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I like Duckett, but don't like this deal. Last time I checked Betts was doing a pretty good job and we didn't need alot of help on goal line situations if I remember right. To give up a 3rd rounder for a potential 3rd string rb? A couple years ago we picked up some guy named...Cooley in the 3rd, right?

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Let's also remember that Betts is on the last year of his deal. It's better to get a back that's probably better than he is, rather than worrying about signing him next year OR finding a rookie RB in the draft.

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I go away for two hours to do the work thingy, and 4 new pages and a poll are added to this TJD thread! Now, I'll never get any work done!

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Hopefully we can trade away one of the backs we have now for OL or CB help. I'm not sure about this deal yet or how TJ will fit in with our group of guys. Whats his character like , is he a Gibbs guy?

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[quote=redsk1;207005]I like Duckett, but don't like this deal. Last time I checked Betts was doing a pretty good job and we didn't need alot of help on goal line situations if I remember right. To give up a 3rd rounder for a potential 3rd string rb? A couple years ago we picked up some guy named...Cooley in the 3rd, right?[/quote]

We didn't trade for Duckett for him to be 3rd string.

I fully expect we'll see Betts moved in the coming weeks.

One of our main weaknesses the past two years has been goal line running. Duckett is going to improve that 100%.

I like Betts, and I think the staff really does too. But he's too injury prone to be counted on. He's nursing a sore hammy right now for crying out loud.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;206854]In case you guys have missed it Betts has been pretty injury prone his entire career. That's not a good thing when our main guy Portis is also banged up. Does anyone really want Rock Cartwright getting 25 carries per game?[/QUOTE]


That's a good point, Betts does seem to have problems with assorted injuries contrary to his college career where he was injury free. It could be that there are problems working out an extension for Betts who will be a FA at the end of the season. On the contrary Duckett will also be a FA so I'm really concerned about how this is going to pan out long term. I like the trade but someone has to go, so it's going to be interesting in th coming weeks to see who stays and who goes.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;207024]We didn't trade for Duckett for him to be 3rd string.

I fully expect we'll see Betts moved in the coming weeks.

One of our main weaknesses the past two years has been goal line running. Duckett is going to improve that 100%.

I like Betts, and I think the staff really does too. But he's too injury prone to be counted on. He's nursing a sore hammy right now for crying out loud.[/QUOTE]

That's the crux of this deal. Betts has to go. It simply doesn't make a whole ton of sense otherwise. There is no need for us to have 3 starting level RBs when we have great needs at OL and CB. Betts gets moved for either a pick or depth.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete;206949]Something went very wrong if we don't finish higher then Denver!!![/QUOTE]

I don't know about that. Denver's expectations are as high as anyone's in the AFC. They were at home for the championship game last year.

It'll be tough to [I]match[/I] Denver's record this year -- especially considering the divisions each play in. Denver has Oakland and the Chargers to beat up on, and they stand a good chance to sweep the Chiefs.

If the 1st and 3rd deal is true, and we don't finish better than the Broncos, then this deal was [B]absurd[/B].

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We'll be exchanging first round picks, not giving one up completely.

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[quote=FRPLG;206946]I don't care what happens if we have to give up a 1st and 3rd for TJ then it is a BAD DEAL. There is no reasonable scenario in which a 1st and 3rd is acceptable.

As someone said earlier; a 1st and 3rd gets you a back like D. Davis at least.[/quote]

Yeeeesh, I agree that a 1 and a 3 is WAAAY too much, who who wants tiny Dom Davis and his balky knee? At least Duckett brings something different to the table...

