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I don't think you'd get much argument that our RB room could be better. Everything's on the table; the team was BAAAAD last year.

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Difficult to be a productive RB room when you are last in the league in rush attempts per game.

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We are more than good at RB. Gibson has been used wrong since he's been here. You put Gibson in Kyle's offense and he'd have a lot more production.

We had an idiot at OC who doesn't know how to run the ball or use Gibson in space. EB was the worse OC I have seen since I have been a fan, which is a real long ass time.

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[quote=jamf;1359816]Unpopular opinion incoming...
Our running backs are mediocre at best.
The teams last RB with a 40+ yard run is Guice.

Robinson does a good job of getting hard yards but doesn't really make anyone miss or go for big gains.
I would sign one of the better backs to help the rookie QB out.[/quote]

Coming into last year I thought our talent was pretty poor at RB. B Rob is good but limited. He’s not explosive.

I’m for added a new guy for sure but we need one with big play ability. I’d peak at the draft before spending FA dollars. If the Oline, scheme was set but we just needed more talent at rb coming into this year…then yes FA would make more sense.

Either way the RB room was bottom 3rd of the league last year.

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Not a stretch at all to say our RB room is probably overrated. BR isn’t explosive and Gibson despite his talent just doesn’t seem to play up to what his perceived potential is, and then there’s the fumbles. I’d like to see more of Rodriguez.

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[quote=MTK;1359825]Not a stretch at all to say our RB room is probably overrated. BR isn’t explosive and Gibson despite his talent just doesn’t seem to play up to what his perceived potential is, and then there’s the fumbles. I’d like to see more of Rodriguez.[/quote]

BR had 4 fumbles last year too . . .

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[QUOTE=Darrell Green Fan;1359814]You make valid points. But he's clearly better than what they have now and this draft class is weak at a position that usually takes a year or 2 to develop. I don't know which other TEs are available but this seems like a risk worth taking.[/QUOTE]


I dont think this draft class is weak at TE. I also don’t think that a guy on the sidelines is better than one on the field.
He has really good hands when healthy but is absolutely terrible with YAC and a non blocker so what kind of wisdom is he imparting to any young tight end?

Like I said though it isn’t a big deal at all. If he can stay healthy for 10 games and shows some productivity getting first downs that is great.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1359819]Difficult to be a productivr RB room when you are last in the league in rush attempts per game.[/QUOTE]


And have a bottom 3 oline.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1359828]BR had 4 fumbles last year too . . .[/quote]

Yeah good point that was a surprise coming from him

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[quote=punch it in;1359829][B]I dont think this draft class is weak at TE.[/B] I also don’t think that a guy on the sidelines is better than one on the field.
He has really good hands when healthy but is absolutely terrible with YAC and a non blocker so what kind of wisdom is he imparting to any young tight end?

Like I said though it isn’t a big deal at all. If he can stay healthy for 10 games and shows some productivity getting first downs that is great.[/quote]

Neither do I, Punch. For those who want to see some very good TE talent in this class they should take a look at these players.

Brock Bowers - UGA
Ja'Tavion Sanders - Texas. Great talent. Big play machine. Comp: Shannon Sharpe
Theo Johnson - PSU.
Tanner McLachlen - AZ. Big. Catches everything. Good at yac.
Ben Sinnott - KSU. Great hands. Runs wild in the secondary. Comp: Chris Cooley.
Cade Stover - OSU. Truly does it all. Comp: Brian Mitchell because he plays so tough.
Jaheim Bell - More of an H-Back or FB in the NFL.

We could get a productive TE in this class if we want one.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1359834]Neither do I, Punch. For those who want to see some very good TE talent in this class they should take a look at these players.

Brock Bowers - UGA
Ja'Tavion Sanders - Texas. Great talent. Big play machine. Comp: Shannon Sharpe
Theo Johnson - PSU.
Tanner McLachlen - AZ. Big. Catches everything. Good at yac.
Ben Sinnott - KSU. Great hands. Runs wild in the secondary. Comp: Chris Cooley.
Cade Stover - OSU. Truly does it all. Comp: Brian Mitchell because he plays so tough.
Jaheim Bell - More of an H-Back or FB in the NFL.

We could get a productive TE in this class if we want one.[/quote]

That's seven TEs projected to go in the first 5 rounds. I wouldn't call that a deep or strong TE class.

