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laws would be a great value pick and i think he'd probably be the 3rd best DT from this draft 5 years from now... dorsey might be worthwhile if he fell to 21 (which wont happen) since the contract (monetary) risk is small there... availability would always be a concern though, which isn't good.

honestly, i might take gholston as the first DE, he's the pure pass rusher, but long looks like another aaron kampman type monster. you're right either way, and long is a much safer pick. we won't get either though :/ the other long is such a solid OL guy too.

i like harvey at DE, i like merling, i REALLY like cromartie (6'2" 4.33 38.5" vert, AND a playmaker) - just like the other cromartie, i think he's still very underrated, even as a first rounder. kenny phillips is another safety in the taylor/landry type of mold. fast, hits hard, first day starter.

devin thomas has improved his stock enough that there's no way he'll be there at 53 (or whatever our pick is), otherwise i'd definitely take him. tracy porter would be a good CB in the 2nd, or maybe go DL wilth dre moore or laws if he gets talked up more. lots of OL talent at this pick too that be worth taking.

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[QUOTE=TurlockSkinsFan;426421]Derrick Harvey if he's there. If not then take Cromartie. If memory serves correct I do believe we've had some previous luck with taking 1st round cornerbacks. Depending on the direction we go in the 1st I would select the wideout from Michigan State in the second or Quentin Groves in the second.[/QUOTE]

Man, after the combine, I want DRCromartie. I honestly dont think he will fall to us, but he obviously has the best upside. He has the ball skills, tools, football acumen, and potential in a postion that doesnt see talent like this too often. And, if we do see it, it doesnt look like we are ever in position to get one, but now we are. Plus, as the NFL switches to a passing league, and with eh Cowboys rumored to be going after MRandy Moss, we would need to stock pile on good CB's and fortify our d-line.

It would be super sweet if our draft went like this:
1st: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, CB, TSU
2nd: Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn ( I doubt he will make it this far, but the draft can unfold in many ways between now and April)
3rd: Jordy Nelson, WR/KR, Kansas State

We'd be sitting pretty.

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Why do you guys always neglect the O-line....sad face? :(. Our offense would have been a whole lot better if we had depth along the O-line say someone like, oh I don't know, say Brandon Albert. I'm telling you, this guy is going to be a beast. I definately think he's going to be a pro-bowler at Guard and will probably switch to Tackle one day. The draft is deep at D-Line so we can afford to wait a round or two. And let me remind you that both of our starting tackles are in their 30's.

I don't know about you but I don't want to become the Chiefs, and the main reason our offense has been in the top half of the league the past few years is good O-line play.

I also don't like drafting Wideouts and as much as I like Jordy Nelson and Devin Thomas I don't trust them. Recievers that come out of the draft are a crapshoot, quality lineman are a lot easier to identify and draft in my opinion.

I'm also scared of all the recent support for Cromartie. I think that the support for him is based on the performance of his cousin as well as his 40 time. I'd rather use the combine to make sure they're working hard, and don't have character issues. Remember Denver's pass defense struggled with Bly and Bailey at corner. Corner play doesn't mean what it use to IMO.

Today I'm still looking for Albert to get drafted by us in the first round and I'm hoping to grab Dre Moore in the second. After which I would like to see us draft the best DE or DB. Of course if Jordy Nelson was there in the third round I wouldn't object.

However right now I'm starting to shy away from Devin Thomas. From what I've heard a lot of his yards were on screen plays and his route running could still use a lot of work. For me I would take him in the third round if he was there, but I'm starting to think that someone is going to take him in the first round.

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I'd keep an eye on Carl Nicks

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[quote=SmootSmack;426828]I'd keep an eye on Carl Nicks[/quote]

I'm inclined to ask why. Something tells me you know something we don't. And don't give me the creepy quote with a smiley face answer. Thats something OM would do.

Also is the guy willing to play G until a spot opens up at Tackle?

EDIT: Shit, this guy is going to screw up my Mock Draft. A huge mauler with Dockery size and the versatility to play Tackle in a pinch. Reminds me of Shaun Andrews. However is he going to be available in the second round?

