Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=The Goat;867394]Not sure what you're really saying about Landry here? He will never be anything more than a poor man's Roy Williams. But I agree with you in the sense he's neither the sickness nor the cure. We need a top 5 free safety to be our brains in the secondary and challenge QBs. Landry btw has neither the intelligence nor the skill to be that guy.

The shut-down corner would be gravy but FS is the bigger need by far.[/quote]It's a three safety league now. We have one. And possibly zero at this time next year.

I think Dejon Gomes is still years away, but could project to be a starter.

Atogwe was a classic Redskins FA mistake. I think they could go either way with him next year, but I'm certain he won't be here in 2013.

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I think Gomes will stick. You're asking a lot out of anyone to cover Gronkowski with Brady being QB.

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He didnt get a chance to ever get 100% this year.

We NEED to resign Landry theres no doubt.
If we let him go WHOEVER we start there next year will be a DOWNGRADE... I guarentee it... if you think im wrong tell me who you have as our starter.. a rookie?... we have so many offensive issues letting him go and adding saftey to our draft needs is ludacris.

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yesterday i was on rotoworld they said that we are most likely signing him to the franchise tag to give him one more year to prove himself.

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So it appears Landry is once again headed to IR?

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-plan-to-place-laron-landry-on-ir/2011/12/15/gIQAGEb9vO_blog.html]Redskins plan to place LaRon Landry on IR - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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I think he's toast now. I mean what's his value to the team. If it comes down to rewarding Fletcher with a nice deal and letting Landry walk, I'm sure the Org is prepared to do that.

Related, D.Gomes has to step up as a part of that equation.

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Obviously shockwave therapy and platelet-rich plasma treatments didn't work. Landry needs to go ahead and have surgery so that he can heal and at last put this injury behind him. You can't fault Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett for electing to place him on injured reserve for the second straight year. He was prone for IR anyway because he didn't have the surgery after last year. Now, I'm thinking that it's a must that Landry has to have the surgery other wise his Achilles tendon will never mend.

If he has the surgery before the season ends, he can be 100% by mini camp.

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[quote=musicmaster45;868023]yesterday i was on rotoworld they said that we are most likely signing him to the franchise tag to give him one more year to prove himself.[/quote]

The franchise tag for a safety is fairly expensive. landrys not worth it.

both rich campbell and chris russell have said that, based on information provided by team sources, there is no chance we bring laron landry back in any capacity at any price. Aside from his injury history, his relationship with the team (and visa versa) is even worse than Carlos Rogers' was. We arent interested in him. He's not interested in us.

He had alot of potential, but he was never really that good. He made alot of big plays, but he missed alot too, due to his always wanting to make a "highlight hit." his condition is chronic and the only way he'll get better is if he has surgery, which he has declined to do (depsite the teams urging) so far. Even if he had the microtear surgery, its highly likely that he'd be effective any time soon anyways. Good riddance.

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[quote=Ruhskins;868131]So it appears Landry is once again headed to IR?

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-plan-to-place-laron-landry-on-ir/2011/12/15/gIQAGEb9vO_blog.html]Redskins plan to place LaRon Landry on IR - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Gomes and Doughty starting the rest of the season

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Well well well...Landry was basically a bust (for us anyway) after all. I'm absolutely fine w/ cutting him even if he succeeds elsewhere.

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;868131]So it appears Landry is once again headed to IR?

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-plan-to-place-laron-landry-on-ir/2011/12/15/gIQAGEb9vO_blog.html]Redskins plan to place LaRon Landry on IR - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

It's funny how this has come up again. There were a few of us arguing about this at the beginning of the season. LL missed the preseason and was out for the first game as well. All because of tweaked Hammy.......Yea right. There was more to the story and it was easy to assume if he couldn't get healthy in 4-5 weeks he wasn't going to make it through the season.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/43941-landry-to-miss-opener-vs-giants.html#post832103[/url]

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I think we should give Laron another shot, I think the franchise tag would mitigate the risk fairly nice. Last season before the injury, which has obviously lingered, he was clearly having a pro bowl caliber season. He has struggled this year, but he has been injured.

Take a look at safety free agents and the draft class, not a lot out there. I think we need young talent at safety, but I dont believe its as pressing as Guard/Center, Tackle, WR, CB and obviously QB. I think we should spend another 4th/5th round on a safety in the draft.

