Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

Praise Jesus, Praise Allah! This is good news.

I would praise Buddah but he looks to much like Albert.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766642]Journalists are not lazy when they report facts. Those three guys - - along with Archuletta and Lloyd and - - you want me to go and find a few other names like Carrier? - - represent a sorry history of the ownership and the front office of the Washington Redskins for the last decade. Calling a reporter "lazy" simply allows you to pretend that the folks running this team for the last 10 years are better than stumblebums. They were not...


BTW, I think - - could not prove this beyond a reasonable doubt - - that signing Haynesworth was a Danny Boy move that Vinny merely carried out. Remember, I have had next to nothing nice to say about Vinny for the past 5-8 years but in this case, I suspect that this bad move is not something to put on his ledger.[/quote]

Getting Haynesworth essentially goes back to Blache. He didn't specifically say "I need Haynesworth" He said "I need a dominant DT to make my defense (dominant)"

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[quote=44ever;766641][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/19/shanahan-albert-haynesworth-to-play-any-position-redskins-ask-him/"]Shanahan: Albert Haynesworth to play any position Redskins ask him | ProFootballTalk[/URL]
Flipadelphia says:
[B]Jul 19, 2010[/B] 11:46 AM
"Fat Al is gonna tear that team apart. He will do his best to make sure they dont win this year and that he is released after or during the season.
Expect alot of grumbling, sitting on the bench alone and phantom injuries out of that guy"

^^^Whoever this guy is, he hit the nail right on, all the way back in July. In fact many fans of other teams said the same thing. Seems we were the only ones blinded once again by a "Big name" signing, well most of us.[/quote]

Well when you have thousands of post on a subject someone at some point is going to guess correctly but he did hit it right.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;766636]IMO it is a pattern and practice of lying to skins reps/coaches that is the problem, not the couple of drinks.

You look like a liar when you have a "bad" practice thursday, have drinks until atleast 1:30 am, then say you are sick and cant practice friday.[/QUOTE

You sure Al was out until 1:30 am? Both Al and the bartender said he was done well before 12:30.

In terms of him being sick, well the team doctor treated AH from what I understand.

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I often thought it would be more realistic if, instead of naming the sections of Fed Ex Field for famous Redskins, they named the sections of Fed Ex Field after the people the seats were actually paying for. You know, you would have the

The Albert Haynesworth Club Level
The Adam Archuletta Loge

...something like that

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[quote=12thMan;766649][QUOTE=over the mountain;766636]IMO it is a pattern and practice of lying to skins reps/coaches that is the problem, not the couple of drinks.

You look like a liar when you have a "bad" practice thursday, have drinks until atleast 1:30 am, then say you are sick and cant practice friday.[/QUOTE

You sure Al was out until 1:30 am? Both Al and the bartender said he was done well before 12:30.

In terms of him being sick, well the team doctor treated AH from what I understand.[/quote]

i was just going of what was reported and from the post in this thread with pictures. generally i would take into account a person's version, however at this point with him I dont put any weight to his own self-serving interest statements.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

He deserved it, plain and simple.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=mooby;766629]Well I never said having a drink is bad, but when you are apparantly drunk at 1:30 in the morning and you have to be at practice in the morning, it doesn't create a good impression.

This ain't the 80's anymore, and Joe Gibbs is not our coach. He put up with it knowing Riggins would give his best on the field, and that is not something Haynesworth is known for. Our current head coach preaches accountability, responsibility, and practicing good before you can play.[B] So why would you want to be out at 1:30 in the morning knowing you have to have a good practice in order to play? That just screams Haynesworth doesn't give a f.[/B]

Btw please don't compare Sonny Jurgensen and John Riggins to Albert Haynesworth. He may have the talent to be a HOFer, but he sure as hell doesn't have the right mentality. This isn't 20 years ago, and you can't just get away with behaving like an idiot and expecting people not to treat you like one.[/quote]

Do you honestly think I'm comparing those guys to AH?????????? C'mon.. And there is no proof that he was out that late. What I'm saying is it's not a big deal to go out and have a few drinks and be a professional athlete. I'd be willing to bet that AH wasn't the only guy to go out on Thurs. in the NFL. Get my point?

