Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;803447]Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. [B]This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has[/B]. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)[/quote]

Rookie of the Year

Two Pro Bowls

30-17 career record as a starter

.....yeah, he sucks!!!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Jason Reid said on SC that Beck is the guy no matter who is in camp.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;803648]Jason Reid said on SC that Beck is the guy no matter who is in camp.[/quote]

Well he's the only guy who is signed but he's definitely not locked in as the starter for the season

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=smootsmack;803650]well he's the only guy who is signed but he's definitely not locked in as the starter for the season[/quote]


v i n c e

y o u n g !!!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6560306]Can John Beck Lead The Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

Schefter is buddies with Shanny so this is pretty strong statement here about Beck.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;803663]v i n c e

y o u n g !!![/quote]

2 or 3 months at most to learn the offense. I feel like the best scenario for Young is bring him in for a two year contract. Tell him to expect to wait a year but also leave open the possibility of him starting by mid-season, especially if Grossman and/or Beck can't outperform 2010 McNabb which sadly isn't much of a challenge.

One thing though I can't believe that people are overlooking is how improved the defense is going to be. We have a Free Saftey, a Pass Rusher opposite Orakpo, and a big body at defense end to prevent teams from simply running away from Carriker. Bryant and Neild might not be the worlds greatest situation at Nose Tackle but it's hard to deny how much the defense improved when Bryant was inserted into the lineup during the last 3 or 4 weeks of the season.

Then you factor in the possible free agent signings of Franklin and Cullen Jenkins and the skies the limit for this defense. Also possible that they'll sign Nnadmi but after years in Oakland I think he simply wants to go to an established competitor.....with money.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;803693][url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6560306]Can John Beck Lead The Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

Schefter is buddies with Shanny so this is pretty strong statement here about Beck.[/quote]

Beck has not had the opportunity to learn many bad habits as an NFL QB. Maybe Shanahan can do for John Beck what he did for Jake Plummer. Plummer's winning percentage improved greatly his second year in Denver.

Shanahan/McNabb was a case of not being able to teach an old dog new tricks.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I get disgusted looking at our last decade of stats

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;803693][url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6560306]Can John Beck Lead The Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

Schefter is buddies with Shanny so this is pretty strong statement here about Beck.[/quote]

I don't know that it's a strong statement, really. McNabb is basically out the door and technically Rex Grossman isn't on the team. I mean he is, but once the lockout is lifted he's a free agent. Though I fully expect he'll return. By process of elimination, Beck is atop the depth chart right now.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;803644]Rookie of the Year

Two Pro Bowls

30-17 career record as a starter

.....yeah, he sucks!!![/quote]

You are using the "Pro-bowl" as your proof he's good?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=0011&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Player Position[/url]

I challenge you to look through the years starting with 2006 and see where he ranks (in AFC alone) in terms of QB. He's not even remotely close to the other QBs. Hell, Garrard is a better QB than Young. The only way he got into the Pro-Bowl is if Brady, Rivers, Manning, Palmer, Garrard, etc decline the Pro-bowl invite. As far as that record goes, sure that had nothing to do with a top notch defense and a guy who rushes for 2,000 yards. Nope. Fischer nor Chow wanted to draft Young at the time. You can thank Bud Adams for that fiasco.

Also, that Rookie of the Year crap was a sham.


51.5 completion %, 12 TDs, 13 Ints, 2199 yards, 66.7 QB rating

....compared to this rookies numbers

941 yards rushing, 5.7 avg, 15 TDs, 46 receptions, 436 yards receiving


Now who do you think deserved Rookie of the Year? I"m going with Maurice Jones Drew. Stop buying the smoke they are blowing up your ass. It's all hype.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;803698]I don't know that it's a strong statement, really. McNabb is basically out the door and technically Rex Grossman isn't on the team. I mean he is, but once the lockout is lifted he's a free agent. Though I fully expect he'll return. By process of elimination, Beck is atop the depth chart right now.[/quote]

SS what turns u off of Johnny B? Other than he hasnt done much more than us in the NFL?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;803701]SS what turns u off of Johnny B? Other than he hasnt done much more than us in the NFL?[/quote]

Well, from what I've seen of him the past four years he strikes me as someone who totally knows what he should do but has difficulty executing it. When I watch him play, I sense the game is moving just a bit too fast for him.

If he was 26-27 years old I have a bit more patience with him, not sure i can at 30 years old.

Like I said, if he's our guy I fully hope I'm wrong and that he dominates but I don't believe he'll be anything more then average.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;803697]I get disgusted looking at our last decade of stats[/quote]

Its enough to make you vomit alright.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;803703]Well, from what I've seen of him the past four years he strikes me as someone who totally knows what he should do but has difficulty executing it. When I watch him play, I sense the game is moving just a bit too fast for him.

If he was 26-27 years old I have a bit more patience with him, not sure i can at 30 years old.

Like I said, if he's our guy I fully hope I'm wrong and that he dominates but I don't believe he'll be anything more then average.[/quote]

This is all the evidence I need. You hate old people and Mormons. Congrads Smoot, you've finally been caught red handed for the hate mongering meanie, errr bigot, that you are!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;803699]You are using the "Pro-bowl" as your proof he's good?[/quote]

Not that I'm agreeing necessarily with you anti-VY stance, but I do agree that Redskin fans especially should see how much of a crock the Pro Bowl can be.

Anyway at the very least he does win games, even if they're mostly against cup cakes, and he does have the physical tools. I think with us the perfect situation right now is a two year contract where he learns for most of year 1, and if things go to hell again get a Grossman like tryout near the end.