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[quote=NC_Skins;854141]Also, you kids still think we should be signing Laron Landry to a contract extension? ...lol


This quote about Landry pretty much sums it up for me.

[I]"I think instead of "beast" his new nickname should be "The magician." Because more often then not he's a disappearing act."[/I][/quote]

Well if you let him go that's another hole to fill, because there's nobody else on this roster that is starting caliber at his spot.

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[quote=jamf;854128]I just want to see guys get a chance to play.

I hate seeing different WR packages every down.
Everytime Niles Paul comes in we know it's a running play.
Austin and Armstrong on the same side? One guy is going to stretch the field the other is going to sit in coverage for a 8 yard gain on 3rd and 10.

[B]Pick your best 3 WRs and play them the whole game unless they are tired or injured. [/B]
I think it's time to move on From Anthony Armstrong and Gaffney. We need to see if Hankerson, Austin and Paul can become quality players.
Everytime they send in a new WR package, they are telegraphing their plays.

The Shanahans are so cocky that they think they can telegraph their plays and still beat a defense.[/quote]

I just don't understand why all the rotating of the wr's either. Makes no sense to me at all. Hankerson caught a ball at the start and then got yanked.

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[quote=Mattyk;854143]Well if you let him go that's another hole to fill, because there's nobody else on this roster that is starting caliber at his spot.[/quote]

Unfortunately you are right, but I don't think he's worth any type of major contract.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854149]Unfortunately you are right, but I don't think he's worth any type of major contract.[/quote]

Got news for ya, if we don't pay him someone else will. I wouldn't break the bank on him, but he's certainly worthy of a top 5-10 contract for his position.

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Firing people is not the answer! Redskins fans hate and criticize Snyder but so many of them are even more impulsive and impatient then he is. Yesterday was as ugly as it gets but you don't fire people a year and a half into a rebuild...

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[quote=skinsfan69;853880]Yeah wtf was that crap at the start of the game with those end arounds? Kyle...pack your bags. I've seen enough![/quote]

I must have missed the end arounds cause all I kept seeing through the whole 1st half was the run up the middle/between the tackles which got stuffed all day. I saw one good run up the middle for about 4-5 yrds. Then it got stuffed on the very next play. So where was the RB supposed to go? If the middle is getting stuffed then you try to get to the edge and possibly spread the defense out enough to run up the middle.

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You gotta see Shanahan's plan through to the end. No matter if it works or leads us in even deeper. Good coaches will want to coach for an owner that gives them control and has deep pockets and let's them develop their team. Not one wants to work for an owner that has no faith in his coaches. For the sake of our next coach, we have to stay the course with this coach.

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[quote=Mattyk;854143]Well if you let him go that's another hole to fill, because there's nobody else on this roster that is starting caliber at his spot.[/quote]


I like Landry, he's a beast. But he's really only good at being a Strong Safety stopping the run or rushing the QB. He's a huge liability in coverage. What to do with him? I honestly don't know. Either play to his strengths or trade him for someone who can cover.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;854160]You gotta see Shanahan's plan through to the end. No matter if it works or leads us in even deeper. Good coaches will want to coach for an owner that gives them control and has deep pockets and let's them develop their team. Not one wants to work for an owner that has no faith in his coaches. For the sake of our next coach, we have to stay the course with this coach.[/quote]

I'm with you. MS signed a 5 yr deal and he should be given the 5 yrs. I'm so tired of the 2 and out HC's. None get a chance to empliment their scheme before being fired for the next great thing to not do anything.

This team had no developed players thanks to Cerrato. Give the new coaching staff the time to get all the pieces. MS is proven. He took the Bronco's to the SB twice and went as a 49er.

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Fans are so quick to pull the trigger, but never in positive way. Had we won 23-0 yesterday there would probably not have been any "We need to lock up Beck long term! "Kyle has to be named the official successor now!!!" "What are good hotels in Indianapolis? I'm booking my tickets for the Super Bowl TODAY!!!!" "Whatever Fred Davis makes we should triple it now!!!!" threads. But when they lose it's a fire sale.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854171]Fans are so quick to pull the trigger, but never in positive way. Had we won 23-0 yesterday there would probably not have been any "We need to lock up Beck long term! "Kyle has to be named the official successor now!!!" "What are good hotels in Indianapolis? I'm booking my tickets for the Super Bowl TODAY!!!!" "Whatever Fred Davis makes we should triple it now!!!!" threads. But when they lose it's a fire sale.[/quote]

When was the last time the fans made sense? Can't expect much logic after a shutout and a three-game losing streak. But agreed, firing Shanahan is pretty ridiculous at this point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;853891]Yeah but who's going to be in charge of picking the QB? Cause right now, I simply don't trust the Shanahan's when it comes to picking a qb.[/quote]

Mike Wise says his Quarterback picker is broken. He's "O" for so far.

