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[quote=GTripp0012;851521]Maybe he should fire his personnel guy who isn't getting him the talent?[/quote]

Hisself?

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[quote=mbedner3420;851601]When was wesbrook considered a go to receiv... Oh I see what you did there.[/quote]


Bingo LOL

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People always overreact. Sure, you feel bad about losing, but as always the sky isn't falling.

1) [B]Beck looked good[/B]. One reason he didn't look as good in the first half was they were running 90% of the time. He didn't get a rhythm until the 2nd half. There were 3-5 dropped passes that didn't help, and our defense sucked big time to destroy his chances. We can win with him if our D gets back.

2) [B]Defense[/B] What happened? What's up with that talk about a top 5 to top 10 defense?? Was not having Atogwe to back up Hall/Wilson the reason? The D was the reason we were 3-1, and it is one of the reasons we lost the last two games. The first half against Eagles and the 2nd half of this game the defense gave up scoring drives 7 of 9 drives. Like they weren't even playing the game. Given the Bills offense, we're going to have a tough time next week as well.

3) [B]Shanahan will not be fired[/B]. That just stupid.
4) [B]Injuries[/B] - Every team goes through them, but seems like our best / key players are always fragile. Moss, Cooley, TW, Hightower, Atogwe, Licht.
5) Remember, each loss hurts, but perhaps the silver lining on these is that it was supposed to be a rebuilding year and the losses give us a better shot at a better draft pick /QB.

On the whole, I'm starting to think secondary/CB is a bigger priority than I thought for next year.

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[quote=tryfuhl;851602]Hisself?[/quote]Actually, the idea of a head coach getting fed up with his personnel guy and firing him is pretty funny. The only thing more screwed up than a power structure like that is one where the coach actively prevents himself from building a talented roster.

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[quote=ethat001;851605]
3) [B]Shanahan will not be fired[/B]. That just stupid.
[/quote]

I appreciate that (even if that "stupid" remark is directed my way); I just want reassurance he won't be fired. I think he is a solid coach and I want consistency.

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[quote=mbedner3420;851607]I appreciate that (even if that "stupid" remark is directed my way); I just want reassurance he won't be fired. I think he is a solid coach and I want consistency.[/quote]

Snyder has had a quick hook in the past but he is in awe of Shanny. Unless we completely tank, Shanny isn't going anywhere.

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[B]3) Shanahan will not be fired. That just stupid.[/B]

This

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;851527]My Smackdown goes to the lack of overall talent on the team.

Here are my locks for the 2012 starting lineup if I was coach/gm. All the spots that are left blank I feel like are open to having new starters. Plus we still need depth across the board. I like our LG too, but the injury he had was pretty serious.[/quote]It is real early, but looking forward to 2012.

DE - Cofield / Golston
NT - Jenkins / Neild
DE - Carriker / Bowen
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB - FLETCHER - maybe 1 more year left.
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN
CB -
SS - LANDRY
FS - OTOGWE
CB -

WR -
WR -
LT - WILLIAMS
LG - Don't know if KL makes it back from a very serious knee injury
C - MONTGOMERY / Cook
RG - CHRIS CHESTER
RT - Brown
TE - Davis
RB - Torain / Helu / Hightower
FB - YOUNG
QB -

We've got to shore up the run D. I think a healthy Jenkins will bolster the front 3. We've got problems at MLB, Fletch won't last forever and Rocky's up & down. Our CBs are sub-par at best.

I like what we have at TE, our OL has played above expectations, although the KL injury couldn't have come at a worse time. Our RBs are solid and MS has a knack for finding players there. Young has been playing well. We need a QB.

I think we've improved our overall talent at OL/DL/RB/FS this off-season. Got to build from the lines and middle of the field first. WRs can be found, it's funny how a top flight QB makes a good WR corps. We've got needs at QB, CB, ILB & WR next off-season.

We're struggling with the run right now and from what I see it's not a physical issue, its a gap discipline/angle/responsibility issue. Rak, LL stood out (in a bad way) Bowen still flowing too hard with stretch action away also. Our secondary is bad without OJA. Hall & Wilson aren't good cover corners. Smith made them both look real bad. One of the big pass plays was getting Rak in coverage on LaFell (good design by CAR) and Barnes not getting over to help. The nice throw/catch to Smith was on Wilson with 37 getting there late (that hasn't happened before). Smith just abused Hall / Wilson on a couple others.

Edit: not directed at you, but just to add, no way I see MS getting fired even if we lose out.