The 10th Tight End is projected to be drafted in the 7th round.

For comparison, the 10th Tackle is projected to be drafted late in the 2nd round. That's a deep/strong class.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359835]That's seven TEs projected to go in the first 5 rounds. I wouldn't call that a deep or strong TE class.

The 10th Tight End is projected to be drafted in the 7th round.

For comparison, the 10th Tackle is projected to be drafted late in the 2nd round. That's a deep/strong class.[/quote]

in whole there are probably more in total number of OL men then total TE; so your observation is a bit skewed

basically OL is a bigger pool then TE to drink from

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A guy on the radio made a great point regarding drafting Bowers. If he is taken high he is slotted to earn what that spot in the draft pays, if he's high enough that's the same figure as the franchise tag for TEs. To put so much cap money into a rookie tight end will be costly and that could cause him to drop in the draft.

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[quote=mredskins;1359839]in whole there are probably more in total number of OL men then total TE; so your observation is a bit skewed

basically OL is a bigger pool then TE to drink from[/quote]

Well, it's not just an observation, it's a fact. Depending on where you look, there's maybe 12 total Tight Ends expected to be drafted at all. After Bowers, [I]maybe[/I] two more in the top 100. That doesn't exactly scream strong class to me. Last year nine Tight Ends went in the top 101.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359843]Well, it's not just an observation, it's a fact. Depending on where you look, there's maybe 12 total Tight Ends expected to be drafted at all. After Bowers, [I]maybe[/I] two more in the top 100. That doesn't exactly scream strong class to me. Last year nine Tight Ends went in the top 101.[/quote]

While I agree with you that TE is a weak position in this particular draft you are missing the point. In every draft there will be 3-5 times the number of OL drafted than tight ends. It's simple math that there will be far more OLs drafted in the top 100 than TEs.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1359844]While I agree with you that TE is a weak position in this particular draft you are missing the point. In every draft there will be 3-5 times the number of OL drafted than tight ends. It's simple math that there will be far more OLs drafted in the top 100 than TEs.[/quote]

I'm not missing the point. I understand there are always more Tackles drafted than Tight Ends. It's not apples to apples...I was simply making a comparison - this is a deep class for Tackles, and this is not a deep class for Tight Ends.

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What I hope we do right off the bat in the tampering period:

get a Center and a Mike LB . Get experienced guys who anchor both sides of the ball calling protections and calling defense plays

Next, let’s get a pass rusher

Let’s get these as priorities

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[quote=Chico23231;1359846]What I hope we do right off the bat in the tampering period:

get a Center and a Mike LB . Get experienced guys who anchor both sides of the ball calling protections and calling defense plays

Next, let’s get a pass rusher

Let’s get these as priorities[/quote]

Agreed, and I would add Tackle to that.

I was thinking Miami's Center, but I didn't realize he got hurt at the end of the season.

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As far as running backs, I have my eye on Jaylen Wright, Bucky Irving, and Trey Benson.

Wright and Irving should be there in the 3rd round

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I see the sense in signing Wagner. Solid vet presence at MLB (something we haven't had since Fletcher) and hopefully a mentor to a rookie MLB and the other young LB's.

[URL="https://riggosrag.com/posts/4-affordable-free-agents-commanders-this-offseason-2024"]https://riggosrag.com/posts/4-affordable-free-agents-commanders-this-offseason-2024[/URL]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359845]I'm not missing the point. I understand there are always more Tackles drafted than Tight Ends. It's not apples to apples...I was simply making a comparison - this is a deep class for Tackles, and this is not a deep class for Tight Ends.[/quote]

Again I agree that it's a deeper draft for OTs than TEs. But it is also a position that holds more value than a TE so that has to be factored in when evaluating draft position. And again there are more OTs in the draft than TEs so naturally there will be more taken in the top 100.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1359849]I see the sense in signing Wagner. Solid vet presence at MLB (something we haven't had since Fletcher) and hopefully a mentor to a rookie MLB and the other young LB's.

[URL="https://riggosrag.com/posts/4-affordable-free-agents-commanders-this-offseason-2024"]https://riggosrag.com/posts/4-affordable-free-agents-commanders-this-offseason-2024[/URL][/quote]

I have wanted this team to sign Bobby Wagner the minute he left Seattle.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359835]That's seven TEs projected to go in the first 5 rounds. I wouldn't call that a deep or strong TE class.

