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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1345075]Look, if a tackle would have been available in the first round for the taking, and the team didn't take it, I'd be fine with all the complaining. But that didn't happen.

Everyone is complaining about not taking a second round o-lineman, like any o-lineman would have been a sure fire starter. Have you seen the history of this team with second round players? It just shows you that anything beyond the first round is a toss up. Hell, even the first round is a toss up.

Both fans and the media just need to demand a better output from players and coaches. The current o-line needs to get their shit together and play better, and coaches, from the the o-line coaches all the way up to the Ron, need to figure out how to make these current players work out. If not ,then they are all going to be sent packing at the end of the season.

Sorry, but I'm just getting sick and tired of the same "wah wah, Ron should have drafted lineman in the second round" like that is the answer to everything.[/QUOTE]


So Martin was a sure fire starter? He was no more a sure thing than any olineman and oline was where we were lacking. So yea it is a gamble but for God sakes gamble on something you need.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1345080]So Martin was a sure fire starter? He was no more a sure thing than any olineman and oline was where we were lacking. So yea it is a gamble but for God sakes gamble on something you need.[/QUOTE]He's not a sure fire starter, further proving my point that drafting a 2nd round oline is not the solution you keep yapping about.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1345079]Maybe he should have hired an experienced OL line coach after Matsko was let go. [url]https://www.commanders.com/team/coaches-roster/travelle-wharton[/url][/QUOTE]Good point about Matsko, I was surprised that he was let go.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1345081]He's not a sure fire starter, further proving my point that drafting a 2nd round oline is not the solution you keep yapping about.

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You made the statement that no olineman was a sure fire starter. But we took a dback that was rated below those lineman that were available and we needed help more on the line. You are literally the only one ok with that pick at this point. It was an awful pick than. Its an awful pick now.

How in the hell does swinging and missing on a dback that looks like he isn’t getting back up your point that ignoring the oline was a good idea? Thats ridiculous. And its a forum for talking about football, so stop getting your panties in a bunch when ever someone disagrees with you.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1345083]You made the statement that no olineman was a sure fire starter. But we took a dback that was rated below those lineman that were available and we needed help more on the line. You are literally the only one ok with that pick at this point. It was an awful pick than. Its an awful pick now.

How in the hell does swinging and missing on a dback that looks like he isn’t getting back up your point that ignoring the oline was a good idea? Thats ridiculous. And its a forum for talking about football, so stop getting your panties in a bunch when ever someone disagrees with you.[/QUOTE]

I'm not getting my panties in a bunch because you're disagreeing with me. I just keep seeing people harping about the second round like that's the f*cking solution to everything.

I don't think Martin was the best pick, but I also don't think picking an o-lineman was the sure fire answer you think it would have been.

You think Ron is the worst coach in the league, but somehow him picking an offensive lineman in the 2nd round would have worked out?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345076]Side note: I never understand the logic of going to a football game, and wearing the gear of a football team that is not playing in said football game.[/quote]

+1000

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It's a shot at something better than we already have on the o-line. I feel like the coaching and scouting staff are mediocre and I wouldn't trust them that much anyway.

I'd rather taken a shot on an o-linemen than Martin is all most of us are feeling.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1345084]I'm not getting my panties in a bunch because you're disagreeing with me.

I don't think Martin was the best pick, but I also don't think picking an o-lineman was the sure fire answer you think it would have been.

You think Ron is the worst coach in the league, but somehow him picking an offensive lineman in the 2nd round would have worked out?

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Well when you tell someone they are “yapping” it turns from a discussion into a bunched panties situation.

You’re putting alot of words in my mouth so Ill try to explain what I am saying. Which, I believe a lot of people, even in this forum, are saying. Like Meks just did as I was writing this.

I never said anything was a sure fire answer because as we all know nothing is a sure thing BUT it is pretty fuckin clear where our main deficiency lies. It was pretty clear where it lied during the draft. O line. So with more than one highly graded olineman available, yes taking a dback was a head scratcher. Now after what we saw yesterday it is a problem. Would Mauch, or Torrence have made a difference? Who knows? Im simply saying that reaching on a dback when there were higher graded players at a position of actual need was and is silly.

Also, I never said Ron was “the worst coach in the league “. I said he was not a good one. Not sure many people disagree with that either.

