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Ok heres some confidence...91 Started like this too

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597302]I would seriously look at having Mitchell take over Devin Thomas spot, Thomas is a disappointment.[/quote]

Could have had Chilo Rachel or Jordy Nelson but no. We took the lazy guy who was a one year wonder. In all fairness Malcolm Kelly seems like he's going to be a pretty decent receiver. Still Mitchell should be allowed to be active though the reports of him killing our starting DB's seem to be a little less impressive these days.

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[quote=WaldSkins;597293]But he finished the season 8-3. In year two he only lost one game. So after he started 0-5 he got better. Jim Zorn went 6-2 and then turned around and went 3-10 in his next 13. Kinda of a big difference isn't it?[/quote]

Yeah, I may cyber-punch the next person who says 'Joe Gibbs started 0-5'. It's hard because we hadn't had any success since Gibbs, we need to realize the era of Gibbs and the Hogs is long over and done. I really wish Gibbs had not come back because it's like hooking up with a old girlfriend from high school. It seems like a good idea at the time and it's kinda fun, but not as much as the first time and afterwards you realize you were chasing a past you can never recapture. Zorn is rapidly descending into Rich Kotite territory.

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[quote=JWsleep;597303]I think Zorn limps on to the bye. Then we go with an interim from the current staff--but it's hard because you can't just institute a new system. This season will play out with Zorn's scheme whoever is calling the plays. We're pretty locked in, I think.

To everyone who wants to move Gray up, isn't he the secondary coach, the secondary which is getting beat like a drum?

My guess is we limp out the year, either with Zorn or an interim, and then hire a new staff, IF WE CAN!!! Remember: no really good prospect wants to come here, given the FO culture. Why ruin your future?

Serious question: do you re-sign JC? Drafting a QB is a crap shoot. NOt sure what vets will be available. I think JC has looked ok, given we have NO run game. At all. WTF?

What a mess. Well, we have another winnable game (on paper) next week. We'll keep muddling along I guess...

(PS: [B]was it just me or did the refs just suck ass today?[/B] Wow.)[/quote]

Not that it would have mattered in the game, but yes they missed a lot of calls...the retracted facemask called, and I remember seeing at least one encroachment not called. Although they did miss a PI by Carlos Rogers.

I hate to say this, but I'm glad the Redskins loss. I mean at least with a loss you can be completely pissed off. Had they pulled the win, well we would have had another week of being pissed at the terrible playcalling/play of the team, but sitting at 2-1.

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[quote=pg86;597306]Ok heres some confidence...91 Started like this too[/quote]

I do not know why I feel compelled to respond, but no it didn't. They beat Detroit 45-0 in the first game and went 11-0 to start the year.

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I also want to point out that the 49ers focused on their O-line the past few years and as a result have looked pretty good this year. In fact I'm willing to bet their O-line was one of the main reasons they were able to compete against the Vikings today without Gore.

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[quote=pg86;597306]Ok heres some confidence...91 Started like this too[/quote]

No it didn't. We were 11-0 at one point.

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Ok, I'm trying to calm down. At this point if I was DS I would bring in Holmgren to act as an advisor to assist Zorn. If Zorn's not having it fire Zorn and let Holmgren take over the team. Keep Orakpo at DE full time, put Wilson at full time SLB and hope we have someone who can spell Wilson at LB periodically, play all our rookie WR's Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell as much as possible so they are somewhat NFL experienced for next yr. I know Moss was not the problem but I would use him as a situational player only just to give the young guys experience.

Play Collins starting this week. JC is not getting it done. Start looking at other viable options for the right side of the O-line. Either trade out someone or bring someone from outside the team. Play Mason and Alridge for no other reason but to give them experience. Start Barnes, move Landry to SS, and bring in Moore or whoever is a true FS.

