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[quote=GMScud;631946]Every week, Jay Cutler looks more and more like Jeff George. He's terrible. Thank the lord we didn't ship off two 1st rounders for that jerk.[/quote]
Buddy, you are going over board putting Cutler down. Yes it is starting to look good that we did not get him, but that does not change the fact that we are still stuck with Campbell. He went out there today and last week and lost us the game. Cutler does not effect this. Two wrongs dont make a right.

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Are you sure that's how it went down? I thought the parties involved didn't want Campbell and that's the only reason we were left out of the Cutler sweepstakes.

The fact remains though, our front office wanted him. So again, they show their asses.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;631954]Buddy, you are going over board putting Cutler down. Yes it is starting to look good that we did not get him, but that does not change the fact that we are still stuck with Campbell. He went out there today and last week and lost us the game. Cutler does not effect this. Two wrongs dont make a right.[/quote]

Buddy, if you think Jason Campbell is the reason we lost the game today, then you're wrong. Our D played pretty poorly, and our pass protection is basically non-existent. Campbell made plays despite getting put on his ass over and over, completed 60% of his passes and had 3 touchdowns. Yeah he had two picks and missed a few WRs, but he also led us to 24 points on the road against a solid divisional rival.

I'm going overboard putting Cutler down? The guy looks lost. He's unemotional, a piss poor leader, and leads the league in INTs. And we almost gave up TWO first rounders for him!!

Nowhere did I say two wrongs make a right. But Campbell is playing MUCH better than Cutler this year. JC is not spectacular, but he certainly doesn't suck to the extent a lot of people around here think. And he sure as hell isn't the main reason we lost today.

Cutler and Sanchez were at the top of our FO's wish list. They currently have 40 interceptions combined and a combined passer rating under 70.

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[quote=GMScud;631982]Buddy, if you think Jason Campbell is the reason we lost the game today, then you're wrong. Our D played pretty poorly, and our pass protection is basically non-existent. Campbell made plays despite getting put on his ass over and over, completed 60% of his passes and had 3 touchdowns. Yeah he had two picks and missed a few WRs, but he also led us to 24 points on the road against a solid divisional rival.

I'm going overboard putting Cutler down? The guy looks lost. He's unemotional, a piss poor leader, and leads the league in INTs. And we almost gave up TWO first rounders for him!!

Nowhere did I say two wrongs make a right. But Campbell is playing MUCH better than Cutler this year. JC is not spectacular, but he certainly doesn't suck to the extent a lot of people around here think. And he sure as hell isn't the main reason we lost today.

Cutler and Sanchez were at the top of our FO's wish list. They currently have 40 interceptions combined and a combined passer rating under 70.[/quote]

Only if you could explain this to Vinny and Snyder.....

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[quote=GMScud;631946]Every week, Jay Cutler looks more and more like Jeff George. He's terrible. Thank the lord we didn't ship off two 1st rounders for that jerk.[/quote]

I would still make that trade for Cutler in a second. He is an elite talent. He needs better WR's and better coaching. That team has no running game, poor pass protection and average WR's.

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[quote=celts32;631988]I would still make that trade for Cutler in a second. He is an elite talent. He needs better WR's and better coaching. That team has no running game, poor pass protection and average WR's.[/quote]

You're kidding, right? You're making that argument for Cutler, but not for Campbell? Tell me you're putting on.

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[quote=GMScud;631982]Buddy, if you think Jason Campbell is the reason we lost the game today, then you're wrong. Our D played pretty poorly, and our pass protection is basically non-existent. Campbell made plays despite getting put on his ass over and over, completed 60% of his passes and had 3 touchdowns. Yeah he had two picks and missed a few WRs, but he also led us to 24 points on the road against a solid divisional rival.

I'm going overboard putting Cutler down? The guy looks lost. He's unemotional, a piss poor leader, and leads the league in INTs. And we almost gave up TWO first rounders for him!!

Nowhere did I say two wrongs make a right. But Campbell is playing MUCH better than Cutler this year. JC is not spectacular, but he certainly doesn't suck to the extent a lot of people around here think. And he sure as hell isn't the main reason we lost today.

