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[quote=skinsfaninok;1322449]Eagles open as 4 point favorites next week..

I know it's early but with this defense I just don't see how we will stop that Offense.[/quote]

Hurts is going to run for 227 yards.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1322450]Hurts is going to run for 227 yards.[/QUOTE]


I’ll probably catch the 4th Qtr again like yesterday. I’m not spending my whole sunday watching these guys anymore. At the end of the day, they don’t effect our personal lives and we as fans need to just accept that we suck and will most likely lose most of our games. I don’t even get mad anymore


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Sports radio pontificated on going 5 down linemen to stop the run.

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Is the point of playing the corners 10 yards off the LOS .. to try and keep the plays in front of them and have the corners collapse/close in quickly? Give up the short underneath stuff but dont let guys get behind you?

If we had a good run D I can see the point, the bend dont break D, make them go 10 plays down field knowing a penalty or turnover or a 3rd and long will kill the drive.

8.0 yds per carry by Lions for 191 run yds. Yeah kinda skewed bc of a 58 yard sweep run by a WR and Swift had a 50 yarder

6.8 yds per carry by Jags.

If we arent stopping the run ... playing the corners back to "keep everything in front of you, give up the short stuff but dont get beat deep" approach might not work. If teams can get 8 yards on a 1st down run .. their playbook is wide open to get creative, take shots.

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Go 5 down lineman ... or go man aggressive on the outside, bring Forrest into the box and stop the run, take the chance of getting beat deep.

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Per JP Findlay, Roullier to short-term IR. This is terrible news.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1322453]Per JP Findlay, Roullier to short-term IR. This is terrible news.[/quote]

[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/b7eXT4qJc3n4A/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Larsen on IR, Schweitzer hurt ...

I guess we call up Toth. Ismael was released, resigned and then released a few weeks ago on IR with an injury settlement.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRoJCHuEfg[/url]

^^ Ron talking with reporters earlier today

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[quote=Chico23231;1322442]About the Oline and blocking, it’s seems to be a better pass protection line than a run blocking line. Schreff was a road grading run blocker. Cosmi seems to be better at pass pro than getting out on the run. Flowers seemed like a better run blocker than protection guy. I think it’s personal and a decision to regard pass protection over run blocking. I dunno, just a thought.

The defense needs Chase Young back, we need a playmaker out there to help.[/quote]

I imagine our WRs make them better at pass pro too, but yeah definitely think there has been a transition towards pass pro

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Here is the red zone defense efficiency (TDs only) this year.

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-pct[/url]

Our D is sitting at 17th for the two weeks combined but 2/3rds of RZ trips by Lions resulted in touchdowns (which was 20th this week with 4 teams left to play). Misleading because we are dead last in RZ trips allowed:

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game[/url]

For our offense RZ scoring efficiency we have batter 1.000

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct[/url]

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Kendall Fuller is giving up 21 YPC!! Holy shit

WJ3 Is giving up 15 YPC.

When your starting CBs are that bad you are fucked

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1322460]Kendall Fuller is giving up 21 YPC!! Holy shit

WJ3 Is giving up 15 YPC.

When your starting CBs are that bad you are fucked[/quote]

I'd move Fuller to the slot and put St. Juste on the outside. WJ3 was rather solid as a Bengal. I think he's being used inappropriately by JDR and Rivera.

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[quote=calia;1322441]It was probably better in low def.[/quote]

Accurate.

Glad you guys enjoyed - SD I did have a good time at the show yesterday, me and the lil' bro been going to that show since we were kids.

On topic - fucking christ JDR sucks. Like when you hear the quotes about the Lions watching film and ID'ing weaknesses like we can't identify formations - is that not on the staff? I've seen enough - it's year 3 and they're getting ass-blasted two weeks in a row. Ron your ship is gonna sink if you don't move on from the dead weight.

It pains me how many quality d-coordinators were overlooked for JDR since Ron got here. There really is no excuse - especially putting Holcomb in the middle in what is obviously a last-gasp hail mary because they didn't fill the position in the offseason.

You guys really think this d is gonna improve when Chase comes back? LOL.

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First of all, I think the Jaguars and the Lions are much better teams than they were last year (and Washington may not be). Are we lucky to be 1-1 - probably. Could we be 2-0 - yep. That said, I'm not too mad about going 1-1 after playing the Jags at home and the Lions on the road. I still think this team can be at least 2-2 after four games, and that's where most thought they would be. I'm still giving the team/players/coaches until after week four before I decide what we really have going on this year.