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Get some guys back from injury, continue to upgrade starting postions (ILB, Oline, QB) while building depth, draft a QB or a couple, maybe add a Vet QB to the roster. Keep the coaching staff intact...we will be fine. We are rebuilding.

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[quote=Longtimefan;854176]Mike Wise says his Quarterback picker is broken. He's "O" for so far.[/quote]

Mike Wise is a f*cking piece of sh*t

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[quote=SmootSmack;854171]Fans are so quick to pull the trigger, but never in positive way. Had we won 23-0 yesterday there would probably not have been any "We need to lock up Beck long term! "Kyle has to be named the official successor now!!!" "What are good hotels in Indianapolis? I'm booking my tickets for the Super Bowl TODAY!!!!" "Whatever Fred Davis makes we should triple it now!!!!" threads. But when they lose it's a fire sale.[/quote]

I am not one of those fans. I've said from the beginning about LL and Hall and my thoughts about the two. I've also stated that we have no better option at this point and need to roll with them. My thoughts wouldn't have changed if we did win 23-0, and LL was a beast. I don't think one good year ended early by injury is a reason to lock up a person to a huge contract. I'm in the mindset that consistency should play a part in contracts, not flash in the pans. I understand you probably weren't talking to me directly with the quote, but I just wanted to respond anyway.


Also, I seriously want to punch any fan in the nuts that is calling for the Shanahans to be fired. I hate fans like that, and they are the exact clone of Snyder. You know, the guy they spend endless amounts of time hating and despising, yet they are JUST like him to a T.

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You know, I've beaten the whole "rebuilding" drum for a while now, too. But I think I'm done with that. I know Shanahan was handed a pile of dogsh*t when he took over this team. Fair enough. But there are plenty of teams that go from very poor one year to playoff caliber the next. Look no further than this week's opponent. San Fran was a bad team last year. They're 6-1 and a near shoe-in to win their division at this point. And they're doing it with Alex Smith and for the most part a no-name offense. Sure their D is solid, but still. They're 6-1.

Shanahan has had his hands on this team for nearly two years. The defense seems to be heading the right direction, but the offense seems to be getting worse each week.

It was Mike and Kyle's decision to ride with the Rex/Beck train. Fail. It was their decision to ride with this garbage O-line bereft of any depth to speak of. Fail.

I know we're 3 wins "better" than the worst teams in the league after week 8, but I don't think we're really too far away from the St Louis and Miami's of the world.

We haven't had a franchise QB since, who, Joey Sunshine? Until we get one, it will be the same thing over and over, year after year.

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I think I need to start smoking crack.

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How much OL depth do teams really have? I you lose two starters and it's pretty inevitable you're going to have some start some playing some retreads or inexperienced guys.

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Beck is horrid. I don't care about the line .. Rex would have gotten rid of the damn ball at least. ****. and FIRE KYLE ALREADY WTF

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[quote=GMScud;854184]You know, I've beaten the whole "rebuilding" drum for a while now, too. But I think I'm done with that. I know Shanahan was handed a pile of dogsh*t when he took over this team. Fair enough. But there are plenty of teams that go from very poor one year to playoff caliber the next. Look no further than this week's opponent. San Fran was a bad team last year. They're 6-1 and a near shoe-in to win their division at this point. And they're doing it with [B]Alex Smith[/B] and for the most part a no-name offense. Sure their D is solid, but still. They're 6-1. [/quote]

I think Harbaugh did a good job sticking with Smith. I think he's mediocre performance in the past we pretty similar to Campbell, yet Harbaugh kept him around. I wish Shanahan would have stuck with Campbell during the rebuilding process. Had that happen, maybe we could have gotten our QB of the future sooner rather than later. Anything would have been better than wasting picks on McNabb and setting the franchise back a year.