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[quote=steveo395;206881][B]Broncos | Team could receive two first-day draft picks for Lelie[/B]
Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:38:03 -0700
Updating previous reports, Jeff Legwold, of the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/168"][COLOR=#0000ff]Rocky Mountain News[/COLOR][/URL], reports the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Denver Broncos[/COLOR][/URL] could receive two first-day draft picks from the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/URL] in the three-team trade involving former [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Broncos[/COLOR][/URL] WR [URL="http://www.kffl.com/player/622/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Ashley Lelie[/COLOR][/URL]. If the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Redskins[/COLOR][/URL] finish with a worse record than the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Broncos[/COLOR][/URL] in 2006, Denver would receive the Redskins' first- and third-round picks. If the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Redskins[/COLOR][/URL] finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver would receive the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks.

this is retarded...even if we finish with a better record than them...and it makes no sense[/quote]We won't finish with a worse record than the Broncos, but this clause is still rediculous. And who gives a 3rd and 4th for Duckett, much less a first and third.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;207040]We'll be exchanging first round picks, not giving one up completely.[/QUOTE]

Ok, that changes things then.

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[quote=Big C;206886]we better finish with a better record than the broncos...i cant go another draft without a first round pick

what happens if we have the same record? lol[/quote]What I really dont like about this deal is that if we finish with a worse record than Denver, we dont pick on the first day. It's tough to improve your team like that.

I like our chances to finish better than Denver, but even if we do, it's still a 3 and 4 which is a great deal for Denver.

If we are gonna gamble, why not offer a 5th that would become a first and third if they have a better record than us. This is a win-win for Denver the way it is right now.

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Here's how the deal would work, [B][U]WE'RE NOT GIVING UP A 1ST![/U][/B]

[quote]Based on the teams' finish this season, the Broncos, at best, could end up with the Redskins' first- and third-round picks in the 2007 draft if the Redskins finish with a worse record than the Broncos.

[B]In that scenario, the Broncos and Redskins would flip-flop first-round picks, with Denver moving up in the opening round and the Redskins moving down. The Broncos would then get the Redskins' third-round pick as well.[/B]

If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver gets the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks in April.

[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;206879]How many years does Ducket have left on his contract?[/quote]He's a UFA at the end of the year. I'm betting we extend his deal though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;207051]Here's how the deal would work, [B][U]WE'RE NOT GIVING UP A 1ST![/U][/B][/quote]OK, that makes more sense.

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if we do swap first round picks we are talking about picks in the latefirst round. probably 25th or worse so its not that big of a deal if we have to swap them.

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Yesssssssss...I love it, I was always saying that Portis was being overused and didn't think he had any business running up the middle as much as he does. Now maybe he'll be able to make it through the whole season without those knagging injurues.

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probablr destanations for betts: Indy, Jets, SF.
anyone else?

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As a budding lawyer Im always looking for ways to mess with the interpretation of contract language...so Im hoping that they forgot to put this part into the trade agreement. All stories specify "record" as the thing on which the trade turns. However, consider this scenario: We finish 10-6 or 11-5 and the Broncos finish a game or two better than us. However, we make it through the wild card rounds to the Superbowl, at which point we are automatically given the #31 or 32 pick regardless of record. If the record portion of the trade agreement has already been triggered, could we possibly end up with a better draft pick?

Now Im sure they thought of this during negotiations, but hey, always gotta look for the loopholes!

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I'm just glad we have a NEW TJ to talk about. One that might actually do something. :biggthump

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[quote=gibbsisgod;207057]probablr destanations for betts: Indy, Jets, SF.
anyone else?[/quote]

My guess would be the Jets are the main possible destination.

Indy seems to be fine with their RB situation, and Gore seems to be pretty safe as SF's starter.

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[quote=amorentz;207060]As a budding lawyer Im always looking for ways to mess with the interpretation of contract language...so Im hoping that they forgot to put this part into the trade agreement. All stories specify "record" as the thing on which the trade turns. However, consider this scenario: We finish 10-6 or 11-5 and the Broncos finish a game or two better than us. However, we make it through the wild card rounds to the Superbowl, at which point we are automatically given the #31 or 32 pick regardless of record. If the record portion of the trade agreement has already been triggered, could we possibly end up with a better draft pick?

