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[QUOTE=Bucket;1152731]His breakdown was good outside the Djax one. That almost interception was all on Djax

It's a high low look. Kirk keys the Mike, and throws to Djax on the Post. Djax CANNOT allow the safety to cross his face. If Djax continues his route it's a Touchdown or pass interference at best. He stops his route because he sees traffic. This is where having a bigger WR like Doctson would help this team.

That ball was perfectly thrown and should of been a TD. Two TD were missed because of Djax on Sunday, but he's a baller. So he will always get his.

I would like to add. I was watching Monday Morning QB and all 3 QB on that show that are retired now think Kirk Cousins is the future at QB for the Redskins.

Inside the NFL Michael Irvin said, and I quote.

"NFC East is the only division in the NFL that every team is set at the QB position, and the records show"

I am going with experts on this. Kirk is the future of this team.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he was sharp most of the game, I agree Kirk is the guy as I've said all OS. Just pay him a respectable deal and I know Scot will do what's best. Hopefully another team doesn't offer him more but we'll see

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Bucket;1152731] I was watching Monday Morning QB and all 3 QB on that show that are retired now think Kirk Cousins is the future at QB for the Redskins.[/quote]

Are you speaking of Phil Simms, Rich Gannon, and Steve Beurlein?

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[quote=Defensewins;1152692]I am worried for him. I thought he had put behind him the concussion thing.
After each subsequent concussion it only gets worse. He is much more susceptible to more concussions. This could cut short his career, not to mention CTE and the long term consequences. I hope he recovers.[/quote]

The argument could be safely made that after 6 documented concussions and who knows how many more "undocumented" concussions, he could probably retire now and save his brain. Like you said, its gets worse each time, and it also gets easier to receive a concussion after each one you get. Not worth risking his life / his health, etc...

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well the "Kirk will struggle w/o Reed" talk is put to rest.

He's had 4 total tds and 1 Int in the 2 weeks he's been out.

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He throws a pick six one week and we win, no picks the next and we lose. I think there's a valuable lesson there that it's not all on Kirk.

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Kirk had a great game yesterday. So did the D minus one drive. Damn you Matt Jones, and Ryan Grant. Just damn you both. Hopkins gets a pass.

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Ultimately, KC is a guy you can win with. Who knows if he's elite. He's certainly not garbage, and in the NFL where Osweiler gets 37Mil we are going to pay to keep him. We won't franchise him again, and I expect his number is going to be around 24mil per year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1153387]Ultimately, KC is a guy you can win with. Who knows if he's elite. He's certainly not garbage, and in the NFL where Osweiler gets 37Mil we are going to pay to keep him. We won't franchise him again, and I expect his number is going to be around 24mil per year.[/quote]

I'd go with McCoy at a much lower rate than give 24mil/yr to Kirk. I'd rather build a quality team with the extra money than dump into a QB that's proven to be average at this point. Kirk isn't our main problem, but he hasn't shown he's worthy of an extension either in my book.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1153405]I'd go with McCoy at a much lower rate than give 24mil/yr to Kirk. I'd rather build a quality team with the extra money than dump into a QB that's proven to be average at this point. Kirk isn't our main problem, but he hasn't shown he's worthy of an extension either in my book.[/quote]

That's the kind of thinking that gets coaches fired.
You can't decide to settle for someone worse because of a few million. Especially when 20 million isn't even that much towards the cap. 12% of the cap is where you want the QB cap to be.

20 million for about 5 more wins a season that McCoy isn't going to get you.

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[quote=Bucket;1153408]That's the kind of thinking that gets coaches fired.
You can't decide to settle for someone worse because of a few million. Especially when 20 million isn't even that much towards the cap. 12% of the cap is where you want the QB cap to be.

20 million for about 5 more wins a season that McCoy isn't going to get you.[/quote]


A few million? We're talking about the difference between 20mil/yr compared to 4mil/yr for a stop gap like McCoy. I like Kirk but I'm for one in the mindset that you dont' overpay for above average talent. So far, Kirk has shown he's marginal. He hasn't earned that long term deal in my opinion, but that could change the last half of this season. He had a really good game this past week, but we need to see it more consistently from week to week.

I highly doubt Kirk is netting us 5 more games with him starting. Kirk isn't the reason we're losing, but he's not always to reason we're winning either.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1153412]A few million? We're talking about the difference between 20mil/yr compared to 4mil/yr for a stop gap like McCoy. I like Kirk but I'm for one in the mindset that you dont' overpay for marginal talent. So far, Kirk has shown he's marginal. He hasn't earned that long term deal in my opinion, but that could change the last half of this season. He had a really good game this past week, but we need to see it more consistently from week to week.

I highly doubt Kirk is netting us 5 more games with him starting. Kirk isn't the reason we're losing, but he's not always to reason we're winning either.[/quote]

Kirk is not a marginal talent. Just about any credible talent evaluator would place him in the top half of all NFL QB's right now. My personal expectation is that he will continue to improve throughout this season and beyond.

Kirk won the game for us yesterday. Unfortunately, our defense gave it right back.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1153412]A few million? We're talking about the difference between 20mil/yr compared to 4mil/yr for a stop gap like McCoy. I like Kirk but I'm for one in the mindset that you dont' overpay for marginal talent. So far, Kirk has shown he's marginal. He hasn't earned that long term deal in my opinion, but that could change the last half of this season. He had a really good game this past week, but we need to see it more consistently from week to week.



I highly doubt Kirk is netting us 5 more games with him starting. Kirk isn't the reason we're losing, but he's not always to reason we're winning either.[/QUOTE]



Marginal is a little harsh dont you think? His numbers over almost his last 20 games are far from marginal.
Also if you think we would be 4-3 with McCoy in can you please pass it over here it must be good. Lol. Over the course of 16 games he certainly garners us at least 5 more wins than Colt. Because of Cousins we almost won yesterday. I know we did not but there is almost zero percent probability that Colt takes us on two late touchdown drives to go ahead.

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KC is marginal is about as hilarious as saying Keenum is a baller.

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[quote=punch it in;1153419]Marginal is a little harsh dont you think? His numbers over almost his last 20 games are far from marginal.
Also if you think we would be 4-3 with McCoy in can you please pass it over here it must be good. Lol. Over the course of 16 games he certainly garners us at least 5 more wins than Colt. Because of Cousins we almost won yesterday. I know we did not but there is almost zero percent probability that Colt takes us on two late touchdown drives to go ahead.[/quote]

Marginal was indeed harsh so I retract that. He's above average QB. He's currently 21st in the league in QB rating, but he ranks high in terms of yards per game. I just don't like the idea of paying a non-franchise QB franchise kind of money that doesn't produce franchise type results. I'd be furious right now if I were a Bears or Ravens fan. Their QBs are killing their salary caps and they have nothing to show for it.

You also have to put into context the teams we've played for him to get those numbers as well.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1153405]I'd go with McCoy at a much lower rate than give 24mil/yr to Kirk. I'd rather build a quality team with the extra money than dump into a QB that's proven to be average at this point. Kirk isn't our main problem, but he hasn't shown he's worthy of an extension either in my book.[/quote]

You've got SolidSnake thinking you are talking straight from SM's playbook.

Our cap space is good next year, we have the 7th most cap space available, and next year before we sign KC we will have around 47mil, or the 6th most available with 44 players under contract (numbers from OTC) If you have a capable NFL qb, who knows your system you don't give it up for a longtime journeyman. Thats just not the way it works...

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