Not yapping. Not doom and gloom. Simply wondering, like many other fans why we didn’t address the oline more seriously because it was a shit show last year. We had a decent secondary and took Forbes in the first. Taking Martin in the second was unnecessary and counter productive. That is all. Don’t mean im not a true fan or a crybaby. Lol. Simply means I think they dropped the ball on that pick. And as Meks pointed out, why not take a shot at improving the oline instead of depth in the secondary? At least if it didn’t work out the pick made sense.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345079]Maybe he should have hired an experienced OL line coach after Matsko was let go.[/quote]

What's the difference? They both met the primary qualification for coaches and free agents here - namely they were with Ron Rivera in Carolina. Yep, that's all it takes for Ron, so he just promoted the assistant OL coach. It also saved time that would have been lost in unnecessary interviews with people who hadn't worked with him in Carolina.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1345088]What's the difference? They both met the primary qualification for coaches and free agents here - namely they were with Ron Rivera in Carolina. Yep, that's all it takes for Ron, so he just promoted the assistant OL coach. It also saved time that would have been lost in unnecessary interviews with people who hadn't worked with him in Carolina.[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1345088]What's the difference? They both met the primary qualification for coaches and free agents here - namely they were with Ron Rivera in Carolina. Yep, that's all it takes for Ron, so he just promoted the assistant OL coach. It also saved time that would have been lost in unnecessary interviews with people who hadn't worked with him in Carolina.[/QUOTE]EB must have shown up to his interview in a Panthers polo. LOL.

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I prefer to wad my panties.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1344967]I would say that the reason all the mistakes were overcame was cause the Cards didn't have a NFL offense. I was thinking that we would blow this team out. The best part of the game was the crowd. That was great to see.[/QUOTE]

I was in that crowd, and it was awesome.

D: The defense was great, especially when it mattered most.

ST: Special Teams were good enough.

O: I kept waiting for the offense to feed off the momentum the D was providing, but it never really happened. If they didn't benefit from a few penalties against AZ, and the defense giving them the ball back a couple times, they definitely would have lost this game. They struggled with consistency. The only drive that felt pretty good ended with a Gibson fumble. While sacks may seem to paint a picture that the O-line was terrible, I thought they were ok, especially early on. It appeared (to me and many sitting around us) that Howell was just too hesitant to make a decision a lot of times, like he didn't trust what he was seeing. That sack/fumble/TD was squarely on Wylie though. He just got straight beat.

Sam has to be better though, and EB has to put him in positions to be better. The defense can only carry this team so far.

Not a perfect game by any means, but we got what mattered - the W.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345093]EB must have shown up to his interview in a Panthers polo. LOL.

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I was listening to Andy Reid a few weeks ago, it almost sounded like he was begging Ron to take EB off his hands- like do me a favor and take this guy because I don't want him back here.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1345138]I was listening to Andy Reid a few weeks ago, it almost sounded like he was begging Ron to take EB off his hands- like do me a favor and take this guy because I don't want him back here.[/QUOTE]


Im going to go with absolutely not on that. They accomplished everything they could accomplish together and Reid knew if he was ever going to get a shot at HC he was going to have to get out of his shadow.

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breakdown of the 6 sacks and assignment of responsibility (from Hogs Haven):

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/11/23869345/was-washingtons-offensive-line-really-as-bad-as-people-think-against-the-cardinals?fbclid=IwAR2yELoRE2a_llJhBqhUHe9wVF05E0JlejR5sZMWqKZu1xarvE8F3zt7hRY"]Source:[/URL]

[quote]Sack 1
In the case of the first sack, Sam Howell steps back in the pocket, holds there for several seconds, is eventually flushed out, and ends up running out of bounds before the line of scrimmage. This sack is on Sam. At a minimum, he should have thrown the ball away.

Sack 2 (0:12)
Sam steps back, looks right, doesn’t like what he sees, and decides to take it up the middle, going down before the line of scrimmage. Also on Sam. In retrospect, it’s not exactly clear why he didn’t just throw to that first read.

Sack 3 (0:19)
This sack is simply tight end Logan Thomas (#82) getting beat on the edge by the pass rusher. Not on the OL, who otherwise gives Howell a nice pocket on the play.

Sack 4 (0:35)
This sack is completely on the right tackle, Andrew Wylie, who gets whirling dervished by the pass rusher, who sacks Howell, strips the ball, and ends up forcing a defensive score. First sack on the OL.

Sack 5 (1:03)
Initially, this sack appears to be on Saahdiq Charles, who looks to simply abandon his man in the middle of the play. Upon closer inspection, it appears Charles was actually passing his man off to center Nick Gates, who is standing alone in the middle of the field. We’ll give each half credit for this sack, and for poor communication. Second sack on the OL.

Sack 6 (1:20)
Again, at first glance, this sack appears to be on Charles, who looks to be steamrolled by the pass rusher directly into Howell’s legs. The second angle actually reveals something else though. As Brian Robinson is exiting the pocket, he clips Charles’ right leg, causing him to collapse and be pushed back into Howell. It was Charles’ rusher, but he was betrayed by his own running back. I’ll assign this one to Robinson. [/quote]

Pass blocking will get better as they play together and Howell gets more experience . . . not sure what to say on the run blocking though, they were terrible!!