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I have a question for those that are saying we need to go after a cornerback high in the draft: name the starting CB's for the Giants...

I think it is a big myth that you need shutdown corners at both slots. You only need shutdown cornerbacks if you don't have a consistent pass rush from your defensive line.

Look at what the Giants did to the Patriots with an aging Sam Madison (33 years old) and Aaron Ross (not exactly a household name) slotted at cornerback.

I would also say that those who are lobbying hard for a "big wide receiver" are also off the mark. I think we need one but the top of the draft is when we need to find our horses - those guys up front that are going to just create havok on both sides of the ball.

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[quote=Drift Reality;426845]I have a question for those that are saying we need to go after a cornerback high in the draft: name the starting CB's for the Giants...[/quote]

Players who don't have sub 4.9 40's are hard to sell to fans. I'm with you, I really want to get some young guys up front, and I also don't believe that Corners are vital anymore for success on the Defensive side of the ball.

Also Smootsmack found some "tape" on Karl Nicks. Looks ok during the 1 on 1 drills, and about as good as you can in the helments only drill but the guy is a monster during the senior bowl, regularly throwing guys around like raggity Ann dolls. Wish I could find more then 30 seconds of footage on Brandon Albert.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz9k1hE_-aQ"]YouTube - NFL Huskers - 2008 Senior Bowl[/URL]

Cromartie-Rogers isn't as bad as I'm making him out to be, but as I said before we're neglecting young talent along the trenches. However if this guy gets drafted though I can get on board

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFAc3Puo68k"]YouTube - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Senior Bowl[/URL]

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;426815]Man, after the combine, I want DRCromartie. I honestly dont think he will fall to us, but he obviously has the best upside. He has the ball skills, tools, football acumen, and potential in a postion that doesnt see talent like this too often. And, if we do see it, it doesnt look like we are ever in position to get one, but now we are. Plus, as the NFL switches to a passing league, and with eh Cowboys rumored to be going after MRandy Moss, we would need to stock pile on good CB's and fortify our d-line.

It would be super sweet if our draft went like this:
1st: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, CB, TSU
2nd: Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn ( I doubt he will make it this far, but the draft can unfold in many ways between now and April)
3rd: Jordy Nelson, WR/KR, Kansas State

We'd be sitting pretty.[/quote]

Quentin Groves really helped his case. He might be a better pick in the first instead of a guy like Calais Campbell.

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[quote=theJBexperience;426871]Quentin Groves really helped his case. He might be a better pick in the first instead of a guy like Calais Campbell.[/quote]

Forget first round. At this rate Campbeel is looking more and more like an early third round pick. Right now he reminds me of Quinton Moses at this point last year.

However the more I see these hybrid OLB types moving up draft boards the more I start to wish that we ran a 3-4. Then again the 4-3 has been good to us in years past.

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Yeah, his stock is plummeting. I hope Derick Harvey falls to us in the first now, but I doubt it.

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[quote=theJBexperience;426874]Yeah, his stock is plummeting. I hope Derick Harvey falls to us in the first now, but I doubt it.[/quote]

Well a guy like Derick Harvey would be fine if we didn't have Andre Carter. To be honest I don't mind if we take a speed rusher in round 2, especially if he has a frame where he can add more bulk (Daryl Tapp comes to mind. ~254 on draft day now 270 pounds). I'm currently lobbying for Brandon Albert but Smootsmack has recently turned my attention to Carl Nicks, which would be great because then we could use the first round to grab Phillip Merling, Kenny Phillips, or maybe even Rogers-Cromartie (though he's not my first choice) and still come out with a G/T type guy that could start next year and eventually take over for Jansen.

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I like Branden Albert, but is he that much better than a guy like Roy Scheuning who could be had in the third? Jeremy Zuttah had a really strong showing at the combine, and he'll probably be around in the middle rounds.