Now Im sure they thought of this during negotiations, but hey, always gotta look for the loopholes![/quote]

Since the playoffs do factor in to determining draft order, I would think 'record' would include the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=MightyJoeGibbs;206933]So with Betts/Duckett both in the last year of their contract unless they are going to move forward with extending TJ now it seems that the one who stays will have to show they want it more.[/QUOTE]


That's the one thing about this trade that concerns me. Considering the compensation being considered for Duckett the only way this makes any sense is we're reasonably certain we can sign Duckett to an extension now before the FA period begins. No way would this make sense if it's only for him to be here for one season and goes on the market possibly commanding much more than we're going to be willing to pay. This is going to be interesting, and I'm curious to see how it pan's out.

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[quote=FRPLG;207037]That's the crux of this deal. Betts has to go. It simply doesn't make a whole ton of sense otherwise. There is no need for us to have 3 starting level RBs when we have great needs at OL and CB. Betts gets moved for either a pick or depth.[/quote]

I have been thinking on this one all morning and that is the only logical conclusion. As I mentioned in another post yesterday, when I reviewed the game tame, Betts looked very slow to the hole, and indecisive in his cuts. I think Betts has not proven out to be what Saunder's wanted and he is in a unrestricted FA contract year.

Duckett, on the other hand , could be more in line with what Saunders is looking for in a #2 back and is a restricted FA next year, making it easier for us to keep him if we want to. That said, he will undoubtedly want to be paid this coming offseason, especially if this works out well this year.

I say the next team who's #1 or #2 RB goes down with an injury this preseason will be able to get Betts from us for a 3rd or 4th rounder or a young O-line prospect.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;207057]probablr destanations for betts: Indy, Jets, SF.
anyone else?[/quote]


Nah, i don't think SF is a likely destination, they just named Frank Gore their starter for a reason, it would be unlikely to name the guy your starter than trade for another back. I'm thinking the Jets might, even though they just picked up Barlow, although it's not likely they will. I don't understand why Saunders gave Betts all this praise, and now it looks like we're trying to trade him, unless Saunders was just trying to make Betts look good so we could get a better offer.

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I read somewhere this morning that we gave up a 2nd AND a 3rd round pick for Duckett. I think we could've used those picks better than getting a goal-line back WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE in Sellars.

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I think Saunders really does like Betts.

But the main concern about Betts has always been his injury problems, and surprise, surprise he's nursing a sore hammy right now.

With Portis banged up, I think the staff really had to take a long, hard look at the RB situation. I'm sure they played a bit of what if. What if Portis can't hold up? What if he wears down again at the end of the season like last year? What if Portis goes down and Betts is also hurt? Then what? Rock Cartwright? Please.

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[quote=Buster;207072]I read somewhere this morning that we gave up a 2nd AND a 3rd round pick for Duckett. I think we could've used those picks better than getting a goal-line back WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE in Sellars.[/quote]

Where did you read that? I haven't seen anything about a 2nd rounder. A 2nd and a 3rd rounder would make no sense based on trade value charts.

The trade will be officially announced today, until then this seems to be the most logical details about the trade.

[quote]Based on the teams' finish this season, the Broncos, at best, could end up with the Redskins' first- and third-round picks in the 2007 draft if the Redskins finish with a worse record than the Broncos.

[B]In that scenario, the Broncos and Redskins would flip-flop first-round picks, with Denver moving up in the opening round and the Redskins moving down. The Broncos would then get the Redskins' third-round pick as well.[/B]

If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver gets he Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks in April.[/quote]

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I don't think we gave up anything more than a 3rd round pick. I have yet to see anywhere or hear anything other than a 3rd round pick. Would Gibbs and the guys really give a 1st round pick for TJ? I don't think they would put that kind of value on a guy who only gained 380 yards last year. Redskins.com, ESPN, and NFL netword all have it as a 3rd round pick. Thats it... wouldn't they say a third round pick and a conditional pick to be named later if it were anything other than a 3rd rounder?