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[QUOTE=mbedner3420;851607]I appreciate that (even if that "stupid" remark is directed my way); I just want reassurance he won't be fired. I think he is a solid coach and I want consistency.[/QUOTE]


Haha.. Sorry, the comment wasn't directed directly at you. Just that [U]to fire Shanahan would be ludicrous[/U]. The reason we've sucked for so long is that we install a new coach every 1-2 years. Each coach installs a new system, each coach selects/drafts players that fit the system, and then we fire the coach. That leaves a roster of wasted players who each new coach gets rid of. Wastes a lot of draft/FA and puts the organization back years.

Look at Pittsburgh - they've had [U]16 coaches in their team history[/U]. We've had 7 in the last 10-11 years. Stability is good for the team, and I think Shanny is worth keeping at least 4-5 years, probably more. I like the direction he has us headed in.

We lost today, but that's just one game. Shanny's draft and free agency (minus McNabb), have been excellent. I believe he's revamped our core which should benefit us[U] for years to come[/U]. Can't change everything in 1.5 years.

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[quote=GMScud;851587]Let me answer for Smootsmack- Hell no. I'll be the first to admit, MS has bungled the QB situation to an extent. However, look at the steamy pile of ish of a football team he was handed. An old, crappy roster bereft of speed and talent. You can't turn that around in 22 regular season games. We're getting younger and faster, but this team was so badly in the toilet when the current coaching staff took over. You don't hire a 2x Super Bowl champ only to fire him so quickly.

[B]Things take time. And for god's sake, he's 3-3 not 0-6.[/B]

Also, who in the media is calling for Shanny's head?[/quote]
High Football IQ...Thank you for being a voice of reason were sitting here panicing like were the eagles or colts

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Lol M3420 is getting killed and he wasn't even wanting MS fired

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Pretty much my gut* told me that Beck would spark the offense. He delivered...a little late, but he still delivered.

*Same gut told me that Rex Grossman would give life to an offense Donovan McNabb was unable to. I'm 2-for-2!!!!!

[QUOTE=pg86;851618]High Football IQ...Thank you for being a voice of reason were sitting here panicing like were the eagles or colts[/QUOTE]

I propose we put a moratorium on using the term "high/low football iq." It's being overused way too much today.

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[quote=ethat001;851605]People always overreact. Sure, you feel bad about losing, but as always the sky isn't falling.

1) [B]Beck looked good[/B].

2) [B]Defense[/B]


3) [B]Shanahan will not be fired[/B]. That just stupid.
4) [B]Injuries[/B] -
5) Remember, each loss hurts, .[/quote]

1) for a competent competing NFL team, beck DID NOT LOOK GOOD. he had flashes at the end but overall he showed that he limits an offense and is not an NFL qb. nor is rex or anyone weve had the last 10 years. makes mcnabb and his redskins passing yard setting season last year look pretty good huh?..before he was benched for not calling kyles plays as kyle wanted them called. ..but man we put up yards, points and big plays last year. i think.

2) defense is good. weve played some of the shitty most injured O lines ive ever seen but the D is good enough. not top 5 or 10 but 15ish.

3) shanny isnt going anywhere, unless he walks after next year

4) injuries - almost haf way thru the season we have them

5) losses hurt if you thought this team was 8-8 or better.

this team is improved but we arent going to stop being the skins (good D, pedestrian O) until we get a legit qb . . . year in year out, same crap different year.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851622]Pretty much my gut* told me that Beck would spark the offense. He delivered...a little late, but he still delivered.

*Same gut told me that Rex Grossman would give life to an offense Donovan McNabb was unable to. I'm 2-for-2!!!!![/quote]

lol mcnabb gave us about 10 games of the most exciting explosive offense we have seen from a qb in b&g in 15 plus years (minus todd collins 4 or so games). . . id bet money he had the most 20 yards plus plays per attempt of any qb the past 15 years.

pretty sure if he wasnt pulled he was on pace or near pace to set skins single season passing yards record. . .

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Yep.. All Becks fault for this loss.. We need a legit QB to fix these issues. I mean, him throwing the ball into the WR/TE's hands for drops, and throwing 100% accurate back shoulder fade routes to WR who also drop them is totally his fault.

Not to mention that horrendous sense of feeling pressure and running in for a 4 yard touchdown? What was he thinking? My Redskins don't do that... They are much more content on taking the sack there and settling for 3 points.

