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way to wreck a thread. hopefully you'll take this mindless drivel back to ES when you leave. thanks!

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Ray Rice tagged.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-franchisetags]Ravens tag Ray Rice, Bears do same with Forte - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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moving on, can nicks be tendered?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;891553]That make Nick's available in free agency.[/quote]

He doesn't fit our zone blocking scheme. Wouldn't make much since to sign him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;891571]What in the world are we arguing about here?[/quote]



lol...then there was the "strawberry incident" and they all turned against me!(Cain Mutiny):soapbox:

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;891571]What in the world are we arguing about here?[/QUOTE]

Lmao idk

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[quote=SmootSmack;891571]What in the world are we arguing about here?[/quote]

The price of tea in China.

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Looks like the Bills are about to lock up Stevie Johnson

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That leaves us with Jackson, Garcon, or Colston.

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[quote=SmootSmack;891901]Looks like the Bills are about to lock up Stevie Johnson[/quote]

nooooo. he's my favorite out of the group. well i dont think Bowe was officially tagged yet he would be my favorite

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[quote=SmootSmack;891901]Looks like the Bills are about to lock up Stevie Johnson[/quote]

It'd be stupid for them not to do so. That FA wideout market is quickly drying up. Looks like the best options right now are VJax and Colston.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7646530/buffalo-bills-stevie-johnson-verge-5-year-deal-according-source]Buffalo Bills, Stevie Johnson on verge of 5-year deal, according to source - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;891913]It'd be stupid for them not to do so. That FA wideout market is quickly drying up. [B]Looks like the best options right now are VJax and Colston.[/B]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7646530/buffalo-bills-stevie-johnson-verge-5-year-deal-according-source]Buffalo Bills, Stevie Johnson on verge of 5-year deal, according to source - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Colston alone would make us better.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;891902]That leaves us with Jackson, Garcon, or Colston.[/QUOTE]

Garcon

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[quote=SmootSmack;891901]Looks like the Bills are about to lock up Stevie Johnson[/quote]

I'm happy for Bills fans, they needed this.

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[quote=IrMitchell;891954]I'm happy for Bills fans, they needed this.[/quote]

not as bad as we need a #1 receiver, Stevie was my favorite out of the bunch. I feel now that Jackson is the guy, hes way better than Garcon and Colston but he is kissing 30.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891958]not as bad as we need a #1 receiver, Stevie was my favorite out of the bunch. I feel now that Jackson is the guy, hes way better than Garcon and Colston but he is kissing 30.[/quote]

I sure as hell hope we don't go after Jackson, spells disaster.

Personally Id rather build from within, see what we've got with a few younger guys. At some point you gotta give them an opportunity.

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[quote=IrMitchell;891960]I sure as hell hope we don't go after Jackson, spells disaster.

Personally Id rather build from within, see what we've got with a few younger guys. At some point you gotta give them an opportunity.[/quote]

i understand what your saying, im just going by what Shanahan had said about adding a #1 receiver and how it was a big priority. Out of Garcon, Jackson, and Colston, i would take Jackson. He has been in trouble in the past but i think he has been good for the most part with no problems. He wasnt my first choice but out of what is supposedly left he is the best choice and would make much more of an impact than the other 2. He really goes up and gets the ball.

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In other news Arian Foster just signed a 5 year extension with Houston.

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According to Schefter, Texans and Foster have reached an agreement on a new deal

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[quote=CultBrennan59;891963]In other news Arian Foster just signed a 5 year extension with Houston.[/quote]

beat me to it

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891961]i understand what your saying, im just going by what Shanahan had said about adding a #1 receiver and how it was a big priority. Out of Garcon, Jackson, and Colston, i would take Jackson. He has been in trouble in the past but i think he has been good for the most part with no problems. He wasnt my first choice but out of what is supposedly left he is the best choice and would make much more of an impact than the other 2. He really goes up and gets the ball.[/quote]

It depends. Who will be our quarterback? If we truly do end up with RG3, I don't want to commit to an aging WR. If we get stuck with another year of Grossman or some other hopeless QB, Vincent Jackson makes sense.

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[quote=IrMitchell;891972]It depends. Who will be our quarterback? If we truly do end up with RG3, I don't want to commit to an aging WR. If we get stuck with another year of Grossman or some other hopeless QB, Vincent Jackson makes sense.[/quote]

If we have Grossman, or "some other hopeless QB", the WR position isn't going to matter a hill of beans, because we will be back to seeing protest signs at the games, and fans calling for at least Shanahan's head, and probably everyone else involved.

For the discussion of WR, you have to assume some level of competent qb play, and in that case, bringing in a #1, regardless of age (not over 33 i guess) is a must. This is the year the offense needs to be addressed, and addressed in bunches, new qb, solid WR corps, and better RT. Some how, all three of those needs must be met.