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[quote=mooby;766599]Well now we have an [URL="http://deadspin.com/5708279/albert-haynesworth-was-barhopping-thursday-late-for-practice-friday-suspended-for-rest-of-season-today"]idea[/URL] of where Fat Albert was on Thursday night. And there's photographic evidence too![/quote]

skinsfan69 - there is proof that AH was out with drink in hand at 1:30 am, its really just a matter of how much weigh and credibility to put towards it.

what mooby posted plus kelli johnsons tweet that "several team sources" said he was hungover.

i dont have a problem with a player having a drink or two, i would prefer they wouldnt during the season, especially towards the end of the work week . . . .what really really gets me is lying. i abhor lying, deceit and less than truthfulness done by any person in any situation. honestly, thats why i waited for the police to arrest me when i ran onto the field during the Os opening day. i could have jumped back into the stands and try and run off but thats just not me. if i do something, i accept the responsibilities. i realize i have a special sensitivity to lying and not being honest, i was the only person here who was upset with the skins tampering with AH. im still alil disappointed in some of you all by deflecting and justifying the actions with statements like everyone does it, etc. idk, im all hopped up on pain killers just got back from the hospital alil bit ago. surgery went well but im loopy right now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;766658]Do you honestly think I'm comparing those guys to AH?????????? C'mon.. And there is no proof that he was out that late. What I'm saying is it's not a big deal to go out and have a few drinks and be a professional athlete. I'd be willing to bet that AH wasn't the only guy to go out on Thurs. in the NFL. Get my point?[/quote]

Look my whole point is this isn't the 80's anymore, and it's not the drink thing that matters, it's the whole staying out late and drinking thing that does. NFL guys drink during the season, that's completely obvious, but how many guys do you see out on a weeknight (not even a friday night) around midnight being plastered? I trust the guys' judgement who wrote in to Deadspin a lot more than I trust Haynesworth's. I'd bet that 90% or more of the players on our rosters were at home past midnight on a Thursday night, either sleeping or doing something not stupid like going out bar hopping to get your drink on.

Would you go bar hopping past midnight on a Thursday night if you had to be at work early the next morning?

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[quote=jfwallace3;766518]This all just clouds the fact that the Skins have had a top 10 defense the past few years
(the one bright spot), and now they are dead last. If we were winning and AH was missing games / practice and slack'in then who cares.....but the fact is there are other players on this team who have not risen up to the challenge and prepared themselves for these last two division games. DON'T LET A.H. OR WAPO/MEDIA DISTRACT YOU FROM THE REAL TEAM. The rest of them need show up and get a win against Tampa! No low drat pick losing, learn how to win for now, next year, and so on.[/quote]

I totally agree with this. OK, Albert's gone. Now let see how this team respond. Al was a big part of the problem, but he was far from the only problem. Are these guys gonna suddenly stop dropping balls, start blocking, start tackling? We'll see.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766642]Journalists are not lazy when they report facts. Those three guys - - along with Archuletta and Lloyd and - - you want me to go and find a few other names like Carrier? - - represent a sorry history of the ownership and the front office of the Washington Redskins for the last decade. Calling a reporter "lazy" simply allows you to pretend that the folks running this team for the last 10 years are better than stumblebums. They were not...


BTW, I think - - could not prove this beyond a reasonable doubt - - that signing Haynesworth was a Danny Boy move that Vinny merely carried out. Remember, I have had next to nothing nice to say about Vinny for the past 5-8 years but in this case, I suspect that this bad move is not something to put on his ledger.[/quote]
I agree that reporting facts is not lazy, but trotting those names out whenever they type REDSKINS or SNYDER is what I am referring to. If Chris Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Patrick Willis were free agents and the Redskins signed them all, the lazy journalists I refer to would be saying, 'This is just like Deion, Bruce Smith and Haynesworth' because we spent money. We have made some terrible decisions, but report each case on it's merit rather than using 10 year old references to reinforce a point.