At least Gano is good.. Totally should of kicked that guy off the team last year. What are we thinking? I mean.. Allowing players to develop into good players? Totally disgusted...

John Beck.. WHAT where you thinking when you threw the ball between two defenders and low where only Fred Davis could of caught it for the touchdown? Come on man.. You have only played 5 quarters and you are our leading rushing in touchdowns for piss sakes!!!

It's totally getting absurd that this team is PACKED with talent and our QB is holding us back from winning..

I mean.. Bradford right now is living the life. He's a great prospect to be a great QB. He has all this talent around him, and it shows!!! WR's catching every ball, and having a healthy backfield that can produce yards to help the passing game!!!

Man.. We are on our way folks.. Just a QB draft away!! I'm so pumped.

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[quote=GTripp0012;851532]Forget three years ago, this team is one of the worst talented now.

I don't mind losing if losing is productive in the big picture. Losing isn't fun but watching young guys do well is. We have one young guy playing at a high level: Kerrigan. With pretty much the whole roster being in it's prime, the results are as good as they will get under this leadership. Adding a quarterback in the draft wouldn't have changed the result of today's game unless we could have jumped on them early. No matter what the gameplan ultimately is, you have to be able to throw the ball early to get a lead.[/quote]

I don't agree that it's one of the "worst talented", and I don't agree the "whole roster is in it's prime". The main difference now vs. three years ago is that Shanny's placed some youth in key positions for the future -- nucleus of our talent is now younger. Orakpo, TW, Kerrigan, etc -- all could get a lot better over the next few years.

Shanny's moves:
- Kerrigan - [U]young[/U], great so far
- TW - [U]young[/U], has shown flashes, still not consistent but overall good
- Bowen/Cofield - [U]relatively young/in prime (27)[/U], have at least 4-5 years left, been good overall
- Carriker - [U]young, in prime 27[/U], good overall, gotten for rotating draft picks
- Atogwe - aging 30yo, ?hasn't shown much so far
- [U]Promising youth[/U]: Helu, ?Jenkins

Others (non-shanny):
- Orakpo - [U]young[/U], great rusher, below average pass coverage
- F.Davis - [U]young[/U], good TE
- Landry - [U]young[/U], good at strong safety, liability when overpursues
- Aging old guard: S.Moss / Cooley - now average
- aging: J.Brown - 30yo

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[quote=over the mountain;851630]lol mcnabb gave us about 10 games of the most exciting explosive offense we have seen from a qb in b&g in 15 plus years (minus todd collins 4 or so games). . . id bet money he had the most 20 yards plus plays per attempt of any qb the past 15 years.

pretty sure if he wasnt pulled he was on pace or near pace to set skins single season passing yards record. . .[/quote]

I measure explosion by touchdowns, not yards. 14 TDs and 15 INTs in 13 games versus 13 TDs and 13 INT in 8. I'll take the latter.

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[quote=GTripp0012;851606]Actually, the idea of a head coach getting fed up with his personnel guy and firing him is pretty funny. The only thing more screwed up than a power structure like that is one where the coach actively prevents himself from building a talented roster.[/quote]
What happened to the Goodmans or real personnel staff?

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doesn't look like the Goodmans are coming. Mo Brown and Campbell are doing a fine job, but Brown is on the short list for some GM jobs

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851640]I measure explosion by touchdowns, not yards. 14 TDs and 15 INTs in 13 games versus 13 TDs and 13 INT in 8. I'll take the latter.[/quote]

td/int ratio sounds efficiency . . 20 plus yard plays per attempt sounds like splosion to me. mcnubb had like 24 in 7, 28 in 8, 9 in 2. tonka toys man. u aint on my level

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[quote=over the mountain;851649]td/int ratio sounds efficiency . . 20 plus yard plays per attempt sounds like splosion to me. mcnubb had like 24 in 7, 28 in 8, 9 in 2. tonka toys man. u aint on my level[/quote]

What level is that? Because your level is of comprehension is astounding

If you are really going to argue anything in this thread about Mcnabb being explosive when he was just benched for the 2nd time in 2 years by two different teams for throwing balls in the dirt. Then you are as dumb as you seem while reading your posts.

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[quote=over the mountain;851649]td/int ratio sounds efficiency . . 20 plus yard plays per attempt sounds like splosion to me. mcnubb had like 24 in 7, 28 in 8, 9 in 2. tonka toys man. u aint on my level[/quote]

Mark Sanchez had more 20+ plays than McNabb. But he too had under 20 TDs, and the offense he runs was hardly considered explosive. TDs are a part of "explosion".