Cutler and Sanchez were at the top of our FO's wish list. They currently have 40 interceptions combined and a combined passer rating under 70.[/quote]
I am not sure what game you watched, but JC played like crap, missed so many receivers and did not answer in the end. Gave two Int's that cost us dearly(six points). Man, you just don't know when to give up. Leave Cutler alone, worry about your own QB.

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[quote=celts32;631988]I would still make that trade for Cutler in a second. He is an elite talent. [B]He needs better WR's and better coaching. That team has no running game, poor pass protection and average WR's.[/B][/quote]

Hmmmm, sounds just like the Redskins. And yet which of the two QBs is having a better season? Exactly.

Cutler is a bum.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;631992]I am not sure what game you watched, but JC played like crap, missed so many receivers and did not answer in the end. Gave two Int's that cost us dearly(six points). [B]Man, you just don't know when to give up. Leave Cutler alone, worry about your own QB[/B].[/quote]

LOL. Whatever you say. JC played like crap?? Hahaha. I just finished listening to a few different analysts say he played a solid football game. I know what I saw today.

Leave Cutler alone? What are you, his mommy? I'll say whatever I please about that loser.

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What are you, his mommy? lol

My new sig

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His face still annoys me.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;631954]Buddy, you are going over board putting Cutler down. Yes it is starting to look good that we did not get him, but that does not change the fact that we are still stuck with Campbell. He went out there today and last week and lost us the game. Cutler does not effect this. Two wrongs dont make a right.[/quote]There's nothing wrong with being a fan of Jay Cutler, as he'll probably have better days than he's having right now in Chicago, but would it be so terrible to just act like a man and admit you were wrong?

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[quote=celts32;631988]I would still make that trade for Cutler in a second. He is an elite talent. He needs better WR's and better coaching. That team has no running game, poor pass protection and average WR's.[/quote]
It is too early to pack it in on him indeed; I mean Hester didn't get onto the field much as a receiver and suddenly he's the number 1? He only started half of the games last year. Cutler does have to stop throwing so many INTs though, you can put all of that on everyone else.

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[quote=GMScud;631995]LOL. Whatever you say. JC played like crap?? Hahaha. I just finished listening to a few different analysts say he played a solid football game. I know what I saw today.

Leave Cutler alone? What are you, his mommy? I'll say whatever I please about that loser.[/quote]
I have heard many analysts say he missed a bunch of open recievers. He was sacked one time. He had a chance to win the game. He failed. I can only remember one game were he won it in five years, New Orleans, last year. I hope this is the last year we have to suffer through his losing.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632005]I have heard many analysts say he missed a bunch of open recievers. He was sacked one time. He had a chance to win the game. He failed. I can only remember one game were he won it in five years, New Orleans, last year. I hope this is the last year we have to suffer through his losing.[/quote]No rush on that man-ing up, btw.

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[quote=12thMan;631990]You're kidding, right? You're making that argument for Cutler, but not for Campbell? Tell me you're putting on.[/quote]

Zorn has always been a good QB coach so Campbell is being coached well. Campbell checks down to much and has poor pocket pressense. Seriously what was that 3rd down and goal play up 5 pts where Campbell just winged it out of the back of the endzone with no pressure on him? Extend the play...make something happen! He is way to safe with the ball...great QB's take chances and make things happen. Campbell is happy to ge through a play without making a mistake.

Now Cutler is having a bad season...I just like his talent more. I still think he has the talent to be great if he gets the kind of coaching he was getting under Shanahan. He plays a lot like an undisciplined Favre...he needs to be reigned in.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632005]I have heard many analysts say he missed a bunch of open recievers. He was sacked one time. He had a chance to win the game. He failed. I can only remember one game were he won it in five years, New Orleans, last year. I hope this is the last year we have to suffer through his losing.[/quote]

Boy, you just don't really know much about football. Yeah, he was only sacked once because he did a good job of getting the ball out in the face of all that pressure, and he's got good mobility. How many times did he get put on as his ass as he was throwing or right after? You know, sometimes getting decked by a DE as you're releasing the ball can affect your accuracy. He's been getting pummeled all year.