Also stop playing players out of their positions like Landry, Orakpo, and so on.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;597307]Could have had Chilo Rachel or Jordy Nelson but no. We took the lazy guy who was a one year wonder. In all fairness Malcolm Kelly seems like he's going to be a pretty decent receiver. Still Mitchell should be allowed to be active [b]though the reports of him killing our starting DB's seem to be a little less impressive these days.[/b][/quote]

Nice :rofl:

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[quote=Paintrain;597309]Yeah, I may cyber-punch the next person who says 'Joe Gibbs started 0-5'. It's hard because we hadn't had any success since Gibbs, we need to realize the era of Gibbs and the Hogs is long over and done. I really wish Gibbs had not come back because it's like hooking up with a old girlfriend from high school. It seems like a good idea at the time and it's kinda fun, but not as much as the first time and afterwards you realize you were chasing a past you can never recapture. Zorn is rapidly descending into Rich Kotite territory.[/quote]

I think people forget that Gibbs pretty much left the team hanging when he retired the second time. Had he stayed another year, we could have had a better coaching search situation for this season. Eh, oh well, could've, should've, would've.

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[quote=Paintrain;597309]Yeah, I may cyber-punch the next person who says 'Joe Gibbs started 0-5'. It's hard because [B]we hadn't had any success since Gibbs[/B], we need to realize the era of Gibbs and the Hogs is long over and done. I really wish Gibbs had not come back because it's like hooking up with a old girlfriend from high school. It seems like a good idea at the time and it's kinda fun, but not as much as the first time and afterwards you realize you were chasing a past you can never recapture. Zorn is rapidly descending into Rich Kotite territory.[/quote]

Norv Turner...

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597288]You can say Campbell didn't play well but he didn't play bad. HE didn't lose the game for us. Our O-line is garbage and our D is horrible. Blache sucks plain and simple.[/quote]

my point i've been try to make is right now if you replaced any QB with Campbell they would have the same garbage o-line therefore the same results almost. We couldn't block detroit pass rush!!!

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[quote=SBXVII;597318]Ok, I'm trying to calm down. At this point if I was DS I would bring in Holmgren to act as an advisor to assist Zorn. If Zorn's not having it fire Zorn and let Holmgren take over the team. Keep Orakpo at DE full time, put Wilson at full time SLB and hope we have someone who can spell Wilson at LB periodically, play all our rookie WR's Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell as much as possible so they are somewhat NFL experienced for next yr. I know Moss was not the problem but I would use him as a situational player only just to give the young guys experience.

Play Collins starting this week. JC is not getting it done. Start looking at other viable options for the right side of the O-line. Either trade out someone or bring someone from outside the team. Play Mason and Alridge for no other reason but to give them experience. Start Barnes, move Landry to SS, and bring in Moore or whoever is a true FS.

Also stop playing players out of their positions like Landry, Orakpo, and so on.[/quote]

I think that actually sounds like a good prescription. I doubt it happens, but I'd endorse it.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;597313]I do not know why I feel compelled to respond, but no it didn't. They beat Detroit 45-0 in the first game and went 11-0 to start the year.[/quote]


:'(...Well can you blame me for tryin man?

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Firing Jim Zorn makes little sense unless Vinny Cerrato goes with him and Dan Snyder completely steps out of football operations. Some here don't want to see that and think some of us are too hard on Snyder, but in his tenth year as owner, things have reached epic failure.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;597327]Firing Jim Zorn makes little sense unless Vinny Cerrato goes with him and Dan Snyder completely steps out of football operations. Some here don't want to see that and think some of us are too hard on Snyder, but in his tenth year as owner, things have reached epic failure.[/quote]

lol Snyder will probably hire a crappy GM, then when he fails he'll say "see what happens when I don't get involved."

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;597327]Firing Jim Zorn makes little sense unless Vinny Cerrato goes with him and Dan Snyder completely steps out of football operations. Some here don't want to see that and think some of us are too hard on Snyder, but in his tenth year as owner, things have reached epic failure.[/quote]

Did Vinny hire Zorn and Blache? If so, then yes he must go.

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Okay, so Zorn gets fired. Then what? Other than a scrub wanting to add HC to his resume and pay down some bills, who would want to coach for Mr. Snyder?

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[quote=pg86;597306]ok heres some confidence...91 started like this too[/quote]

no confidence.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;597323]my point i've been try to make is right now if you replaced any QB with Campbell they would have the same garbage o-line therefore the same results almost. We couldn't block detroit pass rush!!![/quote]

I TOTALY AGREE. When you have [B]O yards rushing in the first half[/B]. Usually its on the O-line.