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Whew.. Lot of smack going down all over the place in this thread..

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[quote=Bucket;851652]What level is that? Because your level is of comprehension is astounding

If you are really going to argue anything in this thread about Mcnabb being explosive when he was just benched for the 2nd time in 2 years by two different teams for throwing balls in the dirt. Then you are as dumb as you seem while reading your posts.[/quote]

dang man, jus sayin seemed mcnubbs gave us a big pass play potential this offense seems to be lacking for a long time before his coming up to this year . . outisde of mcnabbs 10 games or so our offense hasnt ever stretched the field or opened things up for a long time . . . dont take yourself or the skins chances to seriously . . this 6-10 team last year is a 6-10 team this year . . till we get a legit qb. i feel sad for anyone taking these losses as a shock or heartfelt. a win here or there? sure. a competitive team? no . .but im the dumb one . . .hahaha maybe

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[quote=ethat001;851637]I don't agree that it's one of the "worst talented", and I don't agree the "whole roster is in it's prime". The main difference now vs. three years ago is that Shanny's placed some youth in key positions for the future -- nucleus of our talent is now younger. Orakpo, TW, Kerrigan, etc -- all could get a lot better over the next few years.

Shanny's moves:
- Kerrigan - [U]young[/U], great so far
- TW - [U]young[/U], has shown flashes, still not consistent but overall good
- Bowen/Cofield - [U]relatively young/in prime (27)[/U], have at least 4-5 years left, been good overall
- Carriker - [U]young, in prime 27[/U], good overall, gotten for rotating draft picks
- Atogwe - aging 30yo, ?hasn't shown much so far
- [U]Promising youth[/U]: Helu, ?Jenkins

Others (non-shanny):
- Orakpo - [U]young[/U], great rusher, below average pass coverage
- F.Davis - [U]young[/U], good TE
- Landry - [U]young[/U], good at strong safety, liability when overpursues
- Aging old guard: S.Moss / Cooley - now average
- aging: J.Brown - 30yo[/quote]I am saying that young and in-prime are two different things. If you are in your prime (Orakpo, Landry, Hall, Wilson, Carriker, Cofield, Bowen, McIntosh, Hightower, Armstrong, Davis) then a high level of performance is to be expected. Whereas if you are young (Kerrigan, Gano, Barnes, Jenkins, Trent Williams, Hank, Austin, Helu, Paul) then potential matters over substance.

What I'm not saying is: "you are either old, or youre young. And we're old."

If you look at that core and who is contributing compared to the youth, it's just not clear why this core will be better in future seasons. It's a mature core. Kerrigan looks great and has his best days ahead of him, but for every Kerrigan there's a Barnes.

Now, if the core of the roster is good, that's what is reflected in your record. So while we may have good, young players in their prime, what we don't have is a winning team propelled by that core. And so in a field of 32 teams, it looks pedestrian.

The way to turn that around quickly is to make that second list look like a who's who list of tomorrow's pro-bowlers. Right now it's Kerrigan, a kicker, an injured rookie, an injured second year player, and a bunch of guys who need to crack the roster soon to provide optimism. Still plenty of upside there, but each week you get no return out of it sets the franchise back. And it justifies the questions I am asking.

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Football players' "growth" can be viewed as climbing a sigmoid function curve. and any debate on "where our team is" can be seeing how many points are on a certain section of the curve.

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coaches......

feels like we are just not with the times...

SLO DEVELOPING PLAYS no matter run or pass..... I honestly think we have 4 running plays... and 8 passing plays ... and Thats it... runs get stretched out either go backwards or side ways HALF the time.. barely ever run straight between the tackles... we never Run quick slants in the passing game .... we don't trya tosses.. we don't run counters.. we donyake deep Shots often enough.. seriously don't think we have had a.big play td since 2005....

its absolutely pathetic and looks like a high school offense its a fuxking joke...

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[quote=GMScud;851587]Let me answer for Smootsmack- Hell no. I'll be the first to admit, MS has bungled the QB situation to an extent. However, look at the steamy pile of ish of a football team he was handed. An old, crappy roster bereft of speed and talent. You can't turn that around in 22 regular season games. We're getting younger and faster, but this team was so badly in the toilet when the current coaching staff took over. You don't hire a 2x Super Bowl champ only to fire him so quickly.

Things take time. And for god's sake, he's 3-3 not 0-6.