The 10th Tight End is projected to be drafted in the 7th round.

For comparison, the 10th Tackle is projected to be drafted late in the 2nd round. That's a deep/strong class.[/quote]

I was trying to make the point that the players I listed are players that I would take because they seem like players who are ready to play now. I should have said that the Commanders could probably have one of them [U]if[/U] they want one of them enough to draft him relatively high. If they don't want to draft one by the 5th round then the TE position must not be a priority.

As for the Tackle position, if you are are suggesting that we'd better draft one in the 2nd Round to be safe, I'd say that would be wise; however, some of those Top 10 tackles may bust. Also, the tackles projected to go from #11 on might all be dog doo which would mean that this wasn't a strong class for Tackles after all.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1359849]I see the sense in signing Wagner. Solid vet presence at MLB (something we haven't had since Fletcher) and hopefully a mentor to a rookie MLB and the other young LB's.

[URL="https://riggosrag.com/posts/4-affordable-free-agents-commanders-this-offseason-2024"]https://riggosrag.com/posts/4-affordable-free-agents-commanders-this-offseason-2024[/URL][/quote]



I stopped visiting that site because of the slideshow style presentation and all the clicks but I would sign Wagner. Yes!

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Dub

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359845]I'm not missing the point. I understand there are always more Tackles drafted than Tight Ends. It's not apples to apples...I was simply making a comparison - this is a deep class for Tackles, and this is not a deep class for Tight Ends.[/quote]

I understand OL was a poor example to use though , maybe CB or fullback


Anywho it’s march we are splitting hairs here waiting on draft and FA

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Yeah this is the most exciting offseason I can remember. I can't wait to see what grown ups do when they try to rebuild a team.

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[QUOTE=Darrell Green Fan;1359858]Yeah this is the most exciting offseason I can remember. I can't wait to see what grown ups do when they try to rebuild a team.[/QUOTE]Less than 24 hours to the legal tampering period. I'm pretty excited but also definitely afraid. Like my brother said, if this crew can't get it right then we may have no hope.

Other than number of wins my idea of getting it right is:
-focusing on building the lines early in FA

- Don't overspend but spend.

- And of course at draft time. the qb solution

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1359867]Less than 24 hours to the legal tampering period. I'm pretty excited but also definitely afraid. Like my brother said, if this crew can't get it right then we may have no hope.

Other than number of wins my idea of getting it right is:
-focusing on building the lines early in FA

- Don't overspend but spend.

- And of course at draft time. the qb solution

Sent from my SM-G781U using Tapatalk[/quote]

I expect us to go after: dorace armstrong, kenneth murray, and jonah jackson

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1359868]I expect us to go after: dorace armstrong, kenneth murray, and jonah jackson[/quote]

I do hope Armstrong is a target.

The Jonah I would rather them go after is Jonah Williams.

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/nfl-free-agency-washington-commanders-sign-baltimore-ravens-patrick-queen-rumors[/url]

Yes please.

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They are just speculating by joining dots, Washington has the most money so Queen will get paid by them. I think Seattle and NE are more likely to sign him. I have no more information than they do.

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CBS has Queen to Washington as well. I'm not sure that's a fit, he really only played really well once paired with Smith, he is a WIL and they already have one of those.

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Queens a beast of a player, I have faith in Quinn and Co that if we do get him? He'll be utilized well. This isn't the RR & JDR clown show anymore...

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@JFowlerESPN
Sources: The #Commanders plan to sign DE Dorance Armstrong.

A reunion with Dan Quinn.

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Heck of a signing for Peters and Quinn, here are his stats from last year: 20 solo, 7.5 sacks

And he's 26 years old.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1359907]Heck of a signing for Peters and Quinn, here are his stats from last year: 20 solo, 7.5 sacks

And he's 26 years old.[/quote]

16 sacks the last 2 seasons

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Sweet, good start

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[quote=Ruhskins;1359906]@JFowlerESPN
Sources: The #Commanders plan to sign DE Dorance Armstrong.

A reunion with Dan Quinn.[/quote]

Nice, steady guy who will contribute immediately.

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[quote=Chico23231;1359918]Nice, steady guy who will contribute immediately.[/quote]

He'll start for us and have 10+ sacks per season.