For example, watching ATH today, 3-4 "journalists" were calling Shanahan a failure already in DC because of the state of the team today, of course bringing up the 'same old Redskins' and even went as far as to question if we are even better than we were last year. Seriously? Can you tell me a legitimate sports journalist would even question if we are in better hands organizationally with Allen and Shanahan than we were with Cerrato and Zorn??? Yes, we've been ass crack lint for the better part of 10+ years, but can anyone NOT see how much better hands we are in long term, today being a major step in that direction. Shanahan & Co. demand professionalism, accountability and respect like nobody around here in a long time, INCLUDING Gibbs 2.0.

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[quote=12thMan;766612]This was a pissing contest from the jump. But more than anything, this drama, highlights Shanny's inability to manage an NFL team and high profile athletes in particular.

For all the talk of change, this team is wose off defesively, only 2 points per game better offensively, and appears to be poorly coached of late. Shanahan mishandled the Jason Campbell trade, he mishandled MacNabb, bungled "Derrick" Thomas, and the Haynesworth saga is well documented and will dog this coach for a long time, in my opinion.
[/quote]

Hi, your premis is that coddling and babying big name players leads to success (in a team sport where everyone has to work together), and your support for this conclusion is that the Redskins defense is bad right now...

Wow...

MS is in his first year, in a system that has suffered from 11 years of colossal Snyder brand "fantasy football" mismanagement.

He inherited an O-line devoid of a single worthy starter, a RB core that was/is used up, A WR core that suffers from Snyderrato picks, a D-line that that is suited to a 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4... LB's suited to the 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4, a terrible secondary... And then he had Dan Snyder pushing Donovan McNabb Willy Parker and Larry Johnson on him (Think about it for a minute before you scoff, when did Shanahan ever go after older running backs or veteran QB's via trade? He's always drafted them and pulled RB's out of no where, he may have signed off on them, but they still smell like every Dan Snyder fantasy football move pre Shanny).

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=mooby;766675]Look my whole point is this isn't the 80's anymore, and it's not the drink thing that matters, it's the whole staying out late and drinking thing that does. NFL guys drink during the season, that's completely obvious, but how many guys do you see out on a weeknight (not even a friday night) around midnight being plastered? I trust the guys' judgement who wrote in to Deadspin a lot more than I trust Haynesworth's. I'd bet that 90% or more of the players on our rosters were at home past midnight on a Thursday night, either sleeping or doing something not stupid like going out bar hopping to get your drink on.

[B]Would you go bar hopping past midnight on a Thursday night if you had to be at work early the next morning?[/quote][/B]

Not now no. But when I was younger there were nights when I was out late. I personally don't believe any of the sources ( bartenders ) anymore than I believe AH.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=44 70 chip;766697]Hi, your premis is that coddling and babying big name players leads to success (in a team sport where everyone has to work together), and your support for this conclusion is that the Redskins defense is bad right now...

Wow...

MS is in his first year, in a system that has suffered from 11 years of colossal Snyder brand "fantasy football" mismanagement.

He inherited an O-line devoid of a single worthy starter, a RB core that was/is used up, A WR core that suffers from Snyderrato picks, a D-line that that is suited to a 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4... LB's suited to the 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4, a terrible secondary... And then he had Dan Snyder pushing Donovan McNabb Willy Parker and Larry Johnson on him (Think about it for a minute before you scoff, when did Shanahan ever go after older running backs or veteran QB's via trade? He's always drafted them and pulled RB's out of no where, he may have signed off on them, but they still smell like every Dan Snyder fantasy football move pre Shanny).[/quote]

Agree with 99% of this...