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1345161]breakdown of the 6 sacks and assignment of responsibility (from Hogs Haven):

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/11/23869345/was-washingtons-offensive-line-really-as-bad-as-people-think-against-the-cardinals?fbclid=IwAR2yELoRE2a_llJhBqhUHe9wVF05E0JlejR5sZMWqKZu1xarvE8F3zt7hRY"]Source:[/URL]



Pass blocking will get better as they play together and Howell gets more experience . . . not sure what to say on the run blocking though, they were terrible!![/quote]

I think there needs to be less run plays out of the shotgun. B. Rob is too good between the tackles to run him out of the shotgun all the time, IMO.

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National rankings:
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/12/23869652/nfl-power-rankings-a-win-is-a-win-for-the-washington-commanders[/url]

Anywhere from 17-23 makes sense to me right now. They have some work to do if they are going to be taken seriously.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345166]I think there needs to be less run plays out of the shotgun. B. Rob is too good between the tackles to run him out of the shotgun all the time, IMO.[/quote]

One of the most important factors in running play success is running back momentum at the point of first contact. When running plays occur out of shot gun it automatically reduces velocity of running back at point of hand off and significantly decreases success. It is a no brainer really. Maybe do it once in a while in low risk situations to keep the defense honest but I doubt the juice is worth the squeeze.

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Is there a reason why NFL teams don't seem to run out of pistol much? It offers better run options than just running out of shotgun all the time while still allowing option, RPO etc.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1345182]Is there a reason why NFL teams don't seem to run out of pistol much? It offers better run options than just running out of shotgun all the time while still allowing option, RPO etc.[/quote]

Harder for the RB to get in position to block on pass-plays. As he would have to go around the QB then get re-positioned, then find his man. If I was defense, I'd blitz that formation basically every time. Think it's a little too 1-demenional to run anymore than a couple times a game.

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She needs to gain a little weight, but like what she says.

[url]https://youtu.be/pES9aAVcDU4?si=0TDEfZDk-CPbudt1[/url]

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Our o-line is gonna get the kid killed[if these jokers can't block the Cards, what happens when we face an angry Bills team in two weeks??] the Cowboys- Eagles-49er's are lickin their chops just thinking about facing us with this o-line...I hope that[EB] has something up his sleeve or we're in for a long season...our defense can't save us every Sunday!!

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[quote=Burgold;1345200]Our o-line is gonna get the kid killed[if these jokers can't block the Cards, what happens when we face an angry Bills team in two weeks??] the Cowboys- Eagles-49er's are lickin their chops just thinking about facing us with this o-line...I hope that[EB] has something up his sleeve or we're in for a long season...our defense can't save us every Sunday!![/quote]

More than agreed. We saw it all preseason I wasn't shocked at all.

Hopefully they improve as a unit and work hard to do so.. otherwise howell is toast

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1345198]She needs to gain a little weight, but like what she says.

[url]https://youtu.be/pES9aAVcDU4?si=0TDEfZDk-CPbudt1[/url][/QUOTE]


She’s a smoke


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Commanders were ranked 11th in pass protection for week 1:

[URL="https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1701945730355626323?fbclid=IwAR0z8koeNJpfy0YnQMMP-sfOtiofybm0XY0be6qKE72S5Gn4_HLgS5lZark"]Source:[/URL]

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F56GD5HWEAAbPyP?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]

plus Washington was the only nfc east team to have two tackles in the top 20 of pass block win rate . . . actually the only team in the nfc east to have anyone tackle in the top 20 in pass block win rate

[img]https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/378787684_10231583351114683_7101282373037366538_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=6a0516&_nc_ohc=eGRf6zjtKc0AX-OwGJt&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCz8iDf4-7zf7l0XGXksXXHvi940YwOlswkZt4Lbpx15g&oe=6507A259[/img]

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I was at the game, and it appeared to me the O-line was doing a pretty decent job. The running game was probably below average, but I don't know how much of that was the play calls, the RBs, or the O-line. Probably a good mix. I thought the protection was good overall though. I would only put a couple of those sacks on the O-line - definitely the strip-sack TD. Sam needs to be more decisive. Hopefully that will come with more experience in the league and in EB's system.

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Some decent tight end play will help a lot .

