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[quote=skinsfan69;1329979]not really expecting much for Chase this year. plus the defense is playing it's best in a while w/out him. gotta give dust up boy some credit. he has gotten these guys playing a lot better.[/quote]My thoughts exactly. He hasn't played football in awhile and our dline is rocking right now. I only want him in when he returns this year in obvious passing downs. Just ease him in slowly. He cannot be a liability against the run.

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plus the last we saw of Chase he was playing poorly. i just don't feel like there is any need to put him on the field just for the sake of putting him in cause of who he is and where he was drafted. he has to be 100% and he has to work his way back in. i'd only give him a few plays, maybe 10-15 and see how he looks. play the defense, don't try to be Superman and so on.

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They have already said his snap count will be pretty low first game back, and he will work his way up from there. There is no rush anyway because like you guys said the D is playing damn well. That being said he certainly should not be a liability.

There is a part of me that feels like he is never going to be what we thought he would be but my fingers are crossed. If Sweat, Allen, and Payne continue to do what they are doing and he returns to form the sky is the limit.

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Imagine a world where Chase comes back, humbled and/or wiser, and isn’t constantly chipped or doubled because he is joining a defense that has already proven it is good without him.

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Given how slow his recovery is going, I expect him to start slow out of the gate. Hopefully by the end of the year he will be going full speed again.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1329986]They have already said his snap count will be pretty low first game back, and he will work his way up from there. There is no rush anyway because like you guys said the D is playing damn well. That being said he certainly should not be a liability.

There is a part of me that feels like he is never going to be what we thought he would be but my fingers are crossed. If Sweat, Allen, and Payne continue to do what they are doing and he returns to form the sky is the limit.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on the side of not expecting too much out of him before late this season/next year... But after seeing Sweat finally become what we expected him to be after a somewhat disappointing start to his career, I say give the kid some time before we lose hope. His rookie season was really impressive. Let's hope the injury humbled him back into a hard working promising young player.

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I think a lot of people have given up too soon on Chase becoming an outstanding player. For one thing, Chase was excellent against the run right out of the box (as was Montez). This has been generally undervalued by fans. I'm not being myopic about why he was drafted; he was drafted to terrorize QBs. But I have mentioned one thing he already does very well that some pass rushers never develop - the ability to stop the run. So he has that. And we know that he has extraordinary physical gifts.

What he hasn't shown yet is a variety of pass rush moves that I think he needs to develop to dominate NFL caliber offensive linemen. I believe that will come in time and when he is fully healthy he will become the player we haved hoped for. Don't give up on Chase.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1330061]I think a lot of people have given up too soon on Chase becoming an outstanding player. For one thing, Chase was excellent against the run right out of the box (as was Montez). This has been generally undervalued by fans. I'm not being myopic about why he was drafted; he was drafted to terrorize QBs. But I have mentioned one thing he already does very well that some pass rushers never develop - the ability to stop the run. So he has that. And we know that he has extraordinary physical gifts.

What he hasn't shown yet is a variety of pass rush moves that I think he needs to develop to dominate NFL caliber offensive linemen. I believe that will come in time and when he is fully healthy he will become the player we haved hoped for. Don't give up on Chase.[/quote]

I’ve never given up on Chase or Montez, you would be a fool too. Great rookie season followed by sophomore slump and Injury, we haven’t seen enough to judge him. People will say well about Micah Parsons, who cares he doesn’t play here.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1330084]I’ve never given up on Chase or Montez, you would be a fool too. Great rookie season followed by sophomore slump and Injury, we haven’t seen enough to judge him. People will say well about Micah Parsons, who cares he doesn’t play here.[/quote]

Agreed. Long way to go in Chase's career - however his last season before he got injured was cause for concern. Hope it was just a bump in the road though. We'll see soon enough.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1329991]Imagine a world where Chase comes back, humbled and/or wiser, and isn’t constantly chipped or doubled because he is joining a defense that has already proven it is good without him.[/quote]

A constant problem last year with the defense was free styling and not buying into the scheme. This year started slow and now the defense is rolling…do you think there is any concern from staff of Chase coming back and breaking up this chemistry?