However, Shanahan did go after Jake Plummer while in Denver - - and Plummer was hardly a wet-behind-the-ears rookie at the time. Since you asked...

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=44 70 chip;766697]Hi, your premis is that coddling and babying big name players leads to success (in a team sport where everyone has to work together), and your support for this conclusion is that the Redskins defense is bad right now...

Wow...

MS is in his first year, in a system that has suffered from 11 years of colossal Snyder brand "fantasy football" mismanagement.

He inherited an O-line devoid of a single worthy starter, a RB core that was/is used up, A WR core that suffers from Snyderrato picks, a D-line that that is suited to a 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4... LB's suited to the 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4, a terrible secondary... And then he had Dan Snyder pushing Donovan McNabb Willy Parker and Larry Johnson on him (Think about it for a minute before you scoff, when did Shanahan ever go after older running backs or veteran QB's via trade? He's always drafted them and pulled RB's out of no where, he may have signed off on them, but they still smell like every Dan Snyder fantasy football move pre Shanny).[/quote]

I can sign off on about 60% of this. I don't think McNabb, Parker and Johnson were Snyder moves. I wouldn't call our secondary (when healthy) terrible by any stretch.

I agree with the history of the past 11 years of mismanagement but in doing so you have to realize its going to take at least 2 full offseasons and by full I mean TRUE free agency plus drafts to change the roster to his vision. 2012 will probably be 'his' team, meaning a franchise QB, his style of RB, reliable WR and a strong OL. Right now we have none of these. This offseason we led the league in turnover but most of them were short term stopgap type deals. Even McNabb's deal means he won't be here past 2011. Its way too early to call the paint dry on Shanny's picture of this team.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766699]Agree with 99% of this...

However, Shanahan did go after Jake Plummer while in Denver - - and Plummer was hardly a wet-behind-the-ears rookie at the time. Since you asked...[/quote]

And the whole Browns D line (Gerard Warren, Courtney Brown, Ebenezer Ekuban and Michael Myers).

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=Paintrain;766696]I agree that reporting facts is not lazy, but trotting those names out whenever they type REDSKINS or SNYDER is what I am referring to. If Chris Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Patrick Willis were free agents and the Redskins signed them all, the lazy journalists I refer to would be saying, 'This is just like Deion, Bruce Smith and Haynesworth' because we spent money. We have made some terrible decisions, but report each case on it's merit rather than using 10 year old references to reinforce a point.

For example, watching ATH today, 3-4 "journalists" were calling Shanahan a failure already in DC because of the state of the team today, of course bringing up the 'same old Redskins' and even went as far as to question if we are even better than we were last year. Seriously? Can you tell me a legitimate sports journalist would even question if we are in better hands organizationally with Allen and Shanahan than we were with Cerrato and Zorn??? Yes, we've been ass crack lint for the better part of 10+ years, but can anyone NOT see how much better hands we are in long term, today being a major step in that direction. Shanahan & Co. demand professionalism, accountability and respect like nobody around here in a long time, INCLUDING Gibbs 2.0.[/quote]


There is no way on the planet that anyone can say that the 2010 Redskins are worse than the 2009 Redskins. With 4 games to play, this year's team has one more win than last year's team. You are what your record says you are - - and in this case it says the Redskins aren't real good but they are improved over last year when they were really awful.

Having said that, I would say that Mike Shanahan has fallen way short of expectations for this year. That is not to say he is a failure nor is it to say this team should have 9 wins at this point of the season. His "failures" have been in terms of building cohesion on the squad to make it into a team. It's not just Haynesworth - - and by the way that opera went on a lot longer than it should have.

We had DeAngelo Hall declaring that it is his defense and he is going to track the opposition's #1 receiver all over the field no matter what the defensive coordinator called or said. Even if he didn't mean it, that is not the kind of thing that should ever come out of the mouth of a player who is imbued with the concept of "TEAM".

And I think that it is Mike Shanahan's fault that the concept of "TEAM" has not taken hold in the 2010 Skins squad. That is a large portion of the job that a head coach has to do.