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[quote=theJBexperience;426884]I like Branden Albert, but is he that much better than a guy like Roy Scheuning who could be had in the third? Jeremy Zuttah had a really strong showing at the combine, and he'll probably be around in the middle rounds.[/quote]

Well to start off I love Scheuning, but with the lack of depth at Guard in this years draft Roy will probably be an early-mid third round pick. Scheuning has the ability to run block that I want but the thing about Albert is he has the potential to play LT or at least RT one day. And with Jansen and Samuals both in their 30's I would like to get that taken care of. Plus I see Albert as a Pro Bowler in 2 or 3 years.

Scheuning on the other hand I see as a guy on the same plain as say Casey Rabach. Where as Albert would be a younger Randy Thomas in my eyes.

Nicks is similar in the versitilty and run blocking department but I don't know as much about him.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;426848]Players who don't have sub 4.9 40's are hard to sell to fans. I'm with you, I really want to get some young guys up front, and I also don't believe that Corners are vital anymore for success on the Defensive side of the ball.

Also Smootsmack found some "tape" on Karl Nicks. Looks ok during the 1 on 1 drills, and about as good as you can in the helments only drill but the guy is a monster during the senior bowl, regularly throwing guys around like raggity Ann dolls. Wish I could find more then 30 seconds of footage on Brandon Albert.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz9k1hE_-aQ"]YouTube - NFL Huskers - 2008 Senior Bowl[/URL]

Cromartie-Rogers isn't as bad as I'm making him out to be, but as I said before we're neglecting young talent along the trenches. However if this guy gets drafted though I can get on board

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFAc3Puo68k"]YouTube - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Senior Bowl[/URL][/QUOTE]

An average cornerback can become good with a great defensive line, but a good cornerback will become average with a poor defensive line. Similarly, a great offensive line will make all the skill players seem better.

That being said, the YouTube clip you posted on Cromartie-Rogers is pretty impressive...still, if there is a great d-lineman available at that point I'd love to see us taking him.

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Not to sound cheesy, but I may be forever impacted by my experiences in high school when we had a great set of skill players but the lamest, weakest line you can imagine. Our skill players were all brutalized over the season because they didn't have those lines protecting them.

I'm not saying the Redskins don't have a solid core there to start with, I'm just saying you build from the line out - and we have some age concerns across both lines.

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[quote=Drift Reality;426892]Not to sound cheesy, but I may be forever impacted by my experiences in high school when we had a great set of skill players but the lamest, weakest line you can imagine. Our skill players were all brutalized over the season because they didn't have those lines protecting them.

I'm not saying the Redskins don't have a solid core there to start with, I'm just saying you build from the line out - and we have some age concerns across both lines.[/quote]

I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806d5f26]NFL Video Galleries[/url].

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;426902]I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following [URL="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806d5f26"]NFL Video Galleries[/URL].

- Help at Corner
[B] - A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE[/B]
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.[/quote]

So I'm guessing Mix isn't going to be that guy?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;426902]I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806d5f26]NFL Video Galleries[/url].

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute. I went to high school with Sugar Ray Leonard's son. Which son are you talking about?

Anyhow, as for Nicks I was just saying that if they go OT, then I think Carl Nick is someone they should consider. But his stock is rising so he probably won't be around when they draft in round 2 (and he's not, in my opinion, worth the #21 pick). If they go OG, I like Chilo Rachal.

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[quote=SmootSmack;426907]Wait a minute. I went to high school with Sugar Ray Leonard's son. Which son are you talking about?

Anyhow, as for Nicks I was just saying that if they go OT, then I think Carl Nick is someone they should consider. But his stock is rising so he probably won't be around when they draft in round 2 (and he's not, in my opinion, worth the #21 pick). If they go OG, I like Chilo Rachal.[/quote]

I heard he had a lot of kids, but if you must know, it was Jarell(Sp?).

As far as Nicks goes, I see a lot of mock drafts have him going to the Falcons in the second round. If it's between getting a solid DL in the first round with a great OL prospect in the second then I'm all for it. However I think that the OL that can make a big impact right away will be gone by the time we pick in the second round. Thats why I'm lobbying for Albert to go in the first.