OJ, as disappointing as he has been has been knicked up as well, and will return next year and will be better. Gomes is showing promising depth and you can tell he is not up to 100% speed in our system. Reed needs to be cut, period.

"But Chico, the franchise tag is alot of money." Who gives a f*ck, its one year? Rather be locked in one year than locked in 5 years with 18-25 mil guarenteed and its turns out Laron will never be 100% again due to injury. Then we will really be pissed.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;868141]The franchise tag for a safety is fairly expensive. landrys not worth it.

[B]both rich campbell and chris russell have said that, based on information provided by team sources, there is no chance we bring laron landry back in any capacity at any price. Aside from his injury history, his relationship with the team (and visa versa) is even worse than Carlos Rogers' was. We arent interested in him. He's not interested in us.[/B]

He had alot of potential, but he was never really that good. He made alot of big plays, but he missed alot too, due to his always wanting to make a "highlight hit." his condition is chronic and the only way he'll get better is if he has surgery, which he has declined to do (depsite the teams urging) so far. Even if he had the microtear surgery, its highly likely that he'd be effective any time soon anyways. Good riddance.[/quote]

got any reference to this? i really don't see how it's a done deal already.

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[quote=Chico23231;868243]I think we should give Laron another shot, I think the franchise tag would mitigate the risk fairly nice. Last season before the injury, which has obviously lingered, he was clearly having a pro bowl caliber season. He has struggled this year, but he has been injured.

Take a look at safety free agents and the draft class, not a lot out there. I think we need young talent at safety, but I dont believe its as pressing as Guard/Center, Tackle, WR, CB and obviously QB. I think we should spend another 4th/5th round on a safety in the draft.

OJ, as disappointing as he has been has been knicked up as well, and will return next year and will be better. Gomes is showing promising depth and you can tell he is not up to 100% speed in our system. Reed needs to be cut, period.

[B]"But Chico, the franchise tag is alot of money." Who gives a f*ck, its one year? Rather be locked in one year than locked in 5 years with 18-25 mil guarenteed and its turns out Laron will never be 100% again due to injury. Then we will really be pissed[/B].[/quote]

i agree with pretty much everything you have said, except that the franchise tag is a lot of money. i beleive i heard it is about 7 mil, that for one year is not that bad. and if i'm not mistaken we will have a ton of cap space next year. i think if we work with laron and tell him we want to pay him this kind of money long term we just have to make sure he stays healthy and is productive and blah blah blah, talk the talk to him, tag him and see what happens. then if he can have a solid season next year sign him long term with a very incentive contract. i would just hate to lose another guy after his rookie contract is up to see him florish else where.

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[quote=Big C;862840]we need to re-sign him. if we dont, it just opens up another huge hole in this team.[/quote]

The hole is already there. Landry plays better as a SS vs. a FS. Honestly Doughty plays just as good SS as Landry does. Both make the same mistakes on occasion. But our problem is the team has used Doughty as SS and Landry as FS. Landry can't cover anyone as a FS.

In other words the hole is already there. This team needs to draft a FS cause Atogwe is not any better. Now if the coaching staff feels Atogwe will work out but needs more time to digest the scheme as all the other players did in their first year then I'll be ok with them keeping him, but for me not only does he seem lost in this scheme but he does not hit very hard. We need a big FS hitter, one that can run sideline to sideline breaking up passes and helping out the CB.

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[quote=SBXVII;868279]The hole is already there. Landry plays better as a SS vs. a FS. Honestly Doughty plays just as good SS as Landry does. Both make the same mistakes on occasion. But our problem is the team has used Doughty as SS and Landry as FS. Landry can't cover anyone as a FS.

In other words the hole is already there. This team needs to draft a FS cause Atogwe is not any better. Now if the coaching staff feels Atogwe will work out but needs more time to digest the scheme as all the other players did in their first year then I'll be ok with them keeping him, but for me not only does he seem lost in this scheme but he does not hit very hard. We need a big FS hitter, one that can run sideline to sideline breaking up passes and helping out the CB.[/quote]

I agree. Considering the fact that LL #30 hasn't played much at all in the past two seasons, the hole is already been there. I would rather have someone who is at least consistent and not injury prone, rather than someone who only plays for a few games out of the season. Hate to say it, but I'm starting to feel the same way about Chris Cooley as well.

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Doughty is as good as LL?

That's laughable.

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[quote=Mattyk;868296]Doughty is as good as LL?

That's laughable.[/quote]

He is better than LL when it comes to actually being on the field..lol :tongue

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[quote=Mattyk;868296]Doughty is as good as LL?