I also think that Shanahan's handling of the "McNabb benching" in the 48 hours after it occurred was juvenile. That is what I would have expected from a 35-year old rookie head coach not a guy with Super Bowl rings. He blew it - - and the bulls[p]it he tried to sell on that issue hung around in the locker room and stunk out the joint for a while.

The Skins are far better off with the current regime in place than they were - - - assuming that Danny Boy Snyder continues to sit on his thumb and to not try to insert himself into the running of the team or the construction of the roster for 2011. But Mike Shanahan has fallen way short of expectations despite the improvements he has obviously made.

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[QUOTE=mooby;766675]Look my whole point is this isn't the 80's anymore, and it's not the drink thing that matters, it's the whole staying out late and drinking thing that does. NFL guys drink during the season, that's completely obvious, but how many guys do you see out on a weeknight (not even a friday night) around midnight being plastered? I trust the guys' judgement who wrote in to Deadspin a lot more than I trust Haynesworth's. I'd bet that 90% or more of the players on our rosters were at home past midnight on a Thursday night, either sleeping or doing something not stupid like going out bar hopping to get your drink on.

Would you go bar hopping past midnight on a Thursday night if you had to be at work early the next morning?[/QUOTE

Bro, I can assure you many Redskins are out and about during the week drinking, that would include a few coaches too.

I'm not sure what's the norm around the league these days, but Redskins players have always been a part of the night life in D.C.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766705]There is no way on the planet that anyone can say that the 2010 Redskins are worse than the 2009 Redskins. With 4 games to play, this year's team has one more win than last year's team. You are what your record says you are - - and in this case it says the Redskins aren't real good but they are improved over last year when they were really awful.

Having said that, I would say that Mike Shanahan has fallen way short of expectations for this year. That is not to say he is a failure nor is it to say this team should have 9 wins at this point of the season. His "failures" have been in terms of building cohesion on the squad to make it into a team. It's not just Haynesworth - - and by the way that opera went on a lot longer than it should have.

We had DeAngelo Hall declaring that it is his defense and he is going to track the opposition's #1 receiver all over the field no matter what the defensive coordinator called or said. Even if he didn't mean it, that is not the kind of thing that should ever come out of the mouth of a player who is imbued with the concept of "TEAM".

And I think that it is Mike Shanahan's fault that the concept of "TEAM" has not taken hold in the 2010 Skins squad. That is a large portion of the job that a head coach has to do.

I also think that Shanahan's handling of the "McNabb benching" in the 48 hours after it occurred was juvenile. That is what I would have expected from a 35-year old rookie head coach not a guy with Super Bowl rings. He blew it - - and the bulls[p]it he tried to sell on that issue hung around in the locker room and stunk out the joint for a while.

The Skins are far better off with the current regime in place than they were - - - assuming that Danny Boy Snyder continues to sit on his thumb and to not try to insert himself into the running of the team or the construction of the roster for 2011. But Mike Shanahan has fallen way short of expectations despite the improvements he has obviously made.[/quote]
I'll agree that I expected far less drama than we had this year.. Hall, McNabb, Haynesworth-all too public and too much foolishness. He should have taken whatever was offered at the draft for Al. He should have reprimanded Hall for his comments (although I think in the grand scale they were really benign) and the McNabb handling was a disaster.

That being said I think the concept of TEAM is much stronger than it has been since the Taylor tragedy. It's unrealistic for anyone to expect that he or anyone else can completely change the tenor and culture of the entire locker room, especially with a room full of mercenaries, in one offseason.

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I wonder if there is a way a conditional pick can be obtained through negotiation to pay him the remainder of this year...only to release him as a free agent.

That would be cool.

Of course...I was one of the guys that suggested picking up Randy Moss if for no other reason than to obtain a 5 or 6th round conditional pick if he was not resigned.

You can tell, I really want some picks....screw the cash...it is gone...it is our only advantage anyways.

