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Yep, we disagree. That's crazy talk.

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So jamf do you judge every player fair? If you ask me for what we gave up for Chase or Allen they have both been underachieving.. we used 2nd overall pick for chase and got a 3rd in return .. Allen is part of the gigantic failure of the D and I think he gets traded .. so you think EB did a good job ? I think he was bad as our play caller ..just wondering how you rate the other players on this team ..

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=jamf;1356155]We disagree.
I think Sam was the worst QB in the league that started the full season and the line isn’t as bad as he makes them look.

I guess we will have to wait till week 1.
I predict he will be on someone practice squad. His first and last NFL starts will be against the cowboys.[/QUOTE]


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[quote=jamf;1356155]We disagree.
I think Sam was the worst QB in the league that started the full season and the line isn’t as bad as he makes them look.

I guess we will have to wait till week 1.
I predict he will be on someone practice squad. His first and last NFL starts will be against the cowboys.[/quote]


The puzzling thing about Howell is he played exceptionally well during the first half of the season.....then he fell into bad habits and never grew afterwards......this is all on Eric Bieniemy.....Bienemy had Howell passing too much without pounding the rock to take pressure off of Howell.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1356163]The puzzling thing about Howell is he played exceptionally well during the first half of the season.....then he fell into bad habits and never grew afterwards......this is all on Eric Bieniemy.....Bienemy had Howell passing too much without pounding the rock to take pressure off of Howell.[/quote]

The puzzling thing is people still discussing a 5th round QB that our outgoing HC/GM, decided to make QB1. Who the eff cares about how he played. He's just another bad decision/mistake that Ron made this season.

He'll be a backup next year, and if we're lucky, he won't take any meaningful snaps during the season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1356392]The puzzling thing is people still discussing a 5th round QB that our outgoing HC/GM, decided to make QB1. Who the eff cares about how he played. He's just another bad decision/mistake that Ron made this season.

He'll be a backup next year, and if we're lucky, he won't take any meaningful snaps during the season.[/quote]

If we were lucky, we would have had a competent OC and o line and Sam would have been head and shoulders above where he finished. Who cares what round he was drafted in that thought process is chalked.

This franchise has never been lucky lol don't count on it now.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1356163]The puzzling thing about Howell is he played exceptionally well during the first half of the season.....then he fell into bad habits and never grew afterwards......this is all on Eric Bieniemy.....Bienemy had Howell passing too much without pounding the rock to take pressure off of Howell.[/quote]

Do you think maybe as film is built on Sam that teams then start attacking his weakness ? Seems reasonable

EB sucks balls

SH is a back up

The season provide it , time to move on

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You know who will be /are backups?

Bryce Young
Zach Wilson
Trey Lance
Mac Jones
Kenny Pickett
Daniel Jones
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen (not in nfl)

With someone like kyler Murray kind of skating by...

Those precious first rounder over the last like 4-5 drafts and plenty in top 5.

Sam has shown more this year under the shittiest conditions than that entire list.

Enough with the 5th round there could be a list of qbs who outperform the 4th-7th rd draft status as well.

No patience for this fan base. Dan rubbed off too hard on a lot of folks. Can't blame the lack of patience through all the misery and suffering but being less short sighted can be a positive thing in some cases.

Heres to progress, the offseason and no more Dan!

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[quote=Meks;1356394]If we were lucky, we would have had a competent OC and o line and Sam would have been head and shoulders above where he finished. Who cares what round he was drafted in that thought process is chalked.

This franchise has never been lucky lol don't count on it now.[/quote]

We are lucky that we finally have a full-on rebuilt, with hopefully a competent owner, that will not meddle the way that Snyder did.

The only good thing about this season, is that ownership can move on from this regime and we have the #2 pick.

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[quote=mredskins;1356399]Do you think maybe as film is built on Sam that teams then start attacking his weakness ? Seems reasonable

EB sucks balls

SH is a back up

The season provide it , time to move on[/quote]

Allmost all qbs making their 2nd nfl start the first game of the season are going to have weaknesses and need to learn and grow as a player. They don't come out of the package perfect lol .. the potential is great, but we can't snap our fingers and have a perfect qb.