Also, who in the media is calling for Shanny's head?[/quote]

Finally someone who understands where this team was and how its going to get to where it wants to be.

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I think the rest of the year Smackdown award goes to GMScud. Poor guy has to try to think of what to post in his Stud thread every wek for the rest of the year! Can you say writers block?

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Let's lay some smackdown to the injury bug for ****ing with us again this year.

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For those calling for MS's head here is a great read about Bill Walsh and what he had to start with when he first got to SF.

[I]Most people think Jim Plunkett, when he failed with the Patriots after being the first overall pick in the draft in 1971 NFL Draft, was dealt to Oakland. Not so. New England traded him to San Francisco first, and after two years with the Niners, he was released and got picked up by Oakland. The Raiders won two Super Bowls with Plunkett at the helm.

The Carson Palmer trade this week got me to thinking about the Plunkett deal, and about the subsequent deal the Niners made for O.J. Simpson two years later. And it caused me to reassess my opinion of Bill Walsh, and to think of him as greater than I'd thought of him over the years -- and my opinion of him already couldn't have been much better. Let me explain.

Thirty-five years ago, front offices in the NFL obviously had much different views of draft choices than they do today. In 1976, Plunkett was a 28-year-old quarterback who had bottomed out in New England. Still, San Francisco traded quarterback Tom Owen, two first-round picks in 1976, and first- and second-round picks in 1977 for Plunkett ... and released him after he went 11-15 in two seasons.

If it's possible, the Niners made an even worse trade for the battered and used-up O.J. Simpson in 1978, even after the Plunkett trade stripped them of the chance to pick four top prospects. For Simpson -- who would be 31 when he took the field for the Niners, and shot after a career on the artificial turf in Buffalo -- the Niners dealt second- and third-round picks in 1978, first- and fourth-round picks in 1979, and a second-round pick in 1980. Simpson wound up struggling behind a bad line and gaining just 1,018 yards in two years before retiring.

So for two players who essentially helped the franchise regress, this is what San Francisco paid in a four-year period:

First-round picks: 4. Second-round picks: 3. Third-round picks: 1. Fourth-round picks: 1.

Walsh arrived in 1979; he must have been in agony seeing the first overall pick go off to Buffalo because of the mind-blowingly expensive trade for Simpson. (The Bills had their own problems in the front office; linebacker Tom Cousineau was Buffalo's pick, with that top pick acquired from San Francisco, and he never played a snap for the Bills. He signed in Canada. He later had his rights dealt for the pick that became Jim Kelly, so it wasn't a total washout for Buffalo.) Forced to improvise for a quarterback on draft day 1979, Walsh picked Joe Montana in the third round. Finally back with a full load of picks in 1981, Walsh took Ronnie Lott in the first round. I find it amazing how quickly Walsh restocked a bad team and made it a champion.
[/I]

I would say lets hang in there with MS for a little longer guy has us on the right track.

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[quote=mredskins;851730]For those calling for MS's head here is a great read about Bill Walsh and what he had to start with when he first got to SF.

[I]Most people think Jim Plunkett, when he failed with the Patriots after being the first overall pick in the draft in 1971 NFL Draft, was dealt to Oakland. Not so. New England traded him to San Francisco first, and after two years with the Niners, he was released and got picked up by Oakland. The Raiders won two Super Bowls with Plunkett at the helm.

The Carson Palmer trade this week got me to thinking about the Plunkett deal, and about the subsequent deal the Niners made for O.J. Simpson two years later. And it caused me to reassess my opinion of Bill Walsh, and to think of him as greater than I'd thought of him over the years -- and my opinion of him already couldn't have been much better. Let me explain.

Thirty-five years ago, front offices in the NFL obviously had much different views of draft choices than they do today. In 1976, Plunkett was a 28-year-old quarterback who had bottomed out in New England. Still, San Francisco traded quarterback Tom Owen, two first-round picks in 1976, and first- and second-round picks in 1977 for Plunkett ... and released him after he went 11-15 in two seasons.

If it's possible, the Niners made an even worse trade for the battered and used-up O.J. Simpson in 1978, even after the Plunkett trade stripped them of the chance to pick four top prospects. For Simpson -- who would be 31 when he took the field for the Niners, and shot after a career on the artificial turf in Buffalo -- the Niners dealt second- and third-round picks in 1978, first- and fourth-round picks in 1979, and a second-round pick in 1980. Simpson wound up struggling behind a bad line and gaining just 1,018 yards in two years before retiring.