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matty, you almost make it sound like this was a pannicked move by the redskins.

I think we would have gone after him regardless of portis's injury status.we needed a good goaline back and as someone pointed out earlier with those goalline stats, he is one of the best.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;207075]I don't think we gave up anything more than a 3rd round pick. I have yet to see anywhere or hear anything other than a 3rd round pick. Would Gibbs and the guys really give a 1st round pick for TJ? I don't think they would put that kind of value on a guy who only gained 380 yards last year. Redskins.com, ESPN, and NFL netword all have it as a 3rd round pick. Thats it... wouldn't they say a third round pick and a conditional pick to be named later if it were anything other than a 3rd rounder?[/quote]

That's all it was, a third round. All this rubbish about us giving up a first rounder, two picks here and there...no way. It was a third as you said.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;207077]matty, you almost make it sound like this was a pannicked move by the redskins.

I think we would have gone after him anyways regardless of portis's injury status.we needed a good goaline back and as someone pointed out earlier with those goalline stats, we got one of the best.[/quote]

Panic move?

Not at all.

If Betts was 100% right now I'm not sure they make this move, and if Portis was healthy I really don't think they would have made it.

I don't think it has anything to do with panic. Panic to me indicates a move made out of desperation without much thought behind it. I think this was a well calculated move.

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[quote=RedskinPete;206949]Something went very wrong if we don't finish higher then Denver!!![/quote]

I think we'll beat them in the Super Bowl.

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Just think everyone, when we are down on the goalline this year we will have two of the biggest backs in the NFL to pound it in. Ducket behind Sellers!! I don't think we will be throwing the ball on the 2 yard line much this year. Just pound that rock!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;207074]Where did you read that? I haven't seen anything about a 2nd rounder. A 2nd and a 3rd rounder would make no sense based on trade value charts.

The trade will be officially announced today, until then this seems to be the most logical details about the trade.[/quote]

Some article on Yahoo. I can't find it again. Probably NOT a reliable source but I did read it.

An article on ESPN mentioned a formula where we'd give up 3rd and 4th to Denver at worst.

The Broncos seem to get ALL of our draft picks.

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To all of those screaming the sky is falling as a result of this trade, you need to go get laid or something because you are clearly wound way too tight.

We got great value for NEXT YEAR's #3 pick. NEWSFLASH: That pick will not be on the field THIS YEAR. There is a window of opportunity THIS YEAR. What we got in return was someone who can be a real goal line back -- something that we have been missing (and has cost us games).

Duckett does ease the stress of when CP will be back, but here is the part I'm really looking forward to:

Seeing what happens when Al Saunder's puts CP & TJ in the backfield at the same time. The way AS uses the FB position, this would create some amazing opportunities for mismatches that will result in points.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;207082]Just think everyone, when we are down on the goalline this year we will have two of the biggest backs in the NFL to pound it in. Ducket behind Sellers!! I don't think we will be throwing the ball on the 2 yard line much this year. Just pound that rock!![/quote]not just that, late in the game when the defense has their hands on their hips,and sucking wind after chasing portis for 3 quarters, then they have big TJ to deal with. this is gonna be fun to watch.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;207082]Just think everyone, when we are down on the goalline this year we will have two of the biggest backs in the NFL to pound it in. Ducket behind Sellers!! I don't think we will be throwing the ball on the 2 yard line much this year. Just pound that rock!![/quote]

Duckett behind Sellars DOES sound awesome.

I just hope we didn't give up TOO much for it.

For Portis fantasy owners like me, don't worry....CP will still get plenty of LONG TD runs while Duckett is waiting for a goal-line situation to come in for. Portis can put the ball over the goal line from ANYWHERE on the field.

:)

It makes me replay his first carry as a Redskin against TB in my head again.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgQDM5433U]YouTube - T.J. Duckett Highlights[/url] - It looks as though he puts a good hurting on a defense.