No one has patience 🤷

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[quote=Ruhskins;1356403]We are lucky that we finally have a full-on rebuilt, with hopefully a competent owner, that will not meddle the way that Snyder did.

The only good thing about this season, is that ownership can move on from this regime and we have the #2 pick.[/quote]

Can't wait for it to be torn down.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Meks I give you credit for being committed to him.
Statistically, Sam finished as the worst QB to start a full season.
Brissett lead the NFL in passer rating.

Seasons over, I’m thankful for Sam delivering us the 2nd overall pick. We couldn’t have done that with Brissett.

I suspect Denver will pick up Howell after we cut him so they too can tank for a QB.

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Lol hey just call it as I feel that's all. Just happy the dumpster fire embers are getting the bucket of water asap.

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we're not cutting howell, he's cheap and better than anyone else we could get for the price.

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[quote=That Guy;1356416]we're not cutting howell, he's cheap and better than anyone else we could get for the price.[/quote]

No way.
Sam is the ex. You don’t keep them around.
Ex thought to be franchise QB
Ex team captain

You don’t bring in a rookie QB and leave the ex just sitting there hoping to get another shot.
If they draft a QB #2, they will have a veteran QB as backup.

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[quote=That Guy;1356416]we're not cutting howell, he's cheap and better than anyone else we could get for the price.[/quote]


With that said the new GM won't look past Howell's struggles and may bring in veteran QB competition for the back up QB role.......Sam Howell hasn't earned the back up QB spot either .

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Howell is still good friends with Drake Maye, so if he is the pick then makes great sense to keep Sam around to ease his transition to the NFL

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a vet qb would be about a 5m/year difference. Even if he's the #3, he's essentially free. People are being weird about this for no reason.

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[quote=That Guy;1356450]a vet qb would be about a 5m/year difference. Even if he's the #3, he's essentially free. People are being weird about this for no reason.[/quote]

Agree. Howell has shown enough that the new regime would at least view him as a developmental piece. His floor is a solid no. 2…that has significant value where most starting QB miss time during the season in today’s NFL.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1356435]Howell is still good friends with Drake Maye, so if he is the pick then makes great sense to keep Sam around to ease his transition to the NFL[/QUOTE]


Maybe but it is also awkward like hey bud welcome to the team…here is my job. Also Sam isn’t exactly a seasoned vet who understands what it takes to have a career in the NFL. All I know is they need to take one of the big 3 quarterbacks with the second pick.

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Can he go on the PS or not? Would he have to be waived first? Matter of opinion I know, but he's solid #2 material and if he loses out to a vet that's injury prone, keeping him in house makes sense.

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[quote=That Guy;1356450]a vet qb would be about a 5m/year difference. Even if he's the #3, he's essentially free. [B]People are being weird about this for no reason.[/B][/quote]

Agreed. Sam's going nowhere...

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I'd love to keep Brissett and Sam and a new top draft pick but that's unrealistic. New staff will have to decide to keep Sam or JB - can't have all that cap money invested in 2 backups. We def. need a vet presence for a new rookie qb if we're going that route, and I don't think Sam is that guy yet.

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There may be a team that sees SH as redeemable, a guy with great tools who spent his first real NFL season working in a burning dumpster. If being a starter is the path SH wants to be on, let him go. I’d be more comfortable with a Brissett-Maye combo than SH-Maye (or fill in your vet-#2 pick combo)


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JB will be looking for a starting gig. Doubt he takes a new contract to stay as #2. That likely means #2 pick (Maye?), SH and a yet to be signed veteran in teh QB room for training camp. They're unlikely to trade SH without at least equivalent options in place, which is why I suggested he could go on the PS.

The Sam Howell Thread
 

Hard pass on Penix. I don’t like lefties.

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Penix just played his way out of the first round .. pass

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I didn’t like him in the first before the game. Now I would not like him at all.

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One game isn’t going to decide his fate.