So far, I think the offense is legit, but the defense is so frustrating. Collectively, they just are not getting it done consistently. Too many big plays, and the inability to stop the run is mind-boggling.

Specific to the Detroit game though, I think it just boils down to who wanted it more after the clock started. I can't say it was the game plan, or really direct too much blame toward the coaches. The players got beat at every position group in the 1st half. To me, the Detroit players came to play from the jump, and the Commanders did not. I'll give them credit for making some adjustments and making it interesting in the 2nd half, but there's no excuse for what we saw in the 1st half. There's as much talent on this team as there is on Detroit's, but that doesn't matter if the effort is half-ass; or if you just expect to go in somewhere and get the W, but instead get slapped in the face. Ultimately yes, it's on the Coaches if the players aren't ready to go. But in reality the professional football players wearing burgundy and gold just didn't match the intensity of their opponent, dug themselves a hole, and were unable to recover. If it was a 90 minute game, they win 51-50...lol

I hope this one leaves a really bad taste for all of them.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1322424]Ever since Ron decided to play GM and got rid of Kyle Smith and brought his retreads. we’ve gotten rid of our DL line depth for subpar players[/quote]

I bet Dan fires Ron the GM but keep the coach at the end of the season.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1322435][url]https://twitter.com/RiggosRag/status/1571622681560158208?cxt=HHwWgMC49ZCgw88rAAAA[/url]

Ben Standig said he heard from the Lions' beat guy that the Lions players including St. Brown told him they had a really easy beat on the defense. They could see on tape there were certain offensive formations that confused the defenders among them they were confident that the fly sweep would work on this defense. And St. Brown said he could see when he had the ball on the sweep thst no one recognized on the defense he had the ball until it was too late.

I recently heard from someone on one our message boards that Jay Gruden once said (paraphrased), "Del Rio is one of the easiest defensive coordinators to scheme against. He doesn't try to trick you."[/quote]

This... See the Redskins vs Raiders game in 2017.

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I sub to Mark Bullock's substack and he had an excellent post today breaking down a specific reason why our D struggled this week. WR bunch sets - we had a bunch of miscommunications throughout week 1 because St. Juste and co. weren't cleanly defining their responsibilities. They have options - everyone can go man to man or defenders can pass off a receiver to a specific area so they don't get jammed up in man to man. There were several plays last week where it was clear we weren't communicating well which led to receivers running free - Trevor Lawrence didn't exploit those opportunities though. Detroit picked up on it in film and tested it out this week and it was clear we hadn't fixed this week in practice so they exploited it all day. The A. St. Brown 49 yarder came from a bunches coverage exploit.

Anyways this is the long route of saying Ron doesn't think this is a big issue, or he does and he's not letting on. Either way they gotta get it fixed otherwise the Eagles will be exploiting it next week.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1322453]Per JP Findlay, Roullier to short-term IR. This is terrible news.[/quote]

Jeremy Fowler says it could be worse:

Washington starting center Chase Roullier is in danger of missing the rest of the season due to significance of knee injury, per source. Surgery considered a viable option but second opinion coming. As @john_keim noted, short-term IR at minimum.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322469]First of all, I think the Jaguars and the Lions are much better teams than they were last year (and Washington may not be). Are we lucky to be 1-1 - probably. Could we be 2-0 - yep. That said, I'm not too mad about going 1-1 after playing the Jags at home and the Lions on the road. I still think this team can be at least 2-2 after four games, and that's where most thought they would be. I'm still giving the team/players/coaches until after week four before I decide what we really have going on this year.

So far, I think the offense is legit, but the defense is so frustrating. Collectively, they just are not getting it done consistently. Too many big plays, and the inability to stop the run is mind-boggling.

Specific to the Detroit game though, I think it just boils down to who wanted it more after the clock started. I can't say it was the game plan, or really direct too much blame toward the coaches. The players got beat at every position group in the 1st half. To me, the Detroit players came to play from the jump, and the Commanders did not. I'll give them credit for making some adjustments and making it interesting in the 2nd half, but there's no excuse for what we saw in the 1st half. There's as much talent on this team as there is on Detroit's, but that doesn't matter if the effort is half-ass; or if you just expect to go in somewhere and get the W, but instead get slapped in the face. Ultimately yes, it's on the Coaches if the players aren't ready to go. But in reality the professional football players wearing burgundy and gold just didn't match the intensity of their opponent, dug themselves a hole, and were unable to recover. If it was a 90 minute game, they win 51-50...lol

