement versus a 49ers team who committed two fluke special teams turnovers in order to enable a puzzling lucky Giants team to win that game and go into the Super Bowl to defeat a Patriots team that they had already beaten in the regular season.

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[quote=Monkeydad;895853][yt]k8obQpk3ZK4[/yt][/quote]The best part about this play is that Eli ran the exact same audible against us in 2009 on third and long and Manningham broke Smoot's faceplant tackle and Hall's mind trick tackle attempt and took it for a TD.

I think it was Pete Townshend who said: We won't get fooled again. And we didn't.

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[quote=mooby;895884]Excellent points G1.[/quote]

Hey mooby, why dont give him a kiss and get him a snack too.

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I don't know after watching some of those highlights and reading more about what some people have said here about his DUI's it reminds me a lot of back when we were going to get Haynesworth.

There were a lot of 'Yes we need him we'll be so good with him' and the few people that were saying cautiously that 'he could be a bust and that we're paying for what he's done in the past.' I'm started to tilt my arrow towards Don't Care either way of getting him and not getting him rather than 'I want him'. This could easily be another haynesworth signing and has a lot of similarities to him with the big pay day.

Btw, a lot of people are putting a lot of their eggs in the Hankerson basket. After he played 1 game to show us something. I want to see more than 1 game before I judge him. So far I've seen that he gets injured and can't hold onto the ball.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;895902]Yes, it culminated in a strange turn of fortunes. A win against Atlanta and then a victory over a cold Green Bay team followed by a narrow achievement versus a 49ers team who committed two fluke special teams turnovers in order to enable a puzzling lucky Giants team to win that game and go into the Super Bowl to defeat a Patriots team that they had already beaten in the regular season.[/quote]

.....wow,yeah......yeah it did and I love it.

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[QUOTE=
Btw, a lot of people are putting a lot of their eggs in the Hankerson basket. After he played 1 game to show us something. I want to see more than 1 game before I judge him. So far I've seen that he gets injured and can't hold onto the ball.[/QUOTE]

the hankerson basket has cheaper rent, and he's already here. and he wont kill someone driving drunk. i'm officially against signing Vincent Jackson.

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....If you watch the int you'll see it was more the RT bad attemt at a block then anything else.

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[quote=Ruhskins;895717]Did Torain start with us as a rookie?[/quote]

The point I was trying to make was these guys can change in the blink of an eye. If I told you last year that a healthy Torain would never break 3 yards per carry after the St. Louis game you would have told me I was crazy.

Helu and Royster are obviously promising, however their breakout games last year are no guarantee that they'll carry over to this year. Of course we'll probably draft another running back or two so I guess this is all a moot point if one of them falls off the map.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;895936]The point I was trying to make was these guys can change in the blink of an eye. If I told you last year that a healthy Torain would never break 3 yards per carry after the St. Louis game you would have told me I was crazy.



Helu and Royster are obviously promising, however their breakout games last year are no guarantee that they'll carry over to this year. Of course we'll probably draft another running back or two so I guess this is all a moot point if one of them falls off the map.[/QUOTE]



Don't disrespect Roy Helu!! Seriously if he hadn't gotten hurt he could have easily cracked 1,000 yards rushing.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;895967]Don't disrespect Roy Helu!! Seriously if he hadn't gotten hurt he could have easily cracked 1,000 yards rushing.[/quote]

And Torain was....on pace (sorry I hate that phrase) for 1,200 yards rushing in 2010 :D

Still I now know this. When we bring in guys for visits we need them to bring their girlfriends, wives, or pictures of the chicks they've banged. Seeing how hot they are by western standards (which is graded on a curve) is vital in determining weather or not they will be useful.

I'm willing to bet that the drop in Torain's production came about from banging an ugo. We have scientific data to back this up.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;895976]And Torain was....on pace (sorry I hate that phrase) for 1,200 yards rushing in 2010



Still I now know this. When we bring in guys for visits we need them to bring their girlfriends, wives, or pictures of the chicks they've banged. Seeing how hot they are by western standards (which is graded on a curve) is vital in determining weather or not they will be useful.



I'm willing to bet that the drop in Torain's production came about from banging an ugo. We have scientific data to back this up.[/QUOTE]



I agree 100% and with you being a doctor will gladly accept your donation for the upcoming election.

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Maybe Torain's success here was a bit of an aberration to begin with?

I think our backfield looks pretty set with Helu and Royster, like to see Hightower back too.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;895980]I agree 100% and with you being a doctor will gladly accept your donation for the upcoming election.[/quote]

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Not a Griffin thread, but at least one system grades Robert Griffin out as the best prospect in the last 15 years. As in: better coming out than Manning.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012[/url]

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;896032]Not a Griffin thread, but at least one system grades Robert Griffin out as the best prospect in the last 15 years. As in: better coming out than Manning.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012[/url][/QUOTE]

Does that mean you approve? :D I trust their opinion on the subject.