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Michigan's defense has been great all season. That's why they went 15-0. Definitely can't knock Penix for not looking great against the best team in the country.

I didn't watch the game, as I no longer care about college football unless its FSU, but it sounds like he was pretty beat up. I just can't get around his likeliness to get hurt, to go with him in the Top 5. But if he stays healthy, he could be the best of the bunch. It's a normal failure risk rate + a higher injury possibility rate, that makes it a no for me in the Top 5.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1356739]Michigan's defense has been great all season. That's why they went 15-0. Definitely can't knock Penix for not looking great against the best team in the country.
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Yes you can. You want to see how these guys perform when they’re under pressure, when the stakes are high. Even when Penix had a clean pocket he was missing guys by a mile. Not saying he can’t develop into a good QB or have a bad game, just that plenty of guys flash in college but have trouble when the competition is upped a level. Michigan was a good test for that and he got a C.


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He had a lot more good games than bad. Michigan wasn't the only good team he played. The injury history is concerning, but some team will draft him in the 1st...probably top 20.

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[quote=HTTR;1356751]Yes you can. You want to see how these guys perform when they’re under pressure, when the stakes are high. Even when Penix had a clean pocket he was missing guys by a mile. Not saying he can’t develop into a good QB or have a bad game, just that plenty of guys flash in college but have trouble when the competition is upped a level. Michigan was a good test for that and he got a C.

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Penix has done more than 'flashed'. He's been real good over 2+ seasons. I think he's likely moot for us anyways; his injury ledger is too risky for Top 5. But he can play and seems like a great guy, I hope he's successful.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1356756]Penix has done more than 'flashed'. He's been real good over 2+ seasons. I think he's likely moot for us anyways; his injury ledger is too risky for Top 5. But he can play and seems like a great guy, I hope he's successful.[/quote]



I heard he's older than most QB prospects and he's had injury too.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1356756]Penix has done more than 'flashed'. He's been real good over 2+ seasons. I think he's likely moot for us anyways; his injury ledger is too risky for Top 5. But he can play and seems like a great guy, I hope he's successful.[/quote]



I heard he's older than most QB prospects and he's had injuries too.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1356756]Penix has done more than 'flashed'. He's been real good over 2+ seasons. I think he's likely moot for us anyways; his injury ledger is too risky for Top 5. But he can play and seems like a great guy, I hope he's successful.[/QUOTE]


I agree, wrong word choice in his case. Trying to make a general point about elite college players who show signs of being 1st or 2nd rounders, but who have trouble once the level of competition is raised. You want to see these guys go against the best to see how they handle it physically and mentally. In any event, it’s a better test than the combine


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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1356761]I heard he's older than most QB prospects and he's had injuries too.[/QUOTE]


He is 23 and will be 24 when the season starts. He was injured like three different years at IU. He has an incredible wr corp at Washington. I would pass but ill put my faith in Peters and Co. to make that decision.

As far as the championship game, Im not going to shy away from the guy because of one bad performance. He looked pretty good against Texas.

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I think we underestimate the advantage that older, and as such more mature and experienced players, have when playing in college against relatively much younger guys, especially at a key position like QB, and how good that makes them look in comparison. That advantage obviously disappears when entering the NFL.

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[quote=HTTR;1356751]Yes you can. You want to see how these guys perform when they’re under pressure, when the stakes are high. Even when Penix had a clean pocket he was missing guys by a mile. Not saying he can’t develop into a good QB or have a bad game, just that plenty of guys flash in college but have trouble when the competition is upped a level. Michigan was a good test for that and he got a C.


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Exactly. If Penix thinks Michigan's defense is tough, wait till he sees a NFL defense. The sorriest NFL defense is still 10 times better than Michigan's defense.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1357035]Exactly. If Penix thinks Michigan's defense is tough, wait till he sees a NFL defense. The sorriest NFL defense is still 10 times better than Michigan's defense.[/QUOTE]


If anyone takes him in the first it’s a reach, the hype was crazy but his overall career was very avg


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