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[quote=rocnrik;1354781]Jamf .. I hear you but I'm not sure we have had the coaches to get the best out of ANY of our players .. I find it hard to believe our talent is as bad as the team looks ... to me it starts at the top .. What scares me most about our top pick is look at San Fran ( no dispute they are a well run organization.. yet they whiffed on Trey Lance .. if we whiff on another top 5 pick then it sets us back years .. there will be 2 QBs picked before us .. so we are looking at a reach at pick 4 instead of picking a sure fire lock in Harrison Jr or top Left tackle .. the VERY BEST talent evaluators are not very successful with this QB thing .. it's because outside the obvious top guy the rest are reaches .. if we pass on Harrison Jr and pick Daniels out of LSU and he fails then what then .. that's why everyone was hoping Sam could be the guy .. doesn't look like he will but no guarantees our top pick if QB will be ANY better .. I would be all in on trading our Number one pick to a team for a known QB ( Herbert for sure) .. he is who we should have taken anyway. But Chargers would never do that .. would they ??[/quote]

I agree in general.
We need a GM that isn’t going to whiff on a pick. Can’t win without great drafts. We need a coaching staff that will get the best out of players.

We are scared we will miss on a top 5 pick but casually expect the GM to draft starters in the later rounds. It’s much easier to get a great player in the top 5 than it is getting a respectable starter in the 4th round.

Veteran QB contracts are around 15-23% of the salary cap. I’m not a fan of this unless we have a solid team already.

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[quote=jamf;1354794]I agree in general.
We need a GM that isn’t going to whiff on a pick. Can’t win without great drafts. We need a coaching staff that will get the best out of players.

We are scared we will miss on a top 5 pick but casually expect the GM to draft starters in the later rounds. It’s much easier to get a great player in the top 5 than it is getting a respectable starter in the 4th round.

[B]Veteran QB contracts are around 15-23% of the salary cap. I’m not a fan of this unless we have a solid team already.[/quote]
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I agree. There's a reason a team is letting that vet walk away. IMO a vet is a high priced low payoff option. The best thing this team can do is keep drafting a QB until they finally hit on one. Drafting players is tricky and that's why you want as many picks as you can get.

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The problem with QB position is it's such a need that the players are drafted way before there Value ..Daniels may get drafted top 4 yet his value is around 30th pick .. that's the same as Forbes .. we could have got him in second round .. it was a huge reach
! I have NO issue with getting a QB I just wish we got THE GUY( even trading up ) but I'm not sure with our luck we gonna get that picking the 3rd QB ..I'm for picking the best player there and take a QB later on .. I got a bad feeling about Daniels at 4th pick ( if we even have that pick)

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Don’t forget to vote for Sam!
[url]https://www.nfl.com/pro-bowl-games/vote/[/url]

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[quote=jamf;1354860]Don’t forget to vote for Sam!
[url]https://www.nfl.com/pro-bowl-games/vote/[/url][/quote]

I think ownership is looking past Sam Howell.

But I don't think he did enough to get to the pro bowl
Too many picks

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1354871]I think ownership is looking past Sam Howell.

But I don't think he did enough to get to the pro bowl
Too many picks[/quote]

I’m just being a dick. My hatred for him is well documented.

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[quote=jamf;1354877]I’m just being a dick. My hatred for him is well documented.[/quote]

Get more value for your hatred. Take it to the Presidential level. Save it for Biden or Trump or [U]both[/U] of them. Hating two Presidents for the price of one is a hate currency bargain. I passionately hate both of them so much, equally and simultaneously, that my hatred for them tires me out by Sunday and allows me to be mellow about a mere football player. Try it and enjoy the games!

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Sam sucks right now. He has no confidence, no anticipation, he looks like a broken QB. Put him on the bench please.

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Rivera’s parting gift is exposing how undeveloped Howell is compared to Brissett geez.