Let me reiterate that. [B]O yard rushing in the first half!!![/B]

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[quote=SkinDogg;597334]Okay, so Zorn gets fired. Then what? Other than a scrub wanting to add HC to his resume and pay down some bills, who would want to coach for Mr. Snyder?[/quote]


Someone who does not need the money....there are a list of people who could take this job problem is DS lacks the brain cells to hire them. Whats Cooks son up to these days anyway

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[quote=Dirtbag359;597329]lol Snyder will probably hire a crappy GM, then when he fails he'll say "see what happens when I don't get involved."[/quote]


LOL! You've got Snyder's word patterns down pat.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597282]Let's see, Andre Carter, Orakpo, Jarmon, Haynesworth, Griffin, landry, Hall, Fletcher, McIntosh, all highly paid players except Jarmon. I would expect that our DC would figure out a way to use all this talent. Another DC would figure out a way to get pressure, I thought that's what everyone said it would happen after signing AH?[/quote]

Sorry the guys you mentioned lost a lot of their one on one battles today. And that's what a lot of this comes down to. One on one battles and our guys simply got beat. You can blame the coaches all you want but they can only do so much.

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[quote=pg86;597322]Norv Turner...[/quote]

Norv Turner had like 1 playoff season in like 7 years at the helm. Time to find some new ways to inspire confidence ;).

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;597323]my point i've been try to make is right now if you replaced any QB with Campbell they would have the same garbage o-line therefore the same results almost. We couldn't block detroit pass rush!!![/quote]

Your somewhat correct. We have a QB who locks onto one receiver and follows him through the route. He fails to observe the whole field. He has his favorite receivers and hardly looks at anyone else (enter whatever excuse you see fit). I mean if you load the box and stop Moss and Cooley other teams know they have a 50% chance of winning.

Start Collins. Atleast he was able to get the ball out prior to the WR's making their breaks or while in stride. JC just sits back their waiting for the receivers to run their routes, stop, and look at him before he drills the ball.

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Marko Mithcell killing our DB's in practice...??? I mean...who doesn't kill our DB's !

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[quote=mooby;597349]Norv Turner had like 1 playoff season in like 7 years at the helm. Time to find some new ways to inspire confidence ;).[/quote]


Thats more than Steve Spurrier had and Jim Zorn will ever have

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[quote=skinsfan69;597347]Sorry the guys you mentioned lost a lot of their one on one battles today. And that's what a lot of this comes down to. One on one battles and our guys simply got beat. You can blame the coaches all you want but they can only do so much.[/quote]

And how much are these guys getting paid? A good coach would know what to do with that talent, obviously Blache is not it. Were people in this forum not saying after AH signed and D hall that we would get all this pressure and interceptions? Maybe we should get rid of all this under performers.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;597275]We didn't run right because we don't have blockers on the right side of the O-Line.

The accepted penalty in the third quarter was to push the Lions out of field goal range.

Every one of us said to go for it on 4th and one at the start of the game...

[B]It's probably a good time to remember that it is just a game, so let's stop acting like it's the end of the world. If it seems that way to you, get a life. Seriously.[/B]
And it's probably also a good time to remember that Gibbs went 0 and 5 in his first five games as a head coach. So how did keeping him work out?

HTTR[/quote]

Dude! We just got outcoached by the detroit lions!!!! And you're trying to say the world ain't over!?!?! WTF MAN!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;597321]I think people forget that Gibbs pretty much left the team hanging when he retired the second time. Had he stayed another year, we could have had a better coaching search situation for this season. Eh, oh well, could've, should've, would've.[/quote]

Gibbs may have left but we had Williams. He would've made a much better head coach than Zorn. He was more qualified, he knew the team and he probably would've kept on Al S so everyone wouldn't have had to learn a new offense. Instead he wanted a guy who he and Vinny could push around. As usual it always starts at the top.

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Just for a frame of reference around 70% of the fan base believes Zorn should be fired.

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[quote=12thMan;597280]Honestly, I don't want to hear anything Gibbs would have to say in this matter. I'll just leave it at that.[/quote]
I hear you, but I suspect what JG says to Dan is......somewhat different from what fans hear?

