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[quote=firstdown;598686]Not sure why blach is taking so much heat. After 3 games our O has scored 30 points which is 10 per game. 14 of those points came after the game was pretty much over and teams where playing prevent which with our O does not make much sense. So if we take off those 14 points we have scored 16 points at a little over 5 per game. That works out to be a little over 1 point per qtr. but some how our problem are on Blach.[/quote]

well ny and detroit, the two games we lost, the opponents had 10minutes more time of possesion then the skins. The skins barely got on the field in the first half against detroit, except their one long drive. You can't score if the opponent has the ball. kinda simple (well at least we can't as Tripp pointed out its been 29 games since we have had a defensive score.)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;598697]well ny and detroit, the two games we lost, the opponents had 10minutes more time of possesion then the skins. The skins barely got on the field in the first half against detroit, except their one long drive. You can't score if the opponent has the ball. kinda simple (well at least we can't as Tripp pointed out its been 29 games since we have had a defensive score.)[/quote]

I dont know if it was last game or not when they said that the offense only had the ball for 5 plays in the first quarter.

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[quote=firstdown;598686]Not sure why blach is taking so much heat. After 3 games our O has scored 30 points which is 10 per game. 14 of those points came after the game was pretty much over and teams where playing prevent which with our O does not make much sense. So if we take off those 14 points we have scored 16 points at a little over 5 per game. That works out to be a little over 1 point per qtr. but some how our problem are on Blach.[/quote]Actually, if you take away all of our offensive drives, we haven't scored even a single offensive point this year. Not even one. What crap.

first, don't make this more complicated than it needs to be. Blache has been a crappy coordinator going back to last year. He didn't just forget how to coach against Detroit.

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I have had this name 'defense wins' since day 1 of joining the Warpath.net.
I wanted 'defense wins championships', but this sight would not allow that many letters for my WP name.
I do not claim to know more than everyone else, but i have played and seen enough football in my 44 years to know a great defense when I see one.
This is not personal. I do not like Blache as a coach. I do not like his schemes. I do not like how he runs a defense. We have the talent on our defense to at least be a good defense, but we are under-performing. That falls on the coaches.
One major thing that jumped out at me on Sunday while switching to the other games during commercials of the Redskins game: The dominate defenses (Steelers, Giants) run stunt or twists plays between their DT's and DE's on obvious pass plays. They were doing it on almost every pass play with great sucess. [B]We did not [/B]against the Lions.
I went back and looked at some of the the Lions game (on dvr) and our d-lineman ran straight at the Lions O-lineman trying to bull rush them with very poor results.
I tried to find a play where one of our DT's and DE's ran a twist/pick play and i could not find one. I did not go back back and watch the entire game, but I was amazed that I was having trouble finding one twist play.
This is just one example of a poorly run defense. Blache's defense is unimaginative and simple. We do not dictate to the offense, we read and react. It is difficult for me to watch our defense right now.
This teams level of play has regressed from the playoff team Gibbs and co. left Vinny and Dan. That is obvious. The same way our team regressed from the Norv team to the Spurrier teams. Since the short winning streak early last year, we have slowly gotten worse. Lions game was the wake up call.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597496]I totally agree. But the difference is Zorn is in his second year as a head coach. Blache has been coaching in this league [B]for years[/B] and should know better. He has no excuse at all. I just feel at times when I see him in press conferences that he is full of himself and very stubborn. How do you give him more defensive toys and the D plays worse. Why wont he realize that his experiment with Orakpo has failed?[/quote]
Blache is more concerned with trying to come up with cute quotes.

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[quote=Green1;597607]If the O scores we dont need a defensive touchdown[/quote]
but they're not

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no matter what the stats are, you simply dont let the lions go 99 yards on you. Blache, you, I, the national media, and everyone knew Skins needed to be a pure defensive team. Somehow the Skins havent improved much defensively despite get big AH and keeping D. Hall.