The thing that suprised me though with Nicks, was his body comp. At 345 lbs I expected him to look doughy, but looking at the guy he looks relatively lean, especially for a guy that size.

As far as Chilo goes, well for some reason I keep on thinking that OL that come out of USC are more pass blockers, though I wouldn't mind having Ryan Kalil. I'll have to take a closer look at him.

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Oh ok, I went to HS with Ray Jr.

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[QUOTE][QUOTE=Dirtbag359;426823]Why do you guys always neglect the O-line....sad face? :(. Our offense would have been a whole lot better if we had depth along the O-line say someone like, oh I don't know, say Brandon Albert. I'm telling you, this guy is going to be a beast. I definately think he's going to be a pro-bowler at Guard and will probably switch to Tackle one day. The draft is deep at D-Line so we can afford to wait a round or two. And let me remind you that both of our starting tackles are in their 30's.

I don't know about you but I don't want to become the Chiefs, and the main reason our offense has been in the top half of the league the past few years is good O-line play. [/QUOTE]




While all of these things are true regarding the O-Line, it is more practical to address the more exigent needs of the team. I agree that we need to add O-line depth, but not that early.

I think that as a forum we can agree that we "needs" to address certain defensive issues at DLine and CB. If not that,, WR is a secondary option for the first. With the current projections(and the good combines of defensive skill players) we could easily have a James Hardy or Limas Sweed fall to us at #21. I would not like that, but if JIm Zorn needs one of those guys to help his experiment happen, then Im all for it.


[QUOTE]However right now I'm starting to shy away from Devin Thomas. From what I've heard a lot of his yards were on screen plays and his route running could still use a lot of work. For me I would take him in the third round if he was there, but I'm starting to think that someone is going to take him in the first round.[/QUOTE]

Those things can be coached, but his abilities can not. I still don't think scouts have enough on him to be a 1st round draft pick, but I dont thin khe will fall to us in the 2nd either.

[QUOTE]I'm also scared of all the recent support for Cromartie. I think that the support for him is based on the performance of his cousin as well as his 40 time. I'd rather use the combine to make sure they're working hard, and don't have character issues. Remember Denver's pass defense struggled with Bly and Bailey at corner. Corner play doesn't mean what it use to IMO. [/QUOTE]

If its a coincidence that two guys named "Moss" in the NFL are beasts and not related, then imagine what havoc the Cromartie's will wreak on the NFL.

DRC is a special athlete at the CB position, and since he went to a small school so he is naturally being slept on. If he is this good now and can play against top ranked seniors and can out-perform them at the combine, then imagine how he could develop at the next level.

[QUOTE]Today I'm still looking for Albert to get drafted by us in the first round and I'm hoping to grab Dre Moore in the second. After which I would like to see us draft the best DE or DB. Of course if Jordy Nelson was there in the third round I wouldn't object.[/QUOTE]
If anyone drafts your boy Albert in the first round they are either needy, desperate, or reaching. He will more than likely be a mid 2nd round pick.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;426922][quote]


If anyone drafts your boy Albert in the first round they are either needy, desperate, or reaching. He will more than likely be a mid 2nd round pick.[/quote]

There is nothing despearte about drafting my BOY in the first round(sorry I like saying that PTI style). For the sake of putting my feelings aside Albert is one of the 10 best players according to Mayock and the 20th best according to Kiper. Most mock drafts also have him going in the late first where the latest he goes in some mock drafts is early in the second. On top of that his grade on ESPN shot up 9 points in the last week, which currently gives him a scout grade of 90. in their scouting report they say:

"He could possibly move to ROT in the NFL but we think he fits best inside at guard, where he should quickly develop into an upper-echelon starter."

However I have my own reasons for wanting him outside of possibly being a future tackle. See Joe Gibb's employed a power running game, and a while ago I was surprised to see that Joe Gibbs best backs YPC usually went from 3.8 to 4.0 ypc. Earnest Byner had 3.9 YPC during the last Super Bowl year. Riggins averaged 3.6 YPC back in 1983. Last year Portis average 3.9.