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[quote=donofriose;895816]I agree but what I notice about the superbowl teams is what separates them from the rest is the depth that they have at a lot of positions. The best way to build depth is through the draft You can go after young free agents like a Mario Williams but what you don't want is to build a team where free agents are the main components. Every player on the packers offense was drafted. The ravens defense was almost entirely drafted. You build through the draft but you add key components through free agency. [B]You sign under the radar guys or veterans that want to win a superbowl and are not in it for the money since they already have a lot. [/B]Signing one of the top free agents rarely works out unless they are in their mid 20's and even then it doesn't work out a lot of the time. Draft is less risky then free agency because of the money involved. Two D words that always go hand in hand Dynasty: Draft[/quote]

Completely agree with everything youve said here and your post right before this one

Im completely against VJ. Hes turning 30, looking to get paid and has had off the field issues. Much rather build through the draft and sign guys that are looking to prove themselves, not just get paid. Save the big money deals for resigning players already on our team.

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I just got through watching the Alamo Bowl between Baylor and Washington. RG3 really didn't do a lot in that game. Baylor had over 500 yards rushing in that game. RG3 passed for just over 300 yards and ran for over 100 yards. He was sacked quite a bit in that game. NFL teams will undoubtedly watch film of this game to undoubtedly find ways to stop Griffin and keep him in the pocket and pressure him. Like Michael Vick before him, all Griffin III needs to do is get outside of the pocket and turn up field. With his athletic ability, he can surely beat a spy LB or throw it to an open receiver on the run. It would seem that RG3 will create a lot of unwanted problems for even the best of NFL defenses.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;896143]I just got through watching the Alamo Bowl between Baylor and Washington. RG3 really didn't do a lot in that game. Baylor had over 500 yards rushing in that game. RG3 passed for just over 300 yards and ran for over 100 yards. He was sacked quite a bit in that game. NFL teams will undoubtedly watch film of this game to undoubtedly find ways to stop Griffin and keep him in the pocket and pressure him. Like Michael Vick before him, all Griffin III needs to do is get outside of the pocket and turn up field. With his athletic ability, he can surely beat a spy LB or throw it to an open receiver on the run. It would seem that RG3 will create a lot of unwanted problems for even the best of NFL defenses.[/quote]

Watch Cam Newton against Oregon. Very similar game to RG3. Don't worry, its RG3 with bad players around him. Cam didn't exactly have great players around him at Auburn on Offense. Mike Vick, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton manning, they all were stopped in college (some pretty often than the others).

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the biggest success metric from college to the pros is completion % and year over year completion % increase durnig college (unless its one of a few gimmick college passing systems).

starting at 60% and going to 73% is crazy good. his vick like speed isn't going to hurt either. and if you watch some clips, you'll see his long ball is accurate. so i don't doubt he could be great.

I don't think he's done a lot of work with small windows like he'll have in the NFL or throwing guys open, but we'll see how that goes soon enough...

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;896143]I just got through watching the Alamo Bowl between Baylor and Washington. RG3 really didn't do a lot in that game. Baylor had over 500 yards rushing in that game. RG3 passed for just over 300 yards and ran for over 100 yards. He was sacked quite a bit in that game. NFL teams will undoubtedly watch film of this game to undoubtedly find ways to stop Griffin and keep him in the pocket and pressure him. Like Michael Vick before him, all Griffin III needs to do is get outside of the pocket and turn up field. With his athletic ability, he can surely beat a spy LB or throw it to an open receiver on the run. It would seem that RG3 will create a lot of unwanted problems for even the best of NFL defenses.[/quote]

so he turned in a 400 yard game and that's not much ;)

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[quote=GTripp0012;896032]Not a Griffin thread, but at least one system grades Robert Griffin out as the best prospect in the last 15 years. As in: better coming out than Manning.

[URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012"]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012[/URL][/quote]


Ley me ask you this,who did they say was the best prospect last year?Look I like the kid but you guys do this and put way to much pressure on the team and the kid.....he should be good ,I don't see why people would think he's better then Luck or Cam Newton?

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I think picking up a guy like Garcon who proved he could have his most explosive season even without Peyton last year would be nice. Hes only 25 i think and has a much longer future then VJ at a much more reasonable price.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/12/freeagency/index.html]Peyton Manning visits Denver, Arizona as he tries to decide where he'll play next - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Great read on RG3, the trade, and Allen and Shanahan.

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Eric Winstrom just became Free Agent target number 1, in my eyes.

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Winstonnnnnn

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well, he's athletic, since he used to be a TE...

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Give me Winston and Lienhart both cut today by Houston. Takes care of RT and backup QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;896652]Give me Winston and Lienhart both cut today by Houston. Takes care of RT and backup QB.[/quote]

If they sign Winston, I'll be happy with any move they make afterwards.
Scouts honor.
They could cut Moss and sign you as WR and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

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[quote=30gut;896842]If they sign Winston, I'll be happy with any move they make afterwards.
Scouts honor.
They could cut Moss and sign you as WR and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.[/quote]

I might have to agree with you on this one.

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[quote=30gut;896842]If they sign Winston, I'll be happy with any move they make afterwards.
Scouts honor.
They could cut Moss and sign you as WR and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.[/quote]

The biggest need I see is in the secondary considering we lost both are starting safeties