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[quote=SBXVII;597318]Ok, I'm trying to calm down. At this point if I was DS I would bring in Holmgren to act as an advisor to assist Zorn. If Zorn's not having it fire Zorn and let Holmgren take over the team. Keep Orakpo at DE full time, put Wilson at full time SLB and hope we have someone who can spell Wilson at LB periodically, play all our rookie WR's Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell as much as possible so they are somewhat NFL experienced for next yr. I know Moss was not the problem but I would use him as a situational player only just to give the young guys experience.

[B]Play Collins starting this week. JC is not getting it done.[/B] Start looking at other viable options for the right side of the O-line. Either trade out someone or bring someone from outside the team. Play Mason and Alridge for no other reason but to give them experience. Start Barnes, move Landry to SS, and bring in Moore or whoever is a true FS.

Also stop playing players out of their positions like Landry, Orakpo, and so on.[/quote]
This is where having an agenda negates any credibility you may have. I'll be the first to admit that Campbell's play in the 2nd half today was not very good, but if you can HONESTLY convince any knowledgeable football fan that Campbell is largely to blame for us being 1-2 then you should be a lawyer because you can convince anyone of anything. Seriously, our problems are SO much bigger than Jason Campbell to even consider or suggest benching him for a 38 year old career backup should be enough to eliminate any doubt of your football ignorance.

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[quote=SkinDogg;597334]Okay, so Zorn gets fired. Then what? Other than a scrub wanting to add HC to his resume and pay down some bills, who would want to coach for Mr. Snyder?[/quote]

I agree.

No great, young upcoming coach is going to want to waste his first coaching opportunity and image on the Skins gig under the circumstances as they stand.

The coach that has to come in to DC cannot be easily influenced by vast amounts of money and already have excellent coaching pride.

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[quote=skinsfan69;597358]Gibbs may have left but we had Williams. He would've made a much better head coach than Zorn. He was more qualified, he knew the team and he probably would've kept on Al S so everyone wouldn't have had to learn a new offense. Instead he wanted a guy who he and Vinny could push around. As usual it always starts at the top.[/quote]

So you think a defensive coach would have helped with an offense that has trouble scoring? Please.

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All i want for Christmas is a winning season. Guess you cant ask for this every year? Then again it would be nice if Santa would just help me out once

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LMAO, I know I'm going to get shanked for posting this but what the hell. It's been a crazy day already.

[YT]9Ei_FJWHXys[/YT]

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597341]I TOTALY AGREE. When you have [B]O yards rushing in the first half[/B]. Usually its on the O-line.

Let me reiterate that. [B]O yard rushing in the first half!!![/B][/quote]

Amazing.

And let me reiterate too -- we did nothing to upgrade the offensive line and we are officially paying for it.

That's unless you consider the great Derrick Dockery to be an upgrade...

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Our problem? Bad play selection, bad personell, bad time management, a high school head coach, we have no locker room presence, we have no team identity, our owner is too involved, we play slow, our team has no drive, we can't execute for shit, we dont even stand a chance in our division, and everyone knows it. London Fletcher is the only one with any drive. We paid alot of money on a player to blame our defense on. Or qb is not a starting NFL qb, our running backs suck, our receivers constantly look lost, we penalize ourselves way too much, we think we are better than we really are. I am tired of hearing that we are one play away. We are a bad team in a difficult division, and it is going to be hard to get out of it. Bottom line.... WE are a Bad team. Our coahes are not together, Zorn is a train wreck. Cambell has no idea what the hell is going on, Portis is more worried about what the media says, We are a Bad team. I love the skins' and this is going to be a difficult year, but CHANGE needs to happen. We need a Experienced Head Coach who can control the locker room.

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[quote=SBXVII;597351]Your somewhat correct. We have a QB who locks onto one receiver and follows him through the route. He fails to observe the whole field. He has his favorite receivers and hardly looks at anyone else (enter whatever excuse you see fit). I mean if you load the box and stop Moss and Cooley other teams know they have a 50% chance of winning.

Start Collins. Atleast he was able to get the ball out prior to the WR's making their breaks or while in stride. JC just sits back their waiting for the receivers to run their routes, stop, and look at him before he drills the ball.[/quote]

i agree and all QB have things they struggle with but it's hard to correct them when you don't have time to think i'm not sure most QB's could with this line