I hope this one leaves a really bad taste for all of them.[/quote]

Agree overall.
I do think even JDR made a decent job at mixing up personnel and looks and making some adjustment. I do think it was a matter of intensity and will to win, and while I agree players have their personal responsibility in that, [I]when it's the whole team it does point to bad coaching IMO.[/I] Ron isn't getting em fired up.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1322494]Agree overall.
I do think even JDR made a decent job at mixing up personnel and looks and making some adjustment. I do think it was a matter of intensity and will to win, and while I agree players have their personal responsibility in that, [I]when it's the whole team it does point to bad coaching IMO.[/I] [B]Ron isn't getting em fired up.[/B][/quote]

I see your point, but this isn't High School. These professional players have to police themselves, and show up to work ready to roll. If they need RR to "fire them up", that's an even bigger problem than communication or game planning.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322517]I see your point, but this isn't High School. These professional players have to police themselves, and show up to work ready to roll. If they need RR to "fire them up", that's an even bigger problem than communication or game planning.[/quote]

Agreed. But they do need a DC to come up with some workable defensive scheme. And I think we all seem to largely agree that we do not not have that.

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Being trolled by the Lions: [url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/lions-clown-commanders-after-sunday-s-win/ar-AA1210fP?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e0439ee93c5d43fda77784e434811196[/url]

Really, we kinda have it coming. The mug is pretty funny, actually.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1322483]Jeremy Fowler says it could be worse:

Washington starting center Chase Roullier is in danger of missing the rest of the season due to significance of knee injury, per source. Surgery considered a viable option but second opinion coming. As @john_keim noted, short-term IR at minimum.[/quote]

Worse still if you consider Schweitzer is injured. Saddiq Charles or Wes Martin to start next week? Won't be pretty against the Eagles Georgia rookie

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[quote=skinsfan69;1322473]I bet Dan fires Ron the GM but keep the coach at the end of the season.[/quote]

Ron the coach wont stick around if Ron the GM gets fired. Ron the GM is trying to prove himself as a GM so that Ron the coach can retire.

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[quote=irish;1322527]Ron the coach wont stick around if Ron the GM gets fired. Ron the GM is trying to prove himself as a GM so that Ron the coach can retire.[/quote]

Ron the GM should tell Ron the coaching winning a SB helps with that plan.

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[quote=punch it in;1322432]Holcomb, Jackson, Rivera , JDR - all stink.
Our offensive line is trash too.

This team isn’t winning more than 5 games.[/quote]

holcomb does not stink he is playing out of positon, this is all on rivera because he constructed this team being the head coach and GM.

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if some miracle doesn,t happen between now and when we play eagles next sunday ,dear god it might be really freaking ugly

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Anybody see what Jamin Davis posted to IG after Rivera singled him out again for D this week?

[url]https://twitter.com/WentzToMcLaurin/status/1571965944355852289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1571965944355852289%7Ctwgr%5E5462d8225826b97b06e08036a26a3079d04288ee%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2022%2F9%2F20%2F23342622%2Fall-atwitter-20-september-2022[/url]

oh boy

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322535]Anybody see what Jamin Davis posted to IG after Rivera singled him out again for D this week?

[url]https://twitter.com/WentzToMcLaurin/status/1571965944355852289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1571965944355852289%7Ctwgr%5E5462d8225826b97b06e08036a26a3079d04288ee%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2022%2F9%2F20%2F23342622%2Fall-atwitter-20-september-2022[/url]

oh boy[/quote]

LOL Here we go with the race card BS.. Unreal

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any good QBs in this years draft?

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[quote=mredskins;1322538]any good QBs in this years draft?[/quote]

Should be but QB isn't our issue. Wentz has been good and Sam Howell is legit. WE NEED DBS

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322535]Anybody see what Jamin Davis posted to IG after Rivera singled him out again for D this week?

[url]https://twitter.com/WentzToMcLaurin/status/1571965944355852289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1571965944355852289%7Ctwgr%5E5462d8225826b97b06e08036a26a3079d04288ee%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2022%2F9%2F20%2F23342622%2Fall-atwitter-20-september-2022[/url]

oh boy[/quote]


Yeah, lot of other players "liked" it too. Hardly in keeping with the new culture to call out a young guy when the entire defence is garbage and the veteran captains need to be accountable along with the coaching staff. He wasn't the worst player on the pitch, just the most inexperienced, but they new that when they drafted him a little over a year ago, all on them

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I really didn't think Davis played bad on Sun. They did what they should be doing and that is blitzing him a lot more.