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[quote=Meks;854198]Beck is horrid. I don't care about the line .. Rex would have gotten rid of the damn ball at least. ****. and FIRE KYLE ALREADY WTF[/quote]

Problem is Rex gets rid of the ball by throwing it to the other team. LOL

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[quote=firstdown;854205]Problem is Rex gets rid of the ball by throwing it to the other team. LOL[/quote]

But he GETS RID OF THE BALL man! LOL.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;854171]Fans are so quick to pull the trigger, but never in positive way. Had we won 23-0 yesterday there would probably not have been any "We need to lock up Beck long term! "Kyle has to be named the official successor now!!!" "What are good hotels in Indianapolis? I'm booking my tickets for the Super Bowl TODAY!!!!" "Whatever Fred Davis makes we should triple it now!!!!" threads. [U][B]But when they lose it's a fire sale.[/[/B][/U]QUOTE]

Its more like a garage sale at a trailor park. Just looking for a little consistencey, well I've got my wish cause the skins consistantly lose. BTW did anyone ever notice Hassnots D track record, everywhere he has gone something bad has happened.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854192]How much OL depth do teams really have? I you lose two starters and it's pretty inevitable you're going to have some start some playing some retreads or inexperienced guys.[/quote]

Yeah but we cut bait with a guy like Artis Hicks for who? 7th round rookies? I understand we want youth, but keeping 8 or 9 receivers at the expense of O-line depth when the guys we have are so bad/young is not smart. And we're seeing it fully exposed now. And those are Mike's decisions.

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[quote=GMScud;854211]Yeah but we cut bait with a guy like Artis Hicks for who? 7th round rookies? I understand we want youth, but keeping 8 or 9 receivers at the expense of O-line depth when the guys we have are so bad/young is not smart. And we're seeing it fully exposed now. And those are Mike's decisions.[/quote]

Problem is OL really offer nothing other than depth when they're not starting. Meaning you can't use OL for special teams like you can with skill players. And so, do you keep an Artis Hicks or do you keep a guy like Maurice Hurt who can hopefully be developed?

It's a fine line in my opinion. You have to be prepared for injuries but you can't really plan your team expecting so many guys to get hurt.

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Can't call for a youth movement and then lament letting someone like Hicks go.

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For whatever reason, I feel this Redskin team is much better than what they showed the last three games. We don't need to talk about the Buffalo Bills game anymore. What more needs to be said? What matters now is what Mike Shanahan does to correct this 3 game skid.

If the LT Locklear is more suited at right tackle, then they need to switch Jamaal Brown to left tackle(where Brown is more suited) and place Locklear at right tackle. Eric Cook is a bum. They should move Montgomery back to center and put one of the reserve tackles at left guard. Anything worth building some cohesion would be better than reliving the comic relief effort seen yesterday.

Torain had 8 carries for a anemic 14 yards? That's crazy! A different combination on the line of scrimmage may very well prove a much more effective result on the football field.

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[quote=GMScud;854184]You know, I've beaten the whole "rebuilding" drum for a while now, too. But I think I'm done with that. I know Shanahan was handed a pile of dogsh*t when he took over this team. Fair enough. [B]But there are plenty of teams that go from very poor one year to playoff caliber the next. Look no further than this week's opponent. San Fran was a bad team last year. They're 6-1 and a near shoe-in to win their division at this point.[/B] And they're doing it with Alex Smith and for the most part a no-name offense. Sure their D is solid, but still. They're 6-1.

Shanahan has had his hands on this team for nearly two years. The defense seems to be heading the right direction, but the offense seems to be getting worse each week.

It was Mike and Kyle's decision to ride with the Rex/Beck train. Fail. [B]It was their decision to ride with this garbage O-line bereft of any depth to speak of. Fail. [/B]
I know we're 3 wins "better" than the worst teams in the league after week 8, but I don't think we're really too far away from the St Louis and Miami's of the world.

We haven't had a franchise QB since, who, Joey Sunshine? Until we get one, it will be the same thing over and over, year after year.[/quote]

I'll bet the teams that appear to be turning the corner haven't neglected their offensive lines for more than a decade. San Fran spent two first round choices on interior linemen a year or so ago. Remember, before Trent Williams, there were [B]ZERO[/B] O-linemen selected in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels. We're seeing the results. Allen and Shanahan just haven't had enough drafts to assemble the line they really want.

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[quote=Mattyk;854218]Can't call for a youth movement and then lament letting someone like Hicks go.[/quote]

We need youth, but depth too. I don't love Artis Hicks or anything, just an example.

I'm just disheartened at the overall lack of effort and fire in most of the last 3 games. We're going backwards and getting beaten physically and mentally.

These players were all talking about how this season had a different feel. Well, let's see it fellas. Looks like the same crap to me.

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Was it just me or did we seem to lack effort yesterday? I can say with all the loses I have seen over the past 10 yrs I always felt the players gave the effort. Yesterday I did not come away with that feeling.