You don't need analysts to tell you he missed a few open throws. Sure he did. He also accounted for 3 TDs. Trent Dilfer (I think it's a safe bet he knows more about quarterbacks than you do) said he played a solid game, as did Tom Jackson.

By the way, JC has led 7 game tying/winning drives in the 4th quarter in his career. So you may want to jog your memory a bit.

You're content to just blame all our losing on the QB rather than acknowledging the chaos that has gone on all around him ever since he was drafted. What a failure that is.

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[quote=GMScud;632013]Boy, you just don't really know much about football. Yeah, he was only sacked once because he did a good job of getting the ball out in the face of all that pressure, and he's got good mobility. How many times did he get put on as his ass as he was throwing or right after? You know, sometimes getting decked by a DE as you're releasing the ball can affect your accuracy. He's been getting pummeled all year.

You don't need analysts to tell you he missed a few open throws. Sure he did. He also accounted for 3 TDs. Trent Dilfer (I think it's a safe bet he knows more about quarterbacks than you do) said he played a solid game, as did Tom Jackson.

By the way, JC has led 7 game tying/winning drives in the 4th quarter in his career. So you may want to jog your memory a bit.

You're content to just blame all our losing on the QB rather than acknowledging the chaos that has gone on all around him ever since he was drafted. What a failure that is.[/quote]
Well I may not know alot about football, but I knew JC was not a good QB and we should get rid of him in 2007, when he was taking us down the drain, until he got hurt and Collins who is mediocre at best, took us to the playoffs.

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[quote=GMScud;632013]Boy, you just don't really know much about football. Yeah, he was only sacked once because he did a good job of getting the ball out in the face of all that pressure, and he's got good mobility. How many times did he get put on as his ass as he was throwing or right after? You know, sometimes getting decked by a DE as you're releasing the ball can affect your accuracy. He's been getting pummeled all year.

You don't need analysts to tell you he missed a few open throws. Sure he did. He also accounted for 3 TDs. Trent Dilfer (I think it's a safe bet he knows more about quarterbacks than you do) said he played a solid game, as did Tom Jackson.

By the way, JC has led 7 game tying/winning drives in the 4th quarter in his career. So you may want to jog your memory a bit.

You're content to just blame all our losing on the QB rather than acknowledging the chaos that has gone on all around him ever since he was drafted. What a failure that is.[/quote]Well stated, GMScud.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632016]Well stated, GMScud.[/quote]
Oh, OK the two diehard delusional Campbell supporters, teaming up agianst a realist.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632017]Oh, OK the two diehard delusional Campbell supporters, teaming up agianst a realist.[/quote]A realist? No, I was responding to you, my friend.

Perhaps when you're older.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632017]Oh, OK the two diehard delusional Campbell supporters, teaming up agianst a realist.[/quote]

I'm not a diehard delusional Campbell supporter. I'm definitely not sold on him as our future starter beyond 2009. Never have I said he's a great or even a very good QB. I said he's solid. I just strongly disagree with your assessment that he's the main reason we're losing.

I'm also baffled by your defense of Jay Cutler.

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[quote=GMScud;632023]I'm not a die hard delusional Campbell supporter. I'm definitely not sold on him as our future starter beyond 2009. Never have I said he's a great or even a very good QB. I said he's solid. I just strongly disagree with your assessment that he's the main reason we're losing.

I'm also baffled by your defense of Jay Cutler.[/quote]
Don't make me look like a Cutler defender. I am simply stating that just because Cutler is stinking it up in Chicago, does not mean that Campbell is the answer. I would trade Campbell, right now for Cutler. With all the bashing that you are giving me I am refusing to get belligerent about JC, but he has[B] proven he is not a franchise QB. [/B]You have always come to his defense and I am just saying that if you are a Skins fan above all else, you have to let go of the notion that he can be our franchise QB. You are so upset by the Cutler scandal, because you are so pro Campbell that you just don't see the truth.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632028]Don't make me look like a Cutler defender. I am simply stating that just because Cutler is stinking it up in Chicago, does not mean that Campbell is the answer. I would trade Campbell, right now for Cutler. With all the bashing that you are giving me I am refusing to get belligerent about JC, but he has[B] proven he is not a franchise QB. [/B]You have always come to his defense and I am just saying that if you are a Skins fan above all else, you have to let go of the notion that he can be our franchise QB. You are so upset by the Cutler scandal, because you are so pro Campbell that you just don't see the truth.[/quote]

