Media Bias
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1196546]I think its wrong to conflate fake news with media bias. There are examples of both occurring more frequently.

Media bias is more or less a generalized acknowledgement of what that chart attempts to convey. That every outlet has some level of leaning and some level of fact vs opinion.

Fake news is much more insidious in that it attempts to distort singular facts into a false narrative. It puts a facade of journalistic integrity while pushing a dogmatic underlying message[/QUOTE]


I agree, but the problem is we have a President who liberally uses the term fake news for anything he disagrees with, or for any news outlet that doesn’t bow to him. He routinely dismisses CNN as fake news. I think that’s a problem.

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I think CNN specifically has taken a deep dive in credibility in their reporting during Trump's presidency, basically fulfilling the role that Trump created for them[QUOTE=MTK;1196548]I agree, but the problem is we have a President who liberally uses the term fake news for anything he disagrees with, or for any news outlet that doesn’t bow to him. He routinely dismisses CNN as fake news. I think that’s a problem.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Chico23231;1196547]Wrong about what exactly?[/quote]

You're campaign on the media as "fake news" .Go back and look at the post that was quoted.

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This is about a year old.............

[url]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-most-and-the-least-trusted-news-sources-in-the-us-2017-08-03[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1196548]I agree, but the problem is we have a President who liberally uses the term fake news for anything he disagrees with, or for any news outlet that doesn’t bow to him. He routinely dismisses CNN as fake news. I think that’s a problem.[/quote]

2 Question, what’s your expectations for CNN? And if Hillary would have won the election, the topic of Russia meddling in elections....would it even be covered?

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[quote=Giantone;1196552]You're campaign on the media as "fake news" .Go back and look at the post that was quoted.[/quote]

Media bias, distrust in the media, media organization that have political agendas, fake news, media that disregard and disrespect journalism ethics and a country full of people that views the media negatively


All very real, all very true.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196555]Media bias, distrust in the media, media organization that have political agendas, fake news, media that disregard and disrespect journalism ethics and a country full of people that views the media negatively


All very real, all very true.[/quote]

[B]BS, [/B]

Since Ben Franklin started the first "New Paper" this has been going on!

'Franklin saw the printing press as a device to instruct colonial Americans in moral virtue. ... He tried to influence American moral life through construction of a printing network based on a chain of partnerships from the Carolinas to New England. Franklin thereby invented the first newspaper chain."

Call it what you want propaganda ,misinformation and now the trumplings come up with "fake news".
Again you bring up "ethics"....like it is some sword of virtue that you expect from every journalist and I do all so but I do understand they are humans and humans are not perfect but you don't expect it from your president,what the phuck? People believe what they want to believe but you and your president attacking the American free press is total BS and you know it. It is the press's job, a journalist job to question everything and especially everything a President does and becuase they do does not make them bias or "fake news".


Chico you're part of the trump cult and they don't give a shit about this country right now.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1196554]2 Question, what’s your expectations for CNN? And if Hillary would have won the election, the topic of Russia meddling in elections....would it even be covered?[/QUOTE]


Sorry but CNN is not fake news. Do they lean liberal? Sure. Do they fabricate stories? No.

And they’re nowhere near in matching the toxicity of FOX during Obama’s tenure.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196558]Sorry but CNN is not fake news. Do they lean liberal? Sure. Do they fabricate stories? No.

And they’re nowhere near in matching the toxicity of FOX during Obama’s tenure.[/QUOTE]I would be interested to see the number of negative articles toward Obama on Fox vs the equivalent number of negative articles toward Trump on CNN.

I would speculate the numbers would be even or CNNs would outnumber Foxs. Especially in the first 2 years.

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Which WH was more combative and outwardly negative towards the media? Trump came out swinging from day 1.

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[quote=MTK;1196560]Which WH was more combative and outwardly negative towards the media? Trump came out swinging from day 1.[/quote]

I agree on that, with one addendum. It didn't start with this administration. There had been a deteriorating condition in this country over the past 12 years as the politicians on both sides became more partisan, and the concept of moderation over the internet became less the norm and hyper partisanship has taken over.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196559]I would be interested to see the number of negative articles toward Obama on Fox vs the equivalent number of negative articles toward Trump on CNN.

I would speculate the numbers would be even or CNNs would outnumber Foxs. Especially in the first 2 years.[/quote]

Again I will ask, becuase it is negative or leans "left" does it make it "FAKE"?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196572]Again I will ask, becuase it is negative or leans "left" does it make it "FAKE"?[/QUOTE]No. It can and does happen on right-leaning outlets and left-leaning sources.

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[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-butina-exclusive/exclusive-accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-fed-officials-idUSKBN1KC0DC[/url]

Reuters broke a story that this Russian spy met with 2 high obama officials in 2015...

Can someone tell me why the NYT, Washington post, la times, nbc news who have run multiple stories attempting to connect her to trump...somehow overlooked the this timeline and this major story?

This is why they are fake news...because whose to say they knew and never reported this? If these are the supposed top news journalists in the world...we would expect Reuters to report this over the others?

And now they are not mentioning this story? Doesn’t it seem strange? They cherry pick the facts to make up the narrative they want folks.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196827][url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-butina-exclusive/exclusive-accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-fed-officials-idUSKBN1KC0DC[/url]

Reuters broke a story that this Russian spy met with 2 high obama officials in 2015...

Can someone tell me why the NYT, Washington post, la times, nbc news who have run multiple stories attempting to connect her to trump...somehow overlooked the this timeline and this major story?

This is why they are fake news...because whose to say they knew and never reported this? If these are the supposed top news journalists in the world...we would expect Reuters to report this over the others?

And now they are not mentioning this story? Doesn’t it seem strange? They cherry pick the facts to make up the narrative they want folks.[/quote]

Well let's see. The Reuters article was posted yesterday.

A quick Google search brings up:

[URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-was-at-2015-meeting-with-top-fed-official-1532300577"]Wall St. Journal has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/maria-butina-treasury-officials/index.html"]CNN has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-accused-russian-spy-maria-butina-met-with-treasury-fed-reserve-officials-in-2015/"]CBS News has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/07/22/world/europe/22reuters-usa-russia-butina-exclusive.html"]New York Times ran it as an exclusive two days ago[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-and-fed-officials.html"]CNBC ran it yesterday[/URL]

And MSN (my main source) seems to be broken right now so I'll give them a pass, but I expect to see something on there about it when it comes back up.