Zorn on the other hand I see calling more outside runs, and thats where Albert comes in. Now from what I've seen and heard Albert has enough power to play smash mouth football, but the special thing about him is his quickness. The guy has the ability to get to the second level and hit guys in space. On top of that he's as good of a pass blocking Guard as your going to find this year so Jason Campbell will be able to sleep well at night.

Albert also has the ability to pull which is great because teams knew when Thomas was healthy that most of the pulling and trap plays were going to involve him. With Albert we'll have more room to run traps and sweeps to either side since Albert has proven more then capable in terms of being a pulling Guard.

Keep in mind I'm not Albert or bust, I think theres a lot of guys that we can draft that will become quality starters. However the best player available at 21 in my opinion is Albert and granted you've read this far you can see that I have my reasons. I realize he's not the sexiest pick, and I know a guy with 4.28 speed or a guy with 1,200+ recieving yards looks better then drafting a guard, but I still believe in this guy. Trust me whoever gets him will be happy they did.

[B]"If its a coincidence that two guys named "Moss" in the NFL are beasts and not related, then imagine what havoc the Cromartie's will wreak on the NFL."[/B]

Note: Funny thing about Rogers-Cromartie is that until a year or two ago, he didn't know that he and Antonio were second cousins. To this day I wonder how long he's been going by the name Rogers-Cromartie. I'll admit I like him but obviously not as much as Albert.

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if i had to get a defensive play i would say pick calias campbell, but if WR is what you go for in the first round i would love to get James Hardy from Indiana Univerisity. with his 6'7 height and his 4.5-4.6 speed he would be great to have for the second receiver, since Zorn wants to use Randel El as a slot receiver. so Hardy is my pick

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albert isn't nearly a value in the 1st, and carl nicks may be gone before the 21st pick (as the 3rd OT drafted).

mix isn't going to help us get anywhere anytime soon, and i hate the excuse that harvey is a bad fit because carter doesn't weigh 290. guess what? either you can play or you can't. gholston is lighter, yet he can do 37 reps, and it's not like we'd be the 1st or 8th or 52nd attempt at using two 270ish DEs and being successful. harvey is just a safer pick than 290lbs campbell who people overhyped because of his size.

if you don't like harvey, try merling. campbell doesn't win in workouts, production, or highlight reels compared to either... that's no guarantee, but it's a pretty good hedge.

dre moore may be available in the 3rd. in the 2nd, laws would be a better pick if available. nonstop motor and good skills.

if DRC is there at our pick, it'd be stupid not to take him. he's shown he's a playmaker, and he's a 6'2" CB that runs 4.33 (the other cromartie ran 4.47)... that's as close as you'll get to TO or moss at the CB position.

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[quote=ibleedredskins;426951]if i had to get a defensive play i would say pick calias campbell, but if WR is what you go for in the first round i would love to get James Hardy from Indiana Univerisity. with his 6'7 height and his 4.5-4.6 speed he would be great to have for the second receiver, since Zorn wants to use Randel El as a slot receiver. so Hardy is my pick[/quote]

he's 6'5" ran a sub 4.5, and was regarded as a 1st rounder beforehand, so i don't think he'll be there. I'd definitely take him over sweed though.

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[quote=That Guy;426987]albert isn't nearly a value in the 1st, and carl nicks may be gone before the 21st pick (as the 3rd OT drafted).

mix isn't going to help us get anywhere anytime soon, and i hate the excuse that harvey is a bad fit because carter doesn't weigh 290. guess what? either you can play or you can't. gholston is lighter, yet he can do 37 reps, and it's not like we'd be the 1st or 8th or 52nd attempt at using two 270ish DEs and being successful. harvey is just a safer pick than 290lbs campbell who people overhyped because of his size.

if you don't like harvey, try merling. campbell doesn't win in workouts, production, or highlight reels compared to either... that's no guarantee, but it's a pretty good hedge.

dre moore may be available in the 3rd. in the 2nd, laws would be a better pick if available. nonstop motor and good skills.

if DRC is there at our pick, it'd be stupid not to take him. he's shown he's a playmaker, and he's a 6'2" CB that runs 4.33 (the other cromartie ran 4.47)... that's as close as you'll get to TO or moss at the CB position.[/quote]

I agree about Harvey. Didn't he weigh in at about 290 at the combine anyways? He can definitely play as well as rise to the occasion for a big game. I like having AC and him coming off the edge. It could be dangerous, as well as free up the middle pass rush a bit when blocking shifts to the outside to account for them.