That's laughable.[/quote]

For real. Doughty is a career backup.

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If this franchise pays LL $7 million to keep him another year I'll have suspend my fanhood until the Snyder era ends. He's worth league minimum at this point and nothing more. He's a dumb player, I mean literally dumb in that he doesn't have the intelligence to read the offense and anticipate anything. So despite his physical ability Landry is often a step or two late on the play. He's also dumb in his behavior, antics etc, which is just absurd for such an underwhelming player.

Edit: I think Landry is actually one of the dumbest players I've seen in a long time. Keep in mind when his physical ability deteriorates he's worthless.

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League min?

Right.

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[quote=Mattyk;868296]Doughty is as good as LL?

That's laughable.[/quote]

Laughable? yes. If LL was healthy no way Doughty is as good. But from what I see with LL being out so much recently, and when they both are playing close to the line as a SS what they provide is not much different from the other. Both make takles, both force rush the QB, both screw up on occasion by being in the wrong place or rather getting out of position.

So ... yes about as good.

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I'm talking all things equal and both guys are healthy, LL is the superior player.

Of course Doughty is better at this moment, LL hasn't even been playing and is now on IR.

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=The Goat;868312]If this franchise pays LL $7 million to keep him another year[B] I'll have suspend my fanhood[/B] until the Snyder era ends. He's worth league minimum at this point and nothing more. He's a dumb player, I mean literally dumb in that he doesn't have the intelligence to read the offense and anticipate anything. So despite his physical ability Landry is often a step or two late on the play. He's also dumb in his behavior, antics etc, which is just absurd for such an underwhelming player.

Edit: I think Landry is actually one of the dumbest players I've seen in a long time. Keep in mind when his physical ability deteriorates he's worthless.[/quote]

I found something else that gets my goat. ;)

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[quote=Mattyk;868318]I'm talking all things equal and both guys are healthy, LL is the superior player.

Of course Doughty is better at this moment, LL hasn't even been playing and is now on IR.[/quote]

Board Games or an IQ test im taking Doughty by 32 horse lengths.

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[quote=Mattyk;868318]I'm talking all things equal and both guys are healthy, LL is the superior player.

Of course Doughty is better at this moment, LL hasn't even been playing and is now on IR.[/quote]

I think we are on the same page.

I like LL. He looks like a machine. He should be the next Terminator but ... and it's a big but, LL is not FS material. He's SS material. I don't care what position he played in college cause it's a lot different in the NFL.

and yes Doughty is a back up. Which is why it's sad to say that both make the same mistakes. Both are decent tacklers when in the right place at the right time but both have a tendency to get out of position or use poor tackling skills at times. Otherwise both can stop the run.

Neither play well as a FS. Which is why on my list of positions to draft I keep saying I feel FS is more important right now then CB. With a bonified FS there would be more help over the top for the CB's which would make our secondary better.

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I voted, "absolutely", but I do not want to see the Redskins improve.

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[quote=Mattyk;868318]I'm talking all things equal and both guys are healthy, LL is the superior player.

Of course Doughty is better at this moment, [B]LL hasn't even been playing and is now on IR.[/B][/quote]

Matty this is precisely the reason Landry isn't worth more than a minimal risk to the team. He's been gimpy for two consecutive seasons now and as SS mentioned seems to have chosen treatments that are not the most reliable.

And again I don't think it can be overstated how far Landry regresses when his physical ability is less than perfect...he's not a player who can make up for it with his brains.

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[quote=The Goat;868332]Matty this is precisely the reason Landry isn't worth more than a minimal risk to the team. He's been gimpy for two consecutive seasons now and as SS mentioned seems to have chosen treatments that are not the most reliable.

And again I don't think it can be overstated how far Landry regresses when his physical ability is less than perfect...he's not a player who can make up for it with his brains.[/quote]

Before contract talks even begin, he would of course have to be cleared medically and the team would know if he is a medical risk or not. If he's ok, I expect he would be re-signed to a multi-year deal. If he's a medical risk they have a decision to make.

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[quote=Mattyk;868333]Before contract talks even begin, he would of course have to be cleared medically and the team would know if he is a medical risk or not. If he's ok, I expect he would be re-signed to a multi-year deal. If he's a medical risk they have a decision to make.[/quote]

The problem is Landry has to decide pretty much right away (and as of last night, he hadn't officially decided from what I heard) whether to undergo the surgery.

