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[quote=Hog1;885077]GREAT find!
Nice to have the opinion of an actual player with HOF skills, rather than the endless...blather of blowhard player wannabe's....gone sportscaster and armchair quarterbacks.

“Well first of all, no one is doubting my love affair with Mike Shanahan,” Young said. “I mean, the two of us, for three of four years, the guy was unbelievable. He can call plays like no one I’ve ever seen. He was just amazing in my professional career. So first of all, when you talk about quarterbacks and who could really do something with Peyton Manning, in my mind it’s Mike Shanahan....It’s one of those places where it seems like it’s all in place.”
Then Thom Loverro speculated that Shanahan’s quarterback guru reputation has taken a hit in recent seasons.
“Let me just tell you this: Mike is a phenomenal playcaller, but he wants a quarterback that will protect his incredible ability to call plays,” Young said. “In other words, I’m gonna call a series of plays, I’m gonna put combinations together that are a little bit outlandish, but you need to protect me. Most playcallers have to go the other way — I’ve got to call plays because my quarterback’s not gonna protect me and I’m gonna protect him. That relationship is vital.[/quote]

Wow...that quote especially is perceptive. Always thought young was one of the brighter QBs to play and game, no surprise he saw things much the same way as MS and they had great coach/player chemistry.

Play-calling wasn't necessarily inspiring in Denver though, before or after Elway. What I remember most are the nasty defenses under Philips and elite players like SS, TD and Elway consistently making game-changing plays.

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Seems like a lot of players are coming out of the woodwork about Manning to the Redskins. Schlereth was preaching it on Mike & Mike this morning.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36229/mike-mike-on-manning-to-redskins]Mike & Mike on Manning-to-Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;884955]Injuries forced him to retire.[/quote]

Thats what I thought. He definitly was not cut.

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He's right....

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Hog1;885077]GREAT find!
Nice to have the opinion of an actual player with HOF skills, rather than the endless...blather of blowhard player wannabe's....gone sportscaster and armchair quarterbacks.

“Well first of all, no one is doubting my love affair with Mike Shanahan,” Young said. “I mean, the two of us, for three of four years, the guy was unbelievable. He can call plays like no one I’ve ever seen. He was just amazing in my professional career. So first of all, when you talk about quarterbacks and who could really do something with Peyton Manning, in my mind it’s Mike Shanahan....It’s one of those places where it seems like it’s all in place.”
Then Thom Loverro speculated that Shanahan’s quarterback guru reputation has taken a hit in recent seasons.
“Let me just tell you this: Mike is a phenomenal playcaller, but he wants a quarterback that will protect his incredible ability to call plays,” Young said. “In other words, I’m gonna call a series of plays, I’m gonna put combinations together that are a little bit outlandish, but you need to protect me. Most playcallers have to go the other way — I’ve got to call plays because my quarterback’s not gonna protect me and I’m gonna protect him. That relationship is vital.[/quote]

If you go to the bottom of the article it gives you Chris Mortenson's opinion as well as some others. Steve to me is the most valueable as you are talking about a HOF who has worked with MS and knows PM. It can give him some insight as to why the relationship would work.

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[quote=biffle;885068]
The problem with arguing this is that it feels like debating arguments built around conflicting points:
A) that we should sign Manning because of the surety of how it will improve us. while at the same time dismissing the cap space argument because there's nothing you can do on the FA market that can really help the team.
B) that we shouldn't draft a QB because the odds are so against finding a star in the draft, while at the same time acting as if whatever else we would do with the draft picks is a sure bet to succeed.


Anyway, I probably won't be around the board much the next few days, so thanks for the convo guys.[/quote]


Um... I think the biggest problem I'm seeing is the "PM no way" crowd seem to think PM is going to cost like $30 mill of our $40-45 mill. He won't.

The other thing to think about is this team is not going out and picking up all the FA's and PM is going to command so much money that we won't be able to do that. I see the Skins maybe getting 1 FA QB no matter who it is or what they plan to do in the draft. So out of all the FA QB's whom would you rather have? Personally I'd rather have Flynn. Others would like to see Orton.
-Flynn is capable of starting, challenging the Rookie that is drafted and allows the team to play the best QB with a quality back up.
-Orton I see as slight step better then Grossman. Someone who should be a healthy back up to the Rookie.
-PM if healthy starts and makes the Rookie develope under him. I'm not sure he will be ready to start in Sept., maybe mid season, but this allows the team to possibly start your Rookie which I'd expect everyone to want.