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1345241]Commanders were ranked 11th in pass protection for week 1:

[URL="https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1701945730355626323?fbclid=IwAR0z8koeNJpfy0YnQMMP-sfOtiofybm0XY0be6qKE72S5Gn4_HLgS5lZark"]Source:[/URL]

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F56GD5HWEAAbPyP?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]

plus Washington was the only nfc east team to have two tackles in the top 20 of pass block win rate . . . actually the only team in the nfc east to have anyone tackle in the top 20 in pass block win rate

[img]https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/378787684_10231583351114683_7101282373037366538_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=6a0516&_nc_ohc=eGRf6zjtKc0AX-OwGJt&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCz8iDf4-7zf7l0XGXksXXHvi940YwOlswkZt4Lbpx15g&oe=6507A259[/img][/quote]

Good inflo, thanks for posting.

Listing to Logan or Keim…one of them said the new Right Tackle, A-Dub, had a good pass blocking day and unfortunately the one play he blew lead to the worst play of the day for the skins…scoop and score

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[url]https://x.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1701959078786789680?s=01[/url]

Three learning opportunities for Sam...broken down by D Orlovsky

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[quote=Chico23231;1345263]Good inflo, thanks for posting.

Listing to Logan or Keim…one of them said the new Right Tackle, A-Dub, [B]had a good pass blocking day and unfortunately the one play he blew lead to the worst play of the day for the skins[/B]…scoop and score[/quote]

If you are talking about the SH fumble for an AZ TD, it was Wiley's man clearly who got to SH on a miss block by #71


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R2r9805So[/url]

start at 3:40 mark to see play

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After seeing Commanders 11th in pass protection wk 1, this solidifies my belief that Howell needs to get rid of the ball quicker. Via plays, his own decisions, whatever. Think it will help a lot.

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Sam has to learn to cover the ball and go down on that play. Once Wiley was beat he was dead to rights and his only job is to secure the ball and not carry it like a briefcase. Probably just growing pains but hopefully he learns from that.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1345287][url]https://x.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1701959078786789680?s=01[/url]

Three learning opportunities for Sam...broken down by D Orlovsky[/quote]

He needs to trust his arm too. On the first play, the hook on the left (Terry?) is open if he throws early and with power. Seems he lacks a bit of faith he can drive a ball into a small window. The NFL is often about small windows.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1345308]He needs to trust his arm too. On the first play, the hook on the left (Terry?) is open if he throws early and with power. [B]Seems he lacks a bit of faith he can drive a ball into a small window.[/B] The NFL is often about small windows.[/quote]

I very much doubt that Sam lacks the confidence to throw the ball into small windows. Also, I'm certain that he knows more than anyone that he has a very powerful arm. So, I'd look elsewhere for the reason he didn't make a throw.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1345294]After seeing Commanders 11th in pass protection wk 1, this solidifies my belief that Howell needs to get rid of the ball quicker. Via plays, his own decisions, whatever. Think it will help a lot.[/quote]

According to PFF all of the individual members of the offensive line pass blocked well but Gibson and Thomas were horrible in pass protection.

Sam does need to be more decisive, protect the ball, and avoid sacks. By all accounts, Sam is a quick learner so he should improve but we shouldn't fool ourselves that Sam won't go through the usual rough patches as he learns.

We have a very good blocking TE in John Bates who should probably take the pass protection snaps from Thomas. Our RB's seemed to me to be much improved in pass pro during the preseason. Now I'm not so sure about that. I'm starting to feel that we should go after a prime all-around back via trade.

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Bates needs to play more period. Very good blocker and can catch some. Please more him and Turner in this offense asap.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1345311]I very much doubt that Sam lacks the confidence to throw the ball into small windows. Also, I'm certain that he knows more than anyone that he has a very powerful arm. So, I'd look elsewhere for the reason he didn't make a throw.[/quote]

I actually think it is a confidence thing. Maybe not necessarily confidence in his abilities, but confidence with regard to trusting what he is seeing, and that his guys will make the plays if he just puts the ball on them in time.

It will come with experience and more reps.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1345321]I actually think it is a confidence thing. Maybe not necessarily confidence in his abilities, but confidence with regard to trusting what he is seeing, and that his guys will make the plays if he just puts the ball on them in time.

It will come with experience and more reps.[/quote]I think there was more pressure on him that realized v. AZ. Season home opener under total new regime, worst team in league, new o-coordinator, many former greats in attendance, etc. I actually think he plays much better soon. Kid has a lot of talent. Interested to see how o plays v. Denver.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1345322]I think there was more pressure on him that realized v. AZ. Season home opener under total new regime, worst team in league, new o-coordinator, many former greats in attendance, etc. I actually think he plays much better soon. Kid has a lot of talent. Interested to see how o plays v. Denver.[/quote]

That is a very valid point. The pressure was definitely on for them to win that game, and for him to do well. Nothing for AZ to lose, but if we had lost...