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[quote=hooskins;598915]no matter what the stats are, you simply dont let the lions go 99 yards on you. Blache, you, I, the national media, and everyone knew Skins needed to be a pure defensive team. Somehow the Skins havent improved much defensively despite get big AH and keeping D. Hall.[/quote]
If you cannot deny the Lions when necessary......that's a problem

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[quote=tryfuhl;598856]Blache is more concerned with trying to come up with cute quotes.[/quote]

I seriously can't stand him. Hearing his post-game with Kelly Johnson pissed me off. The first thing out of his mouth was how this wasn't the same Lions team as last year, different culture, different coach, blah blah blah. Like I really want to hear your stupid qualifiers for why your D got lit up en route to losing to a shit team, Greg.

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You can get away with being an asshole when you post great results. With Blache, we're getting plenty of a-hole and a little light on results......getting old
AND Bend, don't break makes me ill....Dex is ashamed as well

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[quote=GMScud;598919]I seriously can't stand him. Hearing his post-game with Kelly Johnson pissed me off. The first thing out of his mouth was how this wasn't the same Lions team as last year, different culture, different coach, blah blah blah. Like I really want to hear your stupid qualifiers for why your D got lit up en route to losing to a shit team, Greg.[/quote]One of the reasons I got really, really pissed off with Blache at the end of last year was how he managed to find all the wrong solutions to the simplest problems, and covered his ass with excuses with no regard for the long-term health of the team.

[B]Problem: Carlos Rogers can't defend a double move when your stupid-ass 8 man run blitz doesn't get to Flacco

[/B]Solution: Conclude that Carlos isn't the same player he was in the first half of the season (against all evidence), then bench him for DeAngelo Hall.

[B]Problem: Your pass defense can't get off the field in any of the final five games of the season

[/B]Solution: Remind everyone that only three teams have given up fewer yards than you.

[B]Problem: Despite being one of the blitziest coordinators in the NFL, your defense ranks in the bottom five in both sacks and interceptions

[/B]Solution: Remind everyone that while big plays are nice, that only three teams have given up fewer yards than you.

[B]Problem: You sign Albert Haynesworth in the offseason to bolster your pass rush

[/B]Solution: Remind everyone that you were the fourth overall defense in yards against the year before, and anything Albert brings to your gleaming excellence is really just a bonus. It was never about Albert, he's just a player in your scheme.

Basically, as long as you can point out that things aren't your fault, people will keep defending your non-results as a big important deal.

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I was openly skeptical about this washed up chump and his ridiculous secondary scheme before the season even started and now I have a strong distaste for the man.

He stinks.

I hope he is the reason Landry is not developing and once we get rid of him Landry will get his act together although that might be wishful thinking.

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[quote=GTripp0012;598798]Actually, if you take away all of our offensive drives, we haven't scored even a single offensive point this year. Not even one. What crap.

first, don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.[B] Blache has been a crappy coordinator going back to last year. He didn't just forget how to coach against Detroit.[/quote][/B]

[B]that's just your opinion but the so called experts that I've heard think he's done a good job.[/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;599036][/b]

[B]that's just your opinion but the so called experts that I've heard think he's done a good job.[/B][/quote]It is just my opinion, but those experts suck.

Not because they disagree with me, but because they are claiming "expertise" off of superficial knowledge. I claim no such expertise, I just offer an opinion based on much more direct evidence.

Not one person who goes through the game tape here (and there are at least 5 of us) think Blache is good at what he does.

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[quote=GMScud;598919]I seriously can't stand him. Hearing his post-game with Kelly Johnson pissed me off. [B]The first thing out of his mouth was how this wasn't the same Lions team as last year, different culture, different coach, [/B]blah blah blah. Like I really want to hear your stupid qualifiers for why your D got lit up en route to losing to a shit team, Greg.[/quote]

well you may not want to hear it but it's the truth. they've added some guys...julian peterson, grady jackson, larry foote, bryant johnson and a nice rookie te. plus they had the best player on the field in calvin johnson. and those same guys just flat out beat some of our guys in one one one matchups. they're not the same team as last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599036][/B]

[B]that's just your opinion but the so called experts that I've heard think he's done a good job.[/B][/quote]

Your so called "experts" get more press by saying that Snyder likes to get big time free agents like Haynesworth and Hall and still fail, instead of asking why can't the defensive coordinator make these defense elite with this talent.

As a matter of fact, we fans lay the blame on Snyder and Cerrato all the time, yet we don't ask ourselves why can't the coaches succeed with these talented players.

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[quote=GTripp0012;599039][B]It is just my opinion, but those experts suck[/B].