I don't think Scud ever said he was so pro Campbell (just like I don't think you ever said you were so pro Cutler). I agree that just because Cutler is struggling that doesn't mean Campbell is the answer. Still, in spite of his poor interceptions I don't think he played like crap overall today

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632028]Don't make me look like a Cutler defender. I am simply stating that just because Cutler is stinking it up in Chicago, does not mean that Campbell is the answer. I would trade Campbell, right now for Cutler. With all the bashing that you are giving me I am refusing to get belligerent about JC, but he has[B] proven he is not a franchise QB. [/B]You have always come to his defense and I am just saying that if you are a Skins fan above all else, you have to let go of the notion that he can be our franchise QB. You are so upset by the Cutler scandal, because you are so pro Campbell that you just don't see the truth.[/quote]

serioiusly though you are defending cutler and why? cause he is a franschise qb? newsflash kyle orton is running that team pretty damn good w/o cutler's sorry ass around. i don't think jc is very good at all ask gmscud, but to say you would trade campbell for cutler right now is pretty dumb.

jc is a game manager, cutler is a game loser, we would be worse of w/o him and da bears would be better off with jc.

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[quote=SmootSmack;632031]I don't think Scud ever said he was so pro Campbell (just like I don't think you ever said you were so pro Cutler). I agree that just because Cutler is struggling that doesn't mean Campbell is the answer. Still, in spite of his poor interceptions I don't think he played like crap overall today[/quote]
Man SmootSmack you are a real diplomat. I am just hoping that if I win this argument, that we will get a knew QB and everything will be great. GMSCUD has been making me believe that Campbell may be the answer for two years. I am tired of forcing myself to have faith. I am done with Campbell. I dont care who we put in that position. It cant be worse that JC. I need change, just for change. Give me Bartel, give me McDaniel, anyone but Campbell.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632028]Don't make me look like a Cutler defender. I am simply stating that just because Cutler is stinking it up in Chicago, does not mean that Campbell is the answer. I would trade Campbell, right now for Cutler. With all the bashing that you are giving me I am refusing to get belligerent about JC, but he has[B] proven he is not a franchise QB. [/B]You have always come to his defense and I am just saying that if you are a Skins fan above all else, you have to let go of the notion that he can be our franchise QB. You are so upset by the Cutler scandal, because you are so pro Campbell that you just don't see the truth.[/quote]

1) I never said Campbell is the answer. I certainly don't think he's our franchise QB. Did you even read my last post? I specifically said I'm not sold on him as the starter after this season.

2) I am certainly not "so pro campbell."

3) Nothing about Jay Cutler upsets me. I just think he's overrated. A huge arm and nothing else right now. What scandal are you referring to? He's an emotionless poor leader, and I think he's a jerk for the way the handled Denver shopping him in the offseason. But I'm certainly not "so upset" over anything that has to do with Jay Cutler.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632035]Man SmootSmack you are a real diplomat. I am just hoping that if I win this argument, that we will get a knew QB and thing will be great. GMSCUD has been making me believe that Campbell may be the answer for two years. I am tired of forcing myself to have faith. I am done with Campbell. I dont care who we put in that position. It cant be worse that JC. I need change, just for change. Give me Bartel, give me McDaniel, anyone but Campbell.[/quote]

Well I'm a moderator here...so it's kind of my responsibility to try to keep the peace.

I'm not even sure what the argument is here

And I think you're confusing GMScud with someone else, because he hasn't been beating the Campbell drum for two years

And who is McDaniel?

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[quote=SmootSmack;632039]Well I'm a moderator here...so it's kind of my responsibility to try to keep the peace.