Also you don't rip your players to the media. That to me is a BIG no no. Ron saying openly "we're running out of time" about Davis is WRONG. All Ron had to say was "Jamin is working hard, he did some good things out there and there are some things we need to clean up." You simply don't say what Ron said.

What if the players openly called you out for your stupid ass decision to go for two when there was no reason to?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1322544]I really didn't think Davis played bad on Sun. They did what they should be doing and that is blitzing him a lot more.

Also you don't rip your players to the media. That to me is a BIG no no. Ron saying openly "we're running out of time" about Davis is WRONG. All Ron had to say was "Jamin is working hard, he did some good things out there and there are some things we need to clean up." You simply don't say what Ron said.

What if the players openly called you out for your stupid ass decision to go for two when there so no reason to?[/quote]

I like that RR finally spoke open and honestly, I'm sick of the coach-speak.

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RR Needs to include himself in that running out of time thing. We are getting worse in year 3 not better.

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I thought RR was a Defensive mind... Well after 3 years of shit defense he's clearly not

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1322539]Should be but QB isn't our issue. Wentz has been good and Sam Howell is legit. WE NEED DBS[/quote]

i get you but honestly you need a josh allen type and that shit will set your franchise for years. i would not pass on a potential franchise QB and then build around him.

this is RR's team if it fails this year in year three i blow it up.

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I didn't see the entire presser. Right now it doesn't matter if you have Fred Warner at LB if the DBs are playing the way they are.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1322517]I see your point, but this isn't High School. These professional players have to police themselves, and show up to work ready to roll. If they need RR to "fire them up", that's an even bigger problem than communication or game planning.[/quote]

I agree that they have an individual responsibility to play hard no matter how good a speech the coach gives, but even at a pro level, it's still a team sport, and we've seen many times how a locker room sticking together and believing in each other or not makes a huge difference. It's not all about x's and o's, to me having guys play hard and buying into what they're being told to do is a big part of a coach's job. No matter the $ every one is getting paid.

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Not a fan of Chris Russell but:
Here's the most interesting part of the #Commanders pitiful defense so far through two games...

Last year, on third-down, they were 2nd worst (31st) in #NFL at 48.47% allowed.

This year, they are tied for 5th BEST (4-13 @ Det, 3-12 vs #Jags) at 28% allowed.
@Commanders
#NFL

Well yeah when they get a first down after two plays you don't get a chance to stop them on third down.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322559]Not a fan of Chris Russell but:
Here's the most interesting part of the #Commanders pitiful defense so far through two games...

Last year, on third-down, they were 2nd worst (31st) in #NFL at 48.47% allowed.

This year, they are tied for 5th BEST (4-13 @ Det, 3-12 vs #Jags) at 28% allowed.
@Commanders
#NFL

[B]Well yeah when they get a first down after two plays you don't get a chance to stop them on first down[/B].[/quote]


that is actually a interesting point; is there a metric that shows if your team gets other teams to third down.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1322535]Anybody see what Jamin Davis posted to IG after Rivera singled him out again for D this week?

[url]https://twitter.com/WentzToMcLaurin/status/1571965944355852289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1571965944355852289%7Ctwgr%5E5462d8225826b97b06e08036a26a3079d04288ee%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2022%2F9%2F20%2F23342622%2Fall-atwitter-20-september-2022[/url]

oh boy[/quote]

Damn ... Jamin Davis went Tarantino.

I love it.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1322558]I agree that they have an individual responsibility to play hard no matter how good a speech the coach gives, but even at a pro level, it's still a team sport, and we've seen many times how a locker room sticking together and believing in each other or not makes a huge difference. It's not all about x's and o's, to me having guys play hard and buying into what they're being told to do is a big part of a coach's job. No matter the $ every one is getting paid.[/quote]

Agreed. Win or lose, it's a team effort - coaches and players bear responsibility.

I'm beginning to wonder if this whole thing is starting to unravel - especially on the defensive side. D-line coach getting canned just before the season starts (and they may be worse since then), players getting singled out, players calling out the coaching/game plan, team captain talking about effort, players responding to getting called out...not even counting the recurrent on-the-field issues.

With all this squabbling, and the overall performance of the defense so far, I can truly see Philly putting up over 50. In some ways I hope they do so someone will be forced to do [U]ANYTHING[/U] to try to fix it.