So for two players who essentially helped the franchise regress, this is what San Francisco paid in a four-year period:

First-round picks: 4. Second-round picks: 3. Third-round picks: 1. Fourth-round picks: 1.

Walsh arrived in 1979; he must have been in agony seeing the first overall pick go off to Buffalo because of the mind-blowingly expensive trade for Simpson. (The Bills had their own problems in the front office; linebacker Tom Cousineau was Buffalo's pick, with that top pick acquired from San Francisco, and he never played a snap for the Bills. He signed in Canada. He later had his rights dealt for the pick that became Jim Kelly, so it wasn't a total washout for Buffalo.) Forced to improvise for a quarterback on draft day 1979, Walsh picked Joe Montana in the third round. Finally back with a full load of picks in 1981, Walsh took Ronnie Lott in the first round. I find it amazing how quickly Walsh restocked a bad team and made it a champion.
[/I]

I would say lets hang in there with MS for a little longer guy has us on the right track.[/quote]Right.The Redskins have made many shrewd moves this year. I am inclined to believe Allen is more than just a "negotiate the deals" guy and has some say on whether to pull the trigger on a guy or not. Either way, this last season is just a bit out of the ordinary for Mike Shanahan, and in good way, so I hope he keeps it up.

Franchises can actually recover quite quickly from bust move [B]as long as[/B] they have the resources to do so(draft picks) and their scouting is not complete ass so they can hit on those picks, but if they do, watch out.

Drafted JaMarcus Russell? Just draft McFadden the next year, endure him playing soft for a couple years, and then after fixing his "head", watch the beast tear it up in the league.

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I'd like to lay some smack down to the NFL for the kick off rule. Did Banks even get one return yeserday? That rule has basically taken away our most explosive player. Might as well have just placed the ball on the 20 yesterday and not even wasted the time kicking it. Such a HORRIBLE rule. One of the annoucers said that touch backs were up 300%.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851728]Let's lay some smackdown to the injury bug for ****ing with us again this year.[/quote]



....as was pointed out to me in the begining of the year ,all teams have them .

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[quote=Giantone;851739]....as was pointed out to me in the begining of the year ,all teams have them .[/quote]

Quite aware of having to deal with it. But, I can feel as angry as I want about it even if I have to deal with it.

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Haslett needs to run "how to recover fumbles" drill. How many balls have been on the ground this year we havent recovered?

I mean damn, forget Carlos' f*cking hands in years past, this has been a bigger disappointment.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;851350]Whole team today was poor IMO except beck TH and Davis[/quote]

Davis? If you ask me Davis was the turning point in the game. It was either 2nd or 3rd down in the 3rd and our O was starting to make some plays.Beck hit Davis going across the middle for what sould have been a first down but Davis drops the ball. We have to punt and we never had any momentum after that. I know that one drop did not cause us the win but its a play you have to make.

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[quote=calia;851481]I disagree about Davis. I realize he had a few good catches and a bunch of yards, but he dropped what would have been a key third down conversion that would have extended a drive when it was still a close game. We ended up giving Carolina the ball back, and they stuck it to us. It was a pass that bounced off of his hands and totally killed our momentum. No excuses. A good game isn't good enough -- you want to be elite, dude? Catch the passes that hit you in the hands EVERY TIME.

Furious about the whole effort. By the way, [B]I disagree about Wilson[/B]. I thought he had very good positioning on Steve Smith most of the game, but between Cam's really well placed passes and Smith's crazy talent, it's just hard to stop, The bigger problem, in my view, is that Cam had all freaking day. All day. We had 4 sacks in the first half and then the pressure just stopped, and he picked us apart.

So frustrated.[/quote]

I was going to post the same. Steve Smith is still a great WR. Wilson got his hand up w/in an inch of the ball to try & make the play at least 3 times. That's good coverage, but Cam & Smith executed those plays to perfection. The one on 3rd & 17 was sick for a rookie QB, that out is a tough throw.

Sadly, I would even say that Wilson outperformed our 2 best players on D; Rak & Landry.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;851571]Your definitions of building and of future are a lot looser than mine. I'm sure were doing something that justifies the last two weeks. Right?[/quote]


My definition of building for the future involves a miracle whether through natural causes or an accident involving foul play where Synder is no longer the owner of the Redskins. The sooner this happens the better so we no longer have to choose between discussing whose fault this loss was and whether we are better off with Beck vs Rex.