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I've only read about the Skins so far interviewing Michigan QB Chad Henne, Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard, & University of Oregon QB Dennis Dixon. Has anybody read any other reports of who we've interviewed?

It looks like we'll pick up a QB in the later rounds again. Maybe, give Josh Johnson a shot? Dixon really only had one good season but what a season, right?

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[quote=theJBexperience;427019]I've only read about the Skins so far interviewing Michigan QB Chad Henne, Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard, & University of Oregon QB Dennis Dixon. Has anybody read any other reports of who we've interviewed?

It looks like we'll pick up a QB in the later rounds again. Maybe, give Josh Johnson a shot? Dixon really only had one good season but what a season, right?[/quote]

I think they're just covering their bases, but from what I've seen QB's in the draft are hard to predict where they'll be available.

Last year Troy Smith went from a potential top 5 pick to a second round pick and ended up being taken in the 5th or 6th round

Chris Sims was projected as a late 1st early 2nd, Sims went in the 3rd round

Brady Quin was a top 10 pick until draft day where he was picked around the 22nd spot. Same thing with Aaron Rogers.

Patrick Ramsey was a 2nd or 3rd round pick, the Skins took him in the 1st round.

With that said I really like what I've seen from Henne and if someone takes a chance to groom him he'll become a good NFL starter. If I had to bet I'd say he has a better career then Matt Ryan.

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I think the Falcons would like to pull off that trade with the Giants so they can take Henne with the last pick in the first round

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[quote=SmootSmack;427319]I think the Falcons would like to pull off that trade with the Giants so they can take Henne with the last pick in the first round[/quote]

Never mind then. The Falcons aren't an oven their a furnace. If a QB gets thrown in there he'll be burned alive. Nevertheless that theory sounds about right. Four picks in the first two rounds would probably go a long way towards helping the Falcons rebuild.

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that would suck for henne. i do believe he probably has a better shot as an NFL starter than the other QBs this year, but not if he's a falcon.

if you're team isn't in place (like the steelers or pats were) a rookie QB probably isn't going to be able to save you. especially if you have no patience.

manning had a horrible season as a rookie, but he didn't have 4 coaching changes like these 4-12 teams drafting QBs tend to have, and the stability made it easy to build up around him.

if you're not ready for a rookie QB, or committed to building around him with patience, there's nearly a 100% chance of failure, and it happens all the time :/.

with us, campbell had a line, a playoff capable team (good D, at least 1 WR, RB, FB, TE) so all he has to do is play his part well and not worry about the rest... plus he seems to deal with pressure pretty well anyways.

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1.Quentin Groves DE
2.Branden Albert/Roy Schuening OG

*However if we haven't drafted a receiver in FA by the Draft we should draft either Limas Sweed or James Hardy #1 or #2.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience;427019]I've only read about the Skins so far interviewing Michigan QB Chad Henne, Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard, & University of Oregon QB Dennis Dixon. Has anybody read any other reports of who we've interviewed?

It looks like we'll pick up a QB in the later rounds again. Maybe, give Josh Johnson a shot? Dixon really only had one good season but what a season, right?[/QUOTE]

Im not sure, but I think, to have a comprehensive scouting of the players like most NFL teams, they interview everyone.

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[QUOTE=skinzaholic73;427480]1.Quentin Groves DE
2.Branden Albert/Roy Schuening OG

*However if we haven't drafted a receiver in FA by the Draft we should draft either Limas Sweed or James Hardy #1 or #2.[/QUOTE]

Q Groves would be my pick only if DRC wasn't there for us

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;426845]I have a question for those that are saying we need to go after a cornerback high in the draft: name the starting CB's for the Giants...