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2nd pick caused by Samuel's slipping. Sam is shell shocked but who would not be with the amount of sacks and hits he has taken. Rivera can stick it where the sun don't shine. We may need to trade up to get one of the top 2 QB's. Let's hope for the Cardinals and Patriots to win

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We would have been in playoffs if Brissett started season

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[quote=mredskins;1355136]We would have been in playoffs if Brissett started season[/quote]

Heck, I was wondering the same thing. It may have been a possibility.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1355137]Heck, I was wondering the same thing. It may have been a possibility.[/quote]

EB is kicking himself

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Idk if we would be in the playoffs but they would definitely have a couple more wins


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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1354839]The problem with QB position is it's such a need that the players are drafted way before there Value ..Daniels may get drafted top 4 yet his value is around 30th pick .. that's the same as Forbes .. we could have got him in second round .. it was a huge reach

! I have NO issue with getting a QB I just wish we got THE GUY( even trading up ) but I'm not sure with our luck we gonna get that picking the 3rd QB ..I'm for picking the best player there and take a QB later on .. I got a bad feeling about Daniels at 4th pick ( if we even have that pick)[/QUOTE]Our "luck" has always been affected by a meddlesome owner. This will be the first time since probably Gibbs 2.0 where a GM will be able to draft a QB on their own.

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Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=mredskins;1355136]We would have been in playoffs if Brissett started season[/QUOTE]


Brissett wasn’t going to fix our defense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1354777]If Sam was a first round rookie I wonder how the conversation would be going? We would not be ready to give up on him. Yet because Sam is short by NFL standards, and he's a 5th rounder, everyone has mostly mailed it in.[/quote]

Josh Rosen was a rookie and they moved on from him after 1 year as they should have

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[quote=punch it in;1355193]Brissett wasn’t going to fix our defense.[/quote]

Fix? No, but the way he's playing a lot of drives would have ended in more scored than have

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1355136]We would have been in playoffs if Brissett started season[/QUOTE]Fans would have crucified Ron for doing this.

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[quote=punch it in;1355193]Brissett wasn’t going to fix our defense.[/quote]

Exactly

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355202]Fix? No, but the way he's playing a lot of drives would have ended in more scored than have[/QUOTE]


Probably and we would have lost 45-28 instead of 45-10.

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[quote=mredskins;1355136]We would have been in playoffs if Brissett started season[/quote]

What would have been different in the first 10 games (Where Howell was actually good????)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355142]Idk if we would be in the playoffs but they would definitely have a couple more wins


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How so? You replace good QB play with good QB play in the first 10 games. We would have probably won 2 of our last four, but don't see any change in the first 10.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1355213]How so? You replace good QB play with good QB play in the first 10 games. We would have probably won 2 of our last four, but don't see any change in the first 10.[/QUOTE]


I think Okie said the same thing u did. Lol

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[quote=nonniey;1355213]How so? You replace good QB play with good QB play in the first 10 games. We would have probably won 2 of our last four, but don't see any change in the first 10.[/quote]

So you're saying we don't beat the Giants with better QB play?

Could have beaten the Rams also and definitely yesterday, I can clock 3 more potential wins

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I'm a Maye fan ... also Daniels would be a good pick at around 10-15 spot .. I don't care for Williams .. I would rather fix the Oline and roll with Jacoby than trade up and take Williams .. but it's all a crap shoot

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355215]So you're saying we don't beat the Giants with better QB play?

Could have beaten the Rams also and definitely yesterday, I can clock 3 more potential wins[/QUOTE]


Which would have set us back. Teams aren’t preparing for JB. He is not the long term answer. 3 more wins gets us a top 15 pick.

The failure of this season is on Ron and his inability to prepare for games, and the Defense. If our defense was just half decent for the first 11 games maybe things would have been different.