Not because they disagree with me, but because they are claiming "expertise" off of superficial knowledge. I claim no such expertise, I just offer an opinion based on much more direct evidence.

Not one person who goes through the game tape here (and there are at least 5 of us) think Blache is good at what he does.[/quote]

Oh ok. I think they all played NFL football and have more knowledge than people around here do. And just cause some of you watch film doesn't mean you know what your talking about, or know the details of the schemes. Everyone just wants to cry about the coaching, which could be better. But the real problem is we just don't have the players. But no one wants to hear that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599056]Oh ok. I think they all played NFL football and have more knowledge than people around here do. And just cause some of you watch film doesn't mean you know what your talking about, or know the details of the schemes. Everyone just wants to cry about the coaching, which could be better. But the real problem is we just don't have the players. But no one wants to hear that.[/quote]I'm not saying we do or do not have the players.

Watching film does not automatically give me any sort of authority, kind of like playing in the NFL doesn't give anyone any specific football expertise, and kind of like spending a lot of money doesn't automatically give you a ton of talent. See how this game works?

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[quote=GTripp0012;598972]One of the reasons I got really, really pissed off with Blache at the end of last year was how he managed to find all the wrong solutions to the simplest problems, and covered his ass with excuses with no regard for the long-term health of the team.

Problem: Carlos Rogers can't defend a double move when your stupid-ass 8 man run blitz doesn't get to Flacco
Solution: Conclude that Carlos isn't the same player he was in the first half of the season (against all evidence), then bench him for DeAngelo Hall.

Problem: Your pass defense can't get off the field in any of the final five games of the seasonSolution: Remind everyone that only three teams have given up fewer yards than you.

Problem: Despite being one of the blitziest coordinators in the NFL, your defense ranks in the bottom five in both sacks and interceptionsSolution: Remind everyone that while big plays are nice, that only three teams have given up fewer yards than you.

Problem: You sign Albert Haynesworth in the offseason to bolster your pass rushSolution: Remind everyone that you were the fourth overall defense in yards against the year before, and anything Albert brings to your gleaming excellence is really just a bonus. It was never about Albert, he's just a player in your scheme.

[B]Basically, as long as you can point out that things aren't your fault, people will keep defending your non-results as a big important deal.[/B][/quote]

Sounds like Zorn during his pressers.....

And yeah, I'm so over Blache.

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[quote=Ruhskins;599048]Your so called "experts" get more press by saying that Snyder likes to get big time free agents like Haynesworth and Hall and still fail, instead of asking why can't the defensive coordinator make these defense elite with this talent.

As a matter of fact, we fans lay the blame on Snyder and Cerrato all the time, yet we don't ask ourselves why can't the coaches succeed with these talented players.[/quote]

Cause Hall sucks shit. Good corners aren't on their 3rd team when they're 25 years old. You don't see that in the NFL. You don't see the guy on Oakland ( can't spell his name) moving around do you? Haynesworth is horribly out of shape. But when he takes on double teams the other guys ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. So keep blaming Blache all you want, I happen to agree that he needs to be more aggressive, but the real issue here is the personel on both sides of the ball.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599065]Cause Hall sucks shit. Good corners aren't on their 3rd team when they're 25 years old. You don't see that in the NFL. You don't see the guy on Oakland ( can't spell his name) moving around do you? Haynesworth is horribly out of shape. But when he takes on double teams the other guys ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. So keep blaming Blache all you want, I happen to agree that he needs to be more aggressive, but the real issue here is the personel on both sides of the ball.[/quote]I think we could open an entirely different thread on whether or not we have the talent to succeed on defense. The way the D is playing, there is plenty of suck to go around. Blache can get fired tomorrow, and we probably wouldn't get a ton better. But at least Jerry Gray would be accountable for the performance of his unit.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599065]Cause Hall sucks shit. Good corners aren't on their 3rd team when they're 25 years old. You don't see that in the NFL. You don't see the guy on Oakland ( can't spell his name) moving around do you? Haynesworth is horribly out of shape. But when he takes on double teams the other guys ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. So keep blaming Blache all you want, I happen to agree that he needs to be more aggressive, but the real issue here is the personel on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

Randy Moss is on his third team, yes I know he's not a corner nor am I stating that Hall is as talented in his position as Moss is at his, just saying your example is weak.