And even then it might be too late. He's going to be in a boot for up to 4 months after surgery (as I understand it) and then we're talking probably June or July before he can really do anything truly physical again.

I'm no doctor, but unfortunately it seems that the Redskins (or whoever) have to make a guess on Landry next spring

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LOL@ this "NFL vet min wage" and the "Doughty is better than LL" talk.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868339]The problem is Landry has to decide pretty much right away (and as of last night, he hadn't officially decided from what I heard) whether to undergo the surgery.

And even then it might be too late. He's going to be in a boot for up to 4 months after surgery (as I understand it) and then we're talking probably June or July before he can really do anything truly physical again.

I'm no doctor, but unfortunately it seems that the Redskins (or whoever) have to make a guess on Landry next spring[/quote]

It's really hard to imagine our FO re-signing him to a multi-year deal given the situation as you put it...let alone an outside franchise LMAO!

How's that dialogue w/ the agent go?

Agent: "So my client is looking for a solid multi-year deal but he's just not sure when he'll ever be physically able to play again...did I mention he was a 6th overall pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Anyone listening: ".......click"

:)

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I would franchise him and get that achilis operated on. The franchise tag is not that expensive for a safety. Make him play the one year on the tender and see if he stays healthy and regains his form. If not then move on next year.

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[quote=celts32;868507]I would franchise him and get that achilis operated on. The franchise tag is not that expensive for a safety. Make him play the one year on the tender and see if he stays healthy and regains his form. If not then move on next year.[/quote]

Perhaps you can explain just how you are going to "get that achillies operated on" as part of your franchise deal? When you name the guy your franchise player, he gets a standardized contract offer with a salary attached to it. There is no clause in it that says he must have a surgery in order for the contract to be valid.

Last year, Landry refused surgery in lieu of "alternative treatments". Suppose he opts for another set of "alternative treatments" again this year. How do you propose that the Redskins "make him have surgery?"

There is a deadline by which the Skins have to use their franchise tag. Suppose it is 24 hours prior to that deadline and Landry has still not "gone under the knife". What do you do?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;868520]There is a deadline by which the Skins have to use their franchise tag. Suppose it is 24 hours prior to that deadline and Landry has still not "gone under the knife". What do you do?[/quote]If we assume that the Fred Davis deal is already done, then I franchise him and trade him for best offer.

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If Cerrato was here.. We would of re-signed him already to a multi deal. Although, I think the new regime is smarter then that

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[quote=Alvin Walton;862850]Landry is a bag of upper body muscle.

But he is hot a high caliber safety.
I'm not even sure if he is a medium caliber safety.

He's an athlete but hes not a smart one.

He's not a game changer.

He doesn't make big plays.

He's injury prone.

If his contract is up let him go we can do better.[/quote]

Right on. Some folk can't get over that physique though and it blinds their evaluation.

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[quote=The Goat;868312]If this franchise pays LL $7 million to keep him another year I'll have suspend my fanhood until the Snyder era ends. He's worth league minimum at this point and nothing more. He's a dumb player, I mean literally dumb in that he doesn't have the intelligence to read the offense and anticipate anything. So despite his physical ability Landry is often a step or two late on the play. He's also dumb in his behavior, antics etc, which is just absurd for such an underwhelming player.

Edit: I think Landry is actually one of the dumbest players I've seen in a long time. Keep in mind when his physical ability deteriorates he's worthless.[/quote]

He is good for a blitz but that is about it. I thought he was good too though at the time. I see why they drafted him but what a let down. For that matter most the highlight film on him was when he was blitzing. Maybe he should do that because he can't do much else but occasionally fly thru the air and lay a good hit on someone. Then when people see that they think he is awesome.

For every flight he takes he misses more than he hits. Now London Fletcher is an example of a great player although he is a LB. Landry isn't even close to his playmaking and tackling skills. But some people love the way he imitates an airplane and defend him no matter what. Emotional analysis instead of honest critique

Good to see him doing charity work. He deserves some credit for that. Good job Laron.

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[QUOTE=Sonny9TD;868911]Right on. [B]Some folk can't get over that physique though and it blinds their evaluation.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Sounds kinda weird but I think you're exactly right on this. Sort of a head-scratcher to me in the context of football but people really do get fixated on looks lol

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Actually, this year I think Doughty has played just as well or better than LL. That's of course noting, as others have, that LL hasn't been the same since his achilles injury.