The only concern I would worry about if I was against PM would be will he be healthy and take time away from said Rookie drafted? For those of you who don't think he will ever be healthy enough to play.... you all should be the ones argueing for PM cause this ensures your Rookie starts.

This team will have a Vet on it. Whether it's Grossman, Beck, Orton, or PM. Flynn might be out even though I'd like to see them get him only because he's some what young and definitly healthy and played well against a stout defense (Lions). So pick you poison.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;885076]I see it two ways.

[U][B]Offseason Plan with Peyton:[/B][/U]
Sign Peyton
Sign Reggie Wayne
Trade Down and pickup a Stanford lineman in the first (G - David DeCastro or OT Jonathan Martin)
Pick the best second tier QB in the 2nd (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler)
BPA with the other Second Round pick with a slight favor towards the offensive side of the ball. Or Better yet try to trade down again for a 3rd and fourth.

[B][U]Offseason Plan with RGIII[/U][/B]
Sign Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, or Marques Colston
[B]Trade 2012 and 2013 First for RGIII[/B]
Use Second Round pick on Offensive Lineman
Use third round pick on BPA preferably offense

Granted this is kind of more what I would do but it gives you an idea of what our options are under both scenarios.[/quote]

I personally also think your being rather generous with what it will cost to get RGIII. As if it won't cost 2-first round picks and possibly more like a 2nd this year and a 3rd next. Good luck picking up your OL in the 2nd round this year if you don't have one.

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[quote=SBXVII;884954]Not to take anything away from your wonderfully funny post but I don't recall the Skins "cutting" him. I recall him wanting to retire and Gibbs talked him into coming to the Skins. After he won the SB I was pretty sure he retired. In other words went out on a good note.[/quote]

Yeah I wasn't sure if it was that he retired or was cut either.

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[quote=SBXVII;885114]I personally also think your being rather generous with what it will cost to get RGIII. As if it won't cost 2-first round picks and possibly more like a 2nd this year and a 3rd next. Good luck picking up your OL in the 2nd round this year if you don't have one.[/quote]

According to McShay and Kiper the price of the 2nd overall pick is likely to come down a bit after free agency when the Manning and Flynn sweepstakes end. And not only does St. Louis have to consider how far they'll be willing to drop but they'll also have to accept that Minnesota might be more flexible on price.

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[quote=Higskin;885092]Seems like a lot of players are coming out of the woodwork about Manning to the Redskins. Schlereth was preaching it on Mike & Mike this morning.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36229/mike-mike-on-manning-to-redskins]Mike & Mike on Manning-to-Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I told the same thing to my Dad that the notion that Peyton doesn't want to face Eli twice a year is insane. If anything it's a huge plus for Peyton given how he's competitive to the point of insanity.

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[B][U]Offseason Plan with Peyton Manning:[/U][/B]

o call Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez

o target NT/DE Paul Soliai

o try and trade out of the 6th pick and target BPA OL (e.g. Martin, Decastro)

o keep adding BPA talent with the specific focus of upgrading OL and a starting caliber Safety

o draft a [I][B]developmental[/B][/I] QB with the second 4th round pick or later (maybe one of the QBs rated highly on their board falls? or take a flier on a Russell Wilson in the 5th)

o sign a developmental/journeyman [I][B]FA[/B][/I] QB

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=GTripp0012;885089]Why Marques Colston with Peyton, but Vincent Jackson with RG3? Just variety? Or something more design-oriented?[/quote]

I was thinking money-wise Colston would be cheaper than VJax, and well I am sure Manning would cost some money. With RG3, I would see VJax as the #1 FA acquisition and we would probably have a bit more money to spend on him.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;885111][B]If you go to the bottom of the article it gives you Chris Mortenson's opinion as well [/B]as some others. Steve to me is the most valueable as you are talking about a HOF who has worked with MS and knows PM. It can give him some insight as to why the relationship would work.[/quote]
That was great stuff!

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Ruhskins;885138]I was thinking money-wise Colston would be cheaper than VJax, and well I am sure Manning would cost some money. With RG3, I would see VJax as the #1 FA acquisition and we would probably have a bit more money to spend on him.[/quote]

Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.

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[quote=Lotus;885140]Personally I'd prefer Colston anyway. He doesn't have the off-field troubles of VJax nor is he a head case like Bowe.[/quote]

There you go!