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[quote=Beemnseven;854244]I'll bet the teams that appear to be turning the corner haven't neglected their offensive lines for more than a decade. San Fran spent two first round choices on interior linemen a year or so ago. Remember, before Trent Williams, there were [B]ZERO[/B] O-linemen selected in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels. We're seeing the results. Allen and Shanahan just haven't had enough drafts to assemble the line they really want.[/quote]

San Francisco and Carolina have put a lot of resources into their respective offensive lines. People forget that Carolina has Ryan Kalil (sp?) at center and Jordan Gross at LT, those are two good foundations for an offensive line. I don't think the offensive line has been neglected, but there seems to be a steep drop off once you get to the back ups.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854265]San Francisco and Carolina have put a lot of resources into their respective offensive lines. People forget that Carolina has Ryan Kalil (sp?) at center and Jordan Gross at LT, those are two good foundations for an offensive line. [B]I don't think the offensive line has been neglected, but there seems to be a steep drop off once you get to the back ups.[/B][/quote]

Agreed. But on the bright side, that is improvement...not long ago we had backups as starters.

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[quote=Lotus;854267]Agreed. But on the bright side, that is improvement...not long ago we had backups as starters.[/quote]

By not long ago do you mean yesterday?

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[quote=GMScud;854276]By not long ago do you mean yesterday?[/quote]

I didn't mean through injury replacements, I meant as a matter of course.

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chester, lich, montgomery, williams and brown seems like the best opening day line weve had in a long time.

i feel like weve done a good job revamping the O line the past 2 years. perhaps none are top tier talent but they are all seemingly solid starters imo. i guess we could use some upper end talent

i just dont feel like our O line needs that much more attention. were just really banged up right now.

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[quote=Mattyk;854218]Can't call for a youth movement and then lament letting someone like Hicks go.[/quote]Agree. The decision to get rid of a washed up player like Artis Hicks is not what is ailing this team right now.

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[quote=over the mountain;854282]chester, lich, montgomery, williams and brown seems like the best opening day line weve had in a long time.

[B]i feel like weve done a good job revamping the O line the past 2 years[/B]. perhaps none are top tier talent but they are all seemingly solid starters imo. i guess we could use some upper end talent

i just dont feel like our O line needs that much more attention. were just really banged up right now.[/quote]

They've done a good job getting new bodies but that's about it. Anyone can sign bodies. Jamal Brown is pure garbage at RT. Not sure if he's more comfortable over on the left side but he can't play RT. So the Brown experiment over on the right side hasn't panned out at all. Fail. Also Chester isn't any good either. Who's idea was it to sign him???? Fail! The right side needs an overhaul!

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We ought to try and model player's return to us in dollar terms. Hicks would net us about 10 bucks for one or two more years. Only problem is, we need one thousand dollars coming from our linemen. Rookies might do worse than his 10 bucks, but they can do much better. And in the NFL, if you don't at least try to win big with your roster moves, you won't win at all.

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i wouldnt write off chester yet. it seems we did sign him for a few mil more than he is probably worth but i think we are much better off with him compared to the other options. i dont think the 4 or 5 yr 21 mil deal will hinder us from upgrading the team or making other personnel moves.

with brown, after trent went down the talk was about how with browns leg injury he would be alot better off on the left side because he wouldnt have to anchor on his bad leg like he does on the right side and that he sounded excited and optimistic about his play stepping up on the left side vs the right . . . then our coaching staff keep him on the right side . . i would like to see brown move over to the left just to see if there is any truth to the notion he wont have to use his bad leg as much . .who knows maybe even a mental placebo effect might happen where brown plays better on the left b/c he thinks he can play better on the left.

hes always thought and consider himself a left tackle, thats why he got traded from the saints, they wanted him to play RT and be paid like a RT, he thought otherwise.

idk i was watching the game with no audio on a 1 foot by 1 foot tv yesterday but chester was doing well the first couple games when we ran the stretch, he was using his feet and getting into the second level like he is supposed to . .just no dang holes at all the last couple of weeks. 29 rushing yds, with the qb getting half of those is bad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854192]How much OL depth do teams really have? I you lose two starters and it's pretty inevitable you're going to have some start some playing some retreads or inexperienced guys.[/quote]

phi normally keeps 10 and has 8 that can start without giving up 9 sacks.

we were short 3 backups coming into the season. cook and locklear are the only backups we really have, and they're fairly low tier #2s. Ideally brown would be our 6th OL and not starting, and chester wouldn't be starting either.

I was shocked we didn't sign anyone good in the offseason (if anyone cares to check). If we got a new RG/RT and pushed those two to backupp status, we'd still need another backup OG and an upgrade to cook.

You can get by with average WRs and a decent QB if the line is good. 9 sacks and 30 yards rushing or whatever it was is beyond pathetic though.