VJax seems like a simple plan A for the WR part.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;891963]In other news Arian Foster just signed a 5 year extension with Houston.[/quote]

Just shows the value in an education as a philosophy major.

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I'm on board with VJ, but I also wouldn't mind Garcon.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7647122/buffalo-bills-stevie-johnson-agree-5-year-deal-according-source]Buffalo Bills, Stevie Johnson agree to 5-year deal, according to source - ESPN[/url]


Looks like one WR is off the FA market. Bills sign Stevie Johnson.

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So I guess it is somewhat official with Stevie Johnson and the Bills....

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7647122/buffalo-bills-stevie-johnson-agree-5-year-deal-according-source]Buffalo Bills, Stevie Johnson agree to 5-year deal, according to source - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;891987]I'm on board with VJ, but I also wouldn't mind Garcon.[/quote]

Garcon has had injury problems hasn't he? I really like Colston. VJ is good, but I don't like his baggage and Shanny seems to like character guys. Or who at least he thinks are character guys. :Smoker:

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[url=http://entertainment.verizon.com/news/read.php?id=18987571&ps=973&srce=morenews_class&action=2&lang=en]Seahawks lock up RB Lynch to 4-year deal - MyVerizon.com[/url]

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Why is no one considering Meachem?

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[quote=SkinzWin;891991][B]Garcon has had injury problems hasn't he? I really like Colston.[/B] VJ is good, but I don't like his baggage and Shanny seems to like character guys. Or who at least he thinks are character guys. :Smoker:[/quote]

Not that I'm aware of, he's started all but 5 games the past 3 seasons, certainly no injuries to the extent like Colston has had that's for sure.

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[quote=Mattyk;891995]Not that I'm aware of, he's started all but 5 games the past 3 seasons, certainly no injuries to the extent like Colston has had that's for sure.[/quote]

Guess I was thinking of Collie and Hernandez.

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You know what's crazy, look at some of the top WRs in the free agent market (including Stevie Johnson)

Johnson-7th round pick
Colston-7th round pick
Garcon-6th round pick
Wes Welker-Undrafted
Josh Morgan-6th round pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;892000]You know what's crazy, look at some of the top WRs in the free agent market (including Stevie Johnson)

Johnson-7th round pick
Colston-7th round pick
Garcon-6th round pick
Wes Welker-Undrafted
Josh Morgan-6th round pick[/quote]

You put Josh Morgan in the same list as these guys? I think that's a bit generous. You really think Morgan is going to garner as much attention as these other guys?

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[quote=SkinzWin;892003]You put Josh Morgan in the same list as these guys? I think that's a bit generous. You really think Morgan is going to garner as much attention as these other guys?[/quote]

Josh Morgan is a beast

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[quote=Chico23231;892006]Josh Morgan is a beast[/quote]

Yes he is, he was the best 49ers receiver before he got hurt.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;892009]Yes he is, he was the 49ers receiver before he got hurt.[/quote]

I know he played for them but I thought he was better as a returner than actual receiver. Everyone talks about how pathetic the 49ers receivers are. I just wouldn't have put him that high myself. I mean he's never even broken 700 yards receiving and more than 3 TDs in four seasons in the league.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892000]You know what's crazy, look at some of the top WRs in the free agent market (including Stevie Johnson)

Johnson-7th round pick
Colston-7th round pick
Garcon-6th round pick
Wes Welker-Undrafted
Josh Morgan-6th round pick[/quote]

It just goes to show that nobody ever knows how a wide receiver's career will turn out or any player for that matter. Just look at players like London Fletcher, Arian Foster, Victor Cruz and Miles Austin all of whom are NFL icons but neither of those players were even drafted. Even with young talent, there will always be exceptions outside of the NFL draft.

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[quote=SkinzWin;892011]I know he played for them but I thought he was better as a returner than actual receiver. Everyone talks about how pathetic the 49ers receivers are. I just wouldn't have put him that high myself. I mean he's never even broken 700 yards receiving and more than 3 TDs in four seasons in the league.[/quote]

Most of the stats were under the old regime, before Harbaugh. Morgan can play and I would target him if Vjax is not signed.

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Looks like the numbers came out for the Foster and SJ signings:

Arian Foster's contract $43.5M ($20.75M guaranteed) over 5 yrs
Stevie Johnson's contract $36.25M ($19.5M guaranteed) over 5 yrs

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I'm just wondering, why doesn't every team with a high profile free agent that isn't using the franchise tag just tag and trade their players that they're not looking to retain? Mario Williams, Matt Flynn, Terell Thomas, and Levi Brown (maybe, not entirely sure how good he is) come to mind. I'm more talking about williams and flynn considering I'm not entirely sure how much would be gotten for brown or thomas and what their FA plan is (I say this because they can get compensatory picks equal to trade value if they do not sign other FAs). But I would be absolutely shocked if Williams or Flynn didn't get at least a 2nd rounder if put on the trading block, which is significantly better than an after the 3rd round pick from compensation.