I think it is a big myth that you need shutdown corners at both slots. You only need shutdown cornerbacks if you don't have a consistent pass rush from your defensive line.

Look at what the Giants did to the Patriots with an aging Sam Madison (33 years old) and Aaron Ross (not exactly a household name) slotted at cornerback.

I would also say that those who are lobbying hard for a "big wide receiver" are also off the mark. I think we need one but the top of the draft is when we need to find our horses - those guys up front that are going to just create havok on both sides of the ball.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't that they didnt have good corners because they did, but it was an overal defensive team effort. D-line played a HUGE part in it, but we do need shut down corners for the reason u just mentioned - we don't get a good, consistent rush to the QB.

Get a top-flight CD in DRC if he falls, and then we can address D-line later. The top rated talent at DL wont be available to us lat #21, but a top-flight corner in DRC should be.

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Wow, check this out. [URL]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3270327[/URL] (Don't worry about the Insider label, this time around ESPN is giving this story away for free)

21. Washington Redskins -- Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
Record: 9-7 | Needs: WR, S, DE, OT, CB
Previous mock selection: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
The Redskins' top priority is adding a playmaking receiver to the roster. There projects to be a run of wide receivers in the bottom half of the first round, so the Redskins should get involved here before they get shut out. Thomas might not have the ideal size Washington is looking for, but he's a well-built wide out with strong hands and excellent run-after-catch ability.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHbkz0IMIeA]YouTube - Devin Thomas Highlights 2007-08[/url]

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I don't think any WR is worth being selected in the first round

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[quote=SmootSmack;427623]I don't think any WR is worth being selected in the first round[/quote]

I don't know why, but I kind of want them to draft him with that pick now (Then again I can be kind of flakey). So long as they can get a guy like your BOY Chilo Rachel in the 2nd and Dre Moore or Johnny Dingle in the 3rd. Maybe make a move to make Robertson the latest JetSkin with a late second day pick.

Also, am I the only one that wants Jerry Jones to draft Darren McFadden? Facing Reggie Bush, I mean McFadden twice a year would be a dream in my opinon.

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rachel won't be there by our second pick. i'd still prefer T laws there if he's available.

mcfadden isn't a complete running back, but he'll transition a little better to the nfl, i believe.

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[quote=That Guy;427851]rachel won't be there by our second pick. i'd still prefer T laws there if he's available.

mcfadden isn't a complete running back, but he'll transition a little better to the nfl, i believe.[/quote]

Well at this point I'm convinced, weather I like it or not, the 21st pick will probably be Devin Thomas. The pick has Synder written all over it and with the FA WR market drying up at the current rate we'll probably end up coming out of Free Agency without signing a guy that will make Cerrato say "Ok we're set."

As far as Rachel not being there. Well I'm convinced that with the way the draft unfolds year after year, someone is going to fall. Maybe it'll be Shcueling, Chilo, Eric Young, Carl Nicks. One or two of those guys will be available in the second round when we pick. I mean last year I could have never predicted that one of the ten best players, in my opinion, Ryan Kalil, would fall to the bottom of the second round.

However right now while looking at a few profiles I think that the Redskins could be targeting Mike McGlynn in the 3rd round. Guy is solid at G and has experience playing every position on the line.

Laws looks good, but I would like to risk him falling to the third round before taking him. Of course at this rate he's looking like a mid 2nd round pick.

Right now I see the Redskins draft going as follows. This is more what I think the Redskins will do as opposed to what I want, however I approve of the following picks.

[B]1st -[/B] Devin Thomas - WR - MSU
[B]2nd -[/B] Tracey Porter - CB - Indiana
[B]3rd -[/B] Mike McGlynn - G - Pitt
[B]5th-[/B] Trade for DeWayne Robertson (I'm sticking to my guns on this one)
[B]6th -[/B] Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
[B]7th -[/B] Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State

Other possible 7th Round Picks
Dennis Keyes - FS - UCLA