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Snyder isn't making moves anymore, he's just not.

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AH suspended for the remainder is music to my aching ears. I hope Coach and the NFL put AH's head on a tee and swing for the fences and find AH's actions guilty and counter productive and in violation taking back $$$$$$$ and maybe even banning him for a season or 2 heck for infinity. You shouldn't tamper with a prideful defense and destroy the integrity of the game.

What a paycheck whore AH has been to the Skins.

F U AH. Peace Im out.

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I haven't been posting in a month or so...just too depressed....wake me up when the skins get their crap together....of course....it took 10 years to get this bad....I just hope it doesn't take 10 to fix it

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[quote=12thMan;766707][QUOTE=mooby;766675]Look my whole point is this isn't the 80's anymore, and it's not the drink thing that matters, it's the whole staying out late and drinking thing that does. NFL guys drink during the season, that's completely obvious, but how many guys do you see out on a weeknight (not even a friday night) around midnight being plastered? I trust the guys' judgement who wrote in to Deadspin a lot more than I trust Haynesworth's. I'd bet that 90% or more of the players on our rosters were at home past midnight on a Thursday night, either sleeping or doing something not stupid like going out bar hopping to get your drink on.

Would you go bar hopping past midnight on a Thursday night if you had to be at work early the next morning?[/quote]

Bro, I can assure you many Redskins are out and about during the week drinking, that would include a few coaches too.[/quote]

Trust me I know all about players staying out late. Difference is the rest came to work ready to go the next morning, even if they were hurting. More importantly for too many years (saw it regularly during the Norv and Spurrier years) those who didn't come ready to play or practice got away with it with no repercussions. That cant fly if we want to ge successful. Albert insisted he had to do things his way to be ready to play. We let him and he ready. You want to be treated like a man, act like one

I'm not sure what's the norm around the league these days, but Redskins players have always been a part of the night life in D.C.[/QUOTE]

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Plus it's the repeated behavior, I mentioned this summer he couldn't practice one day because he was hungover

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/box-seats/2010/12/the_legal_side_of_the_hayneswo.html]Box Seats - The legal side of the Haynesworth suspension[/url]

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[quote=44ever;766725][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/box-seats/2010/12/the_legal_side_of_the_hayneswo.html]Box Seats - The legal side of the Haynesworth suspension[/url][/quote]

So he'll get paid one week. I think the Skins can live with that.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-haynesworthshanahan120710]For $100M, Haynesworth was chump change - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Good read

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[quote=DM72;766728]So he'll get paid one week. I think the Skins can live with that.[/quote]

But wasn't he deactivated because he was "Sick" so that wouldn't be the same reason that he is being suspended for.

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Albert Haynesworth has been told to grow up and be a man.

AH is so upset that someone finally spoke to him Man 2 Man. He goes on a local Radio Station and shows his true colors.

AH only came here because the money was right and our front office was ****ed to shit.

AH bitched, moaned and complained about the scheme last year. He said he wasn't being used properly. He said the DC didn't know how to use him and he felt restricted.

AH said that he finally felt comfortable this year when Hasslett took him out the Okeye formation and they just let him get in the 4-3 type formation where he could understand the formation better.


I can go on and on about this shit. AH being put in his place is the right thing to do. I would love to see him here next and be placed on IR in the first week. Hell we have saved $3.5 mil this week, I say **** it put on IR for a hang nail next year and we can finally look like we are headed in some direction.

AH

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[quote=Mattyk;766716]Snyder isn't making moves anymore, he's just not.[/quote]

I agree Matty, look I don't like Snyder as a owner ...never have but give the man his due. He finaly hired the right team to run the team for him and he's doing exactly what he should ...sit back and let the GM and Head coach handle this mess.