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What is long term ? If Brissett was given fair competition in camp he would have been starter .. He was way more prepared and was under a One year deal .. it would have made so much sense to let him start and see what would have happened.. Sam is allready on the team and if JB struggled THEN go to Sam .. it was ass backwards the way Ron did it .. Sam got the job because of one game against Cowboys ..now we have a chance to keep JB and draft a rookie let the kid learn how the NFL works .. if they throw any of the Rookies out there with this supporting cast it will fail ... I sure hope the next coach can see this .

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1355214]I think Okie said the same thing u did. Lol[/QUOTE]


I did haha


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[quote=rocnrik;1355218]What is long term ? If Brissett was given fair competition in camp he would have been starter .. He was way more prepared and was under a One year deal .. it would have made so much sense to let him start and see what would have happened.. Sam is allready on the team and if JB struggled THEN go to Sam .. it was ass backwards the way Ron did it .. Sam got the job because of one game against Cowboys ..now we have a chance to keep JB and draft a rookie let the kid learn how the NFL works .. if they throw any of the Rookies out there with this supporting cast it will fail ... I sure hope the next coach can see this .[/quote]

Ron went with Sam to try and save his job.

Had the year gone well and Sam flourished Ron could claim it was his staff that drafted and developed him, and then argue that ownership should keep that connection intact.

The wheels fell off with Sam and Ron’s chances of returning collapsed with it.

At this point it doesn’t matter who plays so Ron is trying to save his overall record from dropping below .500

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[quote=punch it in;1355217]Which would have set us back. Teams aren’t preparing for JB. He is not the long term answer. 3 more wins gets us a top 15 pick.

The failure of this season is on Ron and his inability to prepare for games, and the Defense. If our defense was just half decent for the first 11 games maybe things would have been different.[/quote]

i never said he was the answer, I am pointing out that with him we'd be fighting for a WC spot, and probably getting it

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355222]i never said he was the answer, I am pointing out that with him we'd be fighting for a WC spot, and probably getting it[/quote]

The team is a dumpster fire, that's not on Howell, the only thing they'd ever be fighting for this year is a top 5 pick.

Better luck next year.

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[QUOTE=sevier2;1355221]Ron went with Sam to try and save his job.

Had the year gone well and Sam flourished Ron could claim it was his staff that drafted and developed him, and then argue that ownership should keep that connection intact.

The wheels fell off with Sam and Ron’s chances of returning collapsed with it.

At this point it doesn’t matter who plays so Ron is trying to save his overall record from dropping below .500[/QUOTE]


It don’t matter who starts v SF and Dallas. We ain’t beating either one of them. Dallas could beat us with their backup QB.


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Miss Heinicke, yet?

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[quote=ODUsmitty;1355250]Miss Heinicke, yet?[/quote]

Nope

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[QUOTE=ODUsmitty;1355250]Miss Heinicke, yet?[/QUOTE]


No because he would have won us 6 games and had the 12th pick or whatever again..

I’m fine with 4-13


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355262]No because he would have won us 6 games and had the 12th pick or whatever again..

I’m fine with 4-13


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Preach.

Howell might not be the answer but Brissett and Heinicke aren't either. This defense has been ass the entire year.

Some of you guys are acting like we're a qb away from contending. We're not. We're a qb, an offensive line and an entire defense.

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[quote=mooby;1355271]Preach.

Howell might not be the answer but Brissett and Heinicke aren't either. This defense has been ass the entire year.

Some of you guys are acting like we're a qb away from contending. We're not. We're a qb, an offensive line and an entire defense.[/quote]

Preach

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[QUOTE=mooby;1355271]Preach.

Howell might not be the answer but Brissett and Heinicke aren't either. This defense has been ass the entire year.

Some of you guys are acting like we're a qb away from contending. We're not. We're a qb, an offensive line and an entire defense.[/QUOTE]


Jacoby is a good QB but he’s been a journeyman for a reason. Similar to Tyrod and Fitz…

It’s time to draft that face of the franchise QB.


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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355222]i never said he was the answer, I am pointing out that with him we'd be fighting for a WC spot, and probably getting it[/QUOTE]


Maybe. Like I said in both games teams game planned for Sam.