I'm not even sure what the argument is here

And I think you're confusing GMScud with someone else, because he hasn't been beating the Campbell drum for two years

And who is McDaniel?[/quote]
Chase McDaniel

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632040]Chase McDaniel[/quote]

Try dropping the Mc

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632035]Man SmootSmack you are a real diplomat. I am just hoping that if I win this argument, that we will get a knew QB and everything will be great. GMSCUD has been making me believe that Campbell may be the answer for two years. I am tired of forcing myself to have faith. I am done with Campbell. I dont care who we put in that position. It cant be worse that JC. I need change, just for change. Give me Bartel, give me McDaniel, anyone but Campbell.[/quote]So,

1) GMScud ruined the Redskins by telling you to believe in Campbell, and

2) you've decided that camp fodder you've never heard of before is better than Campbell.

I believe that's called "keepin' it real".

For your next post, you should explain to us how the tooth fairy caused DeAngelo Hall to ruin the team's confidence in Jim Zorn. After all, that's the realist position, is it not?

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[quote=GTripp0012;632043]So,

1) GMScud ruined the Redskins by telling you to believe in Campbell, and

2) you've decided that camp fodder you've never heard of before is better than Campbell.

I believe that's called "keepin' it real".[/quote]
Look, right now, I would put you in, instaed of Campbell.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632044]Look, right now, I would put you in, instaed of Campbell.[/quote]I don't think I'd be caught dead playing for you, but assuming that you somehow have me under contract, I accept your nomination.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632043]So,
[B]
1) GMScud ruined the Redskins by telling you to believe in Campbell[/B], and

2) you've decided that camp fodder you've never heard of before is better than Campbell.

I believe that's called "keepin' it real".[/quote]

What a jerk I am! :)

Seriously though, as SmootSmack said, I sure as heck haven't been beating the JC drum for two years. For a while I preached patience with regard to JC because of all the chaos and constant change he's had to deal with.

Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks bad, but overall I just don't think he's ever really been put in a good position for success in any of his seasons with the Redskins.

And yeah, I'd take him over Jay Cutler right now in a second.

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It is possible that I have mistaken GMSCUD for someone else. It may be you GT. Not sure, but I can see a bunch of Redskins fans in a bar fight right now kicking the shit out of each other. This season makes no sense to me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632042]Try dropping the Mc[/quote]

At least he dropped the "s" that most people put at the end of his name

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[quote=GMScud;632047]What a jerk I am! :)

Seriously though, as SmootSmack said, I sure as heck haven't been beating the JC drum for two years. For a while I preached patience with regard to JC because of all the chaos and constant change he's had to deal with.

Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks bad, but overall I just don't think he's ever really been put in a good position for success in any of his seasons with the Redskins.

[B]And yeah, I'd take him over Jay Cutler right now in a second.[/B][/quote]So would anyone else, but a year ago, it would have been exactly the opposite.

Anyone could have looked at Cutler's stats last year and have seen a guy who definitely showed promise, but had not reached that next level yet. The more I looked and compared Campbell and Cutler last year, the less I could tell them apart. The difference is that Campbell has made significant (some...okay many, would disagree with my definition of 'significant') developmental strides in the face of adversity, and Cutler has just blamed others for his failures.

We'd be remiss if we didn't point out that the promise for Jay Cutler still exists, but the Bears have no high draft picks, and need to address three positions on the OL, get a complementary back, and one more wideout. IF Chicago does everything right, Cutler can get back to the pro bowl level he was at as soon as 2011. But that's two wasted years because the Bears (who easily could have been the Redskins) had no idea what made Cutler successful in Denver, and that's a problem.

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[quote=SmootSmack;632052]At least he dropped the "s" that most people put at the end of his name[/quote]
Hey, I sell cars for a living. I work for a huge Dealership. We sell Fords, Nissans, Hyundai, and Mazdas. It is the last day of the month. Anyone who wants a crazy deal on a vehicle let me know, as long as your are a skins fan(that means you too GMSCUD). I will make it happen just message me, need one more deal tommorow. the dealer is in the Easton, MD area.

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Hey, thanks Matty for the MC thing. Just realized what the kids name is.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632061]Hey, I sell cars for a living. I work for a huge Dealership. We sell Fords, Nissans, Hyundai, and Mazdas. It is the last day of the month. Anyone who wants a crazy deal on a vehicle let me know, as long as your are a skins fan(that means you too GMSCUD). I will make it happen just message me, need one more deal tommorow. the dealer is in the Easton, MD area.[/quote]

At Easton Motors...your job's your credit...oh, wait...