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[quote=skinsfan69;766698][/B]

Not now no. But when I was younger there were nights when I was out late. I personally don't believe any of the sources ( bartenders ) anymore than I believe AH.[/quote]

Well I am young, and before I quit drinking I had done the same thing Haynesworth and other guys have, which is stay out late, get drunk, and go to work the next morning knowing I was making retarded decisions that could've cost me my job. The only difference between me and Haynesworth was that I got paid chump change compared to what he's making.

I honestly don't care what players do on their own time, as long as it isn't dealing drugs, going into a packed club and whippin' their gats out as a show of force, or w/e, basically anything that can get them in serious trouble. I'm not stupid, and I don't think that just because these guys are multi-millionaires it means that they behave like jehovah's witnesses. All I ask is that they show up to work on time, follow the coach's rules, and try to at least set a good example if you are a vet that the younger players might look up to.

@12thman: Like I just reiterated above, I'm not perceptive to the belief that all of the 53 guys on the roster are in bed by 9 pm to wake up bright and early to have a good practice like some of us. That much is obvious when there's pictures all over the web of guys like Portis/Moss/Taylor out drinking at prominent nightclubs in DC. I'm just saying, I don't agree with it, I think it's stupid, and the only way you can get away with it is if you are ready to go at practice the next morning. Haynesworth clearly wasn't, and it's just one in a long line of bad decisions made by him. I'm glad he's off the roster and will be out of our hair, because he's the only guy on the team that doesn't seem to get the big picture.

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Sorry if this has already been posted. good int. w/V. Holliday, who's pretty fair yet candid about AH:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5898387]Redskins lose Albert Haynesworth's big, protective shadow - ESPN[/url]

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Vonnie Holliday is quite good in that setting. When he's done his career, I could see him doing that for a living.

He really wanted to avoid saying AH is a bad teammate, but that is basically his bottom line.

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Not specifically AH related, and yet the timing seems so appropriate:

[url=http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/111529/sick-day-bounty-hunters?mod=career-worklife_balance]sick-day-bounty-hunters: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance[/url]

[QUOTE]Perhaps this is because workers have become increasingly inventive with their sick-day tomfoolery. This summer, Middletown (Pa.) schoolteacher Leslie Herneisey -- a three-time Teacher of the Year nominee -- was arrested and charged with lying to colleagues about having an inoperable brain tumor so she could take extended sick leave. In 2009 four firefighters in Haverhill, Mass., were suspended after a private investigator, hired by the mayor, caught them attending hockey games and engaging in other blatantly non-sick-day activities.[/QUOTE]

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=calia;766872]Vonnie Holliday is quite good in that setting. When he's done his career, I could see him doing that for a living.

He really wanted to avoid saying AH is a bad teammate, but that is basically his bottom line.[/quote]

I agree

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

For what it's worth to you:

I charted Albert has "making" 12 plays in just seven appearances this year. His best stretch of the season came after his half brother passed, with three big plays against Chicago and four against Detroit. He did not play at that level after the bye week. Best game after the bye was: Tennessee.

Albert's big issue was that we couldn't get him on the field, not that he wouldn't perform when he was there. It's an issue that we didn't have with him in 2009, but this is something that had to be a consideration when he was signed.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

It sure is better for Shanahan for everyone to be upset about AH then how bad our team is performing.
Kind of reminds me of the Ronald Reagan administration ploy, when the poll numbers would dip they would invade a small defenseless Caribbean island nation and claim a huge defeat over Communism.

Re: Big Al suspended for the remainder of season
 

[quote=GTripp0012;766895]For what it's worth to you:

[B]I charted Albert has "making" 12 plays in just seven appearances this year. His best stretch of the season came after his half brother passed, with three big plays against Chicago and four against Detroit. He did not play at that level after the bye week. Best game after the bye was: Tennessee.
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Albert's big issue was that we couldn't get him on the field, not that he wouldn't perform when he was there. It's an issue that we didn't have with him in 2009, but this is something that had to be a consideration when he was signed.[/quote]

That is more production than Golsten, Kemo and Carriker combined. Kidding.
Isn't AH second on the team with sacks?