By the way, I'm not just blaming Blache, but I think it is very absent minded for someone to just blame the players or just the FO.

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I am so tired of seeing this scheme by our defense. Our DB's sit back almost 10 yards every play and we get no pressure on any QB. A freaken rookie just beat us. An arrogant rookie who we did not force into any bad plays by our scheme. How about we press in coverage and bring some real blitz every now and then. This crap we play of "lets give up 10 yards a play but not the big one" will beat us all season. Pile on top of that an offensive line with no push forward will never allow us to have a running game.

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Was just watching NFL Network and they said that the Redskins were [B]LAST[/B] in 3rd down defense.

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Whoever is giving Blache a free pass needs to get their head out their ass like Blache does. Since Greg Williams left our defense has been on the decline. I think it has a lot to do with Blache going away from things that were successful in the past. Because of his own arrogance and stubborness. Seems like common sense to me. We have some of the same core players and suposedly upgraded at some positions. I will say that we miss Marcus Washington & Shawn Springs. But they couldn't stay healthy.

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^ really miss Springs ....

and i hate blache. i agree since GW left we've been declining, and WILL continue to get beat with thi sbend dont break bullshit. cuz it DOES break, even against a rookie QB and a 0 - 19 team. Blache needs to fix it I'd like to see him fired sooner than later.

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Blache better find some way to get more pressure on the QB by scheming up some exotic blitzes cause we dont have many players can beat the man in front of them. Blache better know he is on the Hot seat since we spent more effort to improve our Defense. We better get of the field on 3rd downs so our offence can get more touches.

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[quote=GTripp0012;598972]One of the reasons I got really, really pissed off with Blache at the end of last year was how he managed to find all the wrong solutions to the simplest problems, and covered his ass with excuses with no regard for the long-term health of the team.

[B]Problem: Carlos Rogers can't defend a double move when your stupid-ass 8 man run blitz doesn't get to Flacco

[/B]Solution: Conclude that Carlos isn't the same player he was in the first half of the season (against all evidence), then bench him for DeAngelo Hall.

[B]Problem: Your pass defense can't get off the field in any of the final five games of the season

[/B]Solution: Remind everyone that only three teams have given up fewer yards than you.

[B]Problem: Despite being one of the blitziest coordinators in the NFL, your defense ranks in the bottom five in both sacks and interceptions

[/B]Solution: Remind everyone that while big plays are nice, that only three teams have given up fewer yards than you.

[B]Problem: You sign Albert Haynesworth in the offseason to bolster your pass rush

[/B]Solution: Remind everyone that you were the fourth overall defense in yards against the year before, and anything Albert brings to your gleaming excellence is really just a bonus. It was never about Albert, he's just a player in your scheme.

Basically, as long as you can point out that things aren't your fault, people will keep defending your non-results as a big important deal.[/quote]
This is what our biggest problem is on both sides of the ball. Both schemers believe with all their heart that their system works...and when it doesn't it is because the players effed it up. Neither wants to admit that maybe their scheme doesn't work with these players or maybe at all. We have more talent than both STL and Det and in both cases we didn't show it. Or even close. That has a lot to do with the scheme.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;599083]Whoever is giving Blache a free pass needs to get their head out their ass like Blache does. Since Greg Williams left our defense has been on the decline. I think it has a lot to do with Blache going away from things that were successful in the past. Because of his own arrogance and stubborness. Seems like common sense to me. We have some of the same core players and suposedly upgraded at some positions. I will say that we miss Marcus Washington & Shawn Springs. But they couldn't stay healthy.[/quote]

I don't think he's getting a free pass. But people that think the defense is a bigger problem than the offense needs to get their head out of their ass.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599161]I don't think he's getting a free pass. [B]But people that think the defense is a bigger problem than the offense[/B] needs to get their head out of their ass.[/quote]

I think it's about even. But honestly, weren't you expecting much more out of the defense?

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[quote=skinsfan69;599161]I don't think he's getting a free pass. But people that think the defense is a bigger problem than the offense needs to get their head out of their ass.[/quote]

When you spent a ton of money on the defense, both the players and the coaches are going to hear criticism. Personally I think both the defense and offense equally share the blame for the team's lack of success, oh yeah and the coaches too.

