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Rex should be benched for at least a game and we'll see what Beck does against NC.

That was a really derp performance by him. We looked like the Keystone Cops. Two of the INTs are entirely on him - he threw into coverage with no 'Skins in sight. He cost us the game more than the second biggest problem, which was a D that didn't wake up until they coughed up a huge lead.

We can't expect the D to keep us out of holes if our offense's QB is giving the opposing team's D the opportunity to help dig said hole, too.

He should have been benched after he choked up the ball in the Dallas game - when he looked behind him and SAW the defender coming and STILL did not protect the ball.

Bench his arse. Announce it on Wednesday that we're rolling the dice with Beck, see what happens with Cam and his horrid defense. Rex needs to be sat in the corner for crapping his pants...

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[quote=GMScud;848768]At the end of the day we have a winning record with him as our QB. I'd prefer to see John Beck after what we saw yesterday, but we're 3-2 with 11 games left, and we're going up against a 1-5 team (I know Carolina is scrappy, but still, 1-5).

The sky is nowhere close to falling.[/quote]

Carolina is a very good 1-5 team if that makes since, and we struggle down there. I'm worried about them

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[quote=skinsfaninok;848774]Carolina is a very good 1-5 team if that makes since, and we struggle down there. I'm worried about them[/quote]

I'm by no means writing off Carolina as a win. I don't think they're a pushover at all. But playing them after a loss like we had yesterday is a lot more palatable than taking on one of the next two opponents after Carolina - Buffalo and San Fran.

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I just think Grossman is what he is. A good back up that can bail you out for a game, two or three but nothing more. His track record speaks for itself.

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[quote=GMScud;848777]I'm by no means writing off Carolina as a win. I don't think they're a pushover at all. But playing them after a loss like we had yesterday is a lot more palatable than taking on one of the next two opponents after Carolina - Buffalo and San Fran.[/quote]

If we can bounce back and win I'll be good to go because I think we will beat Buffalo, infact I think the Bills are about to come down a bit

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[quote=skinsfan69;848781]I just think Grossman is what he is. A good back up that can bail you out for a game, two or three but nothing more. His track record speaks for itself.[/quote]

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[quote=Monkeydad;848711]There is no way you can blame his INTs yesterday on the receivers. He threw the ball directly into the defenders' hands/chests...sometimes without a Redskins receiver even in the vicinity.

Now, we can make a case that Stallworth and Gaffney let Beck down...they dropped easy ones from him for big gains/TDs.

His only ugly throw that I remember was the rollout/pass back across the field to Torain. It hit the ground and was nowhere near an Eagle. You gotta expect some rust from not playing since 2007, but he looks GREAT to me.[/quote]

No way, definitely not putting his ints on the receivers. FD could've tried harder on the first one to bring it in, but he was well covered and it never should've been thrown to him. And on the goalline one FD was supposed to cross the DB's face, but he didn't, but again he was well covered on that one too. So the blame can be spread around. And the Coleman pick on the sideline was just Grossman making a dumb throw. If you're going to throw it out of bounds, throw it out of bounds. Don't throw it near the boundary and hope that the db who's been reading you all day doesn't read you again and make a play. Grossman deserves to get benched, that's for sure. He's still inconsistent and still throws boneheaded ints. All I'm saying is that his offensive teammates didn't have consistent days either, and that hurts Grossman.

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tough game.. I'm torn to see how he bounces back, or not... or just start beck

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[quote=Mechanix544;848749]
I know this for sure, I am so tired of seeing over half the teams in this league have competent qb play, and our quarterback is doing everything in his power for us to LOSE the game. its time we take the noose (Rex Grossman) from around our neck, and play football.[/quote]

In all fairness, we [B]had [/B]competent, if boring and conservative QB play. The dude was doing pretty well in OAK up until this past week.

I know that probably zero actual Redskins fans said "you know who I'd like to be starting in 2011? REX F'N GROSSMAN, THAT'S WHO." With that said, when we had low-mistake, boring, dink-and-dunk quarterbacking, it was the same story: this guy sucks, get him out of here. /shrug

I hope I'm wrong but I fully expect to be hearing the same thing after Beck's mistakes cost us a game or two.

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[quote=dgack;848881]In all fairness, we [B]had [/B]competent, if boring and conservative QB play. The dude was doing pretty well in OAK up until this past week.

I know that probably zero actual Redskins fans said "you know who I'd like to be starting in 2011? REX F'N GROSSMAN, THAT'S WHO." With that said, when we had low-mistake, boring, dink-and-dunk quarterbacking, it was the same story: this guy sucks, get him out of here. /shrug

I hope I'm wrong but I fully expect to be hearing the same thing after Beck's mistakes cost us a game or two.[/quote]

Surely you can't be talking about, Jason "what sport is this again" Campbell. The problem with Campbell was not that he made poor throws, it's that he wouldn't throw it at all. Time and time again, if you put on the tape, you will see Campbell with that dear-in-the-headlights look on his face, all the while wide open receivers streaking down the field. He just didn't see them, because he would be too busy staring at Santana Moss from Snap to SACK.

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lol... our receivers weren't open very often.. nor did the line even allow him to SEE the head lights... dunno what "tape" ur watching.... but id take Campbell over Grossman 10 outta 10 times honestly

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Candle could never do it against the Giants while others could(Collins, Grossman). Something about Candle's play obviously makes the Giants D really happy.

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um.... yea... Grossman and a d that blocked a field goal.and pitched a 2nd half shut out ... Eli didn't destroy us like usual.. and they didn't run all over us like usual ... we scored a defensive touchdown otherwise we only win by one td, 4 if we don't.block the fg .. sure Rex played well but he didn't do mucj Campbell didn't an he did it against a different defensive line and an all around hurt defense ... that comparison is cardboard flimsy

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[quote=Meks;848922]um.... yea... Grossman and a d that blocked a field goal.and pitched a 2nd half shut out ... Eli didn't destroy us like usual.. and they didn't run all over us like usual ... we scored a defensive touchdown otherwise we only win by one td, 4 if we don't.block the fg .. sure Rex played well but he didn't do mucj Campbell didn't an he did it against a different defensive line and an all around hurt defense ... that comparison is cardboard flimsy[/quote]Two touchdowns and a setup for THT's one-yard TD run. Hence, he was [I]heavily [/I]responsible for [I]all THREE [/I]touchdowns against the Giants. The pressure Grossman faced was right on par with what Campbell experienced. Not to mention Trent Williams was getting [B]absolutely destroyed[/B] by Jason-Pierre Paul in the second half to the point he was practically "not even there". Candle faced similar pressure and get past the 17 point barrier since 2007.

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[quote=Meks;848920]lol... our receivers weren't open very often.. nor did the line even allow him to SEE the head lights... dunno what "tape" ur watching.... but id take Campbell over Grossman 10 outta 10 times honestly[/quote]

You're right. The recievers weren't open that often (RandelEl) but when they were, Campbell was just not there. But I would certainly take Campbell over Grossman, but I don't regret him being gone.