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He just needs to blitz more. Hey works for the Jets

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[quote=Ruhskins;599166]When you spent a ton of money on the defense, both the players and the coaches are going to hear criticism. Personally I think both the defense and offense equally share the blame for the team's lack of success, oh yeah and the coaches too.[/quote]

I think the people responsible for bringing in and paying those players are the ones to blame. One is not a professional and doesn't take his job seriously enough to get in game shape, and the other has been a cancer whereever he's been, plus he sucks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599172]I think the people responsible for bringing in and paying those players are the ones to blame. [B]One is not a professional and doesn't take his job seriously enough to get in game shape[/B], and the other has been a cancer whereever he's been, plus he sucks.[/quote]

I guess you're just gonna run with that take all year. He's in the same shape he was in while with the Titans, and he's played over 70% of the snaps this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599172]I think the people responsible for bringing in and paying those players are the ones to blame. One is not a professional and doesn't take his job seriously enough to get in game shape, and the other has been a cancer whereever he's been, plus he sucks.[/quote]

See there you go again, trying to pin this on one thing or person. Why are people so hell bent on doing this? What about the other players on the defense? They are getting paid too you know. And what has Hall done lately to call him a cancer? And if Haynesworth was so out of shape, how come he was able to be the factor in stopping a RB (Jacobs) that ran all over our team last year? For every Haynesworth and Hall that you complain about, I can bring you a Rogers and Landry (both drafted by the Redskins) who should be bringing their A game but they are not.

This is the problem with fans and the media, they just want to find that ONE thing that is causing trouble, when the WHOLE organization is fucking up.

I'm sorry but if Haynesworth and Hall were the only ones fucking up, I'd be with you on that one, don't be so shallow and try to blame this mess on one thing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;599175]See there you go again, trying to pin this on one thing or person. Why are people so hell bent on doing this? What about the other players on the defense? They are getting paid too you know. And what has Hall done lately to call him a cancer? And if Haynesworth was so out of shape, how come he was able to be the factor in stopping a RB (Jacobs) that ran all over our team last year? For every Haynesworth and Hall that you complain about, I can bring you a Rogers and Landry (both drafted by the Redskins) who should be bringing their A game but they are not.

This is the problem with fans and the media, they just want to find that ONE thing that is causing trouble, when the WHOLE organization is fucking up.

I'm sorry but if Haynesworth and Hall were the only ones fucking up, I'd be with you on that one, don't be so shallow and try to blame this mess on one thing.[/quote]

It's not all on one person. It's a few people. I've never ever blamed just one person. Actually if you've read my posts I blame the offense more than the defense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;599175]See there you go again, trying to pin this on one thing or person. Why are people so hell bent on doing this? What about the other players on the defense? They are getting paid too you know. And what has Hall done lately to call him a cancer? And if Haynesworth was so out of shape, how come he was able to be the factor in stopping a RB (Jacobs) that ran all over our team last year? For every Haynesworth and Hall that you complain about, I can bring you a Rogers and Landry (both drafted by the Redskins) who should be bringing their A game but they are not.

This is the problem with fans and the media, they just want to find that ONE thing that is causing trouble, when the WHOLE organization is fucking up.

I'm sorry but if Haynesworth and Hall were the only ones fucking up, I'd be with you on that one, don't be so shallow and try to blame this mess on one thing.[/quote]

Actually it's our core guys. The guys we have are just not good enough to be a top NFL team. Both on offense and defense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599065]Haynesworth is horribly out of shape. But when he takes on double teams the other guys ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. [/quote]Haynesworth is a known quantity. It was known prior to his signing that you will get 100% from him on about 65-70% of defensive snaps over the course of the year. In those snaps he gives 100%, he's a huge difference maker.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599036][/b]

[B]that's just your opinion but the so called experts that I've heard think he's done a good job.[/B][/quote]
Who are these "experts"? How many Redskins games have they reviewed on DVR or with actual game film? Have they looked at out defensive stats other than yards & points?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599250]Who are these "experts"? How many Redskins games have they reviewed on DVR or with actual game film? Have they looked at out defensive stats other than yards & points?[/quote]

I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.