Replacing the Dline coach seems to have really help this defense a lot

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[quote=Chico23231;1330091]A constant problem last year with the defense was free styling and not buying into the scheme. This year started slow and now the defense is rolling…do you think there is any concern from staff of Chase coming back and breaking up this chemistry?

[B]Replacing the Dline coach seems to have really help this defense a lot[/B][/quote]

Agreed. Hate to say it but it definitely looks like Sam Mills wasn't the right guy for the job.

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is it odd CY didn't play yesterday or at least suit up maybe for a play or two. This has to be one of the longest recovers for a knee for anyone. I feel like we the fans are in the dark a bit with what is really going on.

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Apparently he caught the flu bug that has been going around the team. Regardless, given the weather conditions I doubt whether they would have risked it anyway

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[quote=mredskins;1330550]is it odd CY didn't play yesterday or at least suit up maybe for a play or two. This has to be one of the longest recovers for a knee for anyone. I feel like we the fans are in the dark a bit with what is really going on.[/quote]I'm starting to wonder the same thing. It's getting to the point of anything good we get from him will be a benefit. I just don't want him to interfere with how well the dline has been playing. Not giving up on C Young, but we need to see something soon. He is quickly in year 3 in the NFL.

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[quote=mredskins;1330550]is it odd CY didn't play yesterday or at least suit up maybe for a play or two. This has to be one of the longest recovers for a knee for anyone. I feel like we the fans are in the dark a bit with what is really going on.[/quote]

He’s still not even a year out from a pretty complicated injury that wasn’t the typical ACL injury. I think we need to relax.

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CY will play when he's ready.. He's just an added bonus at this point. If he can stay healthy all year next yr it would be nice

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1330657]CY will play when he's ready.. He's just an added bonus at this point. If he can stay healthy all year next yr it would be nice[/quote]

At this point him playing will be about him coming back and making progress in being comfortable on the field. He's not gonna come back and be a stud right out of the gate.

Notice how long it took B.Rob to come back from getting shot to being comfortable? This was the first week he really looked comfortable, juking guys and shifting around. I expect it to take CY99 a similar amount of time - he's gotta learn to trust his leg again.

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[quote=mooby;1330704]At this point him playing will be about him coming back and making progress in being comfortable on the field. He's not gonna come back and be a stud right out of the gate.

Notice how long it took B.Rob to come back from getting shot to being comfortable? This was the first week he really looked comfortable, juking guys and shifting around. I expect it to take CY99 a similar amount of time - he's gotta learn to trust his leg again.[/quote]

Yeah, this year is now about knocking the rust off and gaining confidence in the knee going into next season. Any sort of above average production would be gravy.

Play solid and stay healthy, would be a good end of the season for him now.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1330710]Yeah, this year is now about knocking the rust off and gaining confidence in the knee going into next season. Any sort of above average production would be gravy.

Play solid and stay healthy, would be a good end of the season for him now.[/QUOTE]


I’ve lowered my expectations for CY a couple of notches because (1) he wasn’t the transcendental player we were hoping for when we drafted him . . . more of an Arrington type whose physical prowess played better in college, and (2) his injury was more than garden variety, the kind that can f with your confidence. I’m hoping for a triumphant return next year, and CY at 90% is a good addition to any team. But we may soon be maxing out on d-line contracts and do better letting another team gamble on his future.

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[quote=HTTR;1330722]I’ve lowered my expectations for CY a couple of notches because (1) he wasn’t the transcendental player we were hoping for when we drafted him . . . more of an Arrington type whose physical prowess played better in college, and (2) his injury was more than garden variety, the kind that can f with your confidence. I’m hoping for a triumphant return next year, and CY at 90% is a good addition to any team. But we may soon be maxing out on d-line contracts and do better letting another team gamble on his future.[/quote]

Allen has been extended and I think we need to keep Payne.

The team will likely have to make a choice between keeping Sweat or Young.

I think Young has more Lawrence Taylor type potential, but with a higher bust potential too. I think Sweat will be a more consistent, lower floor type guy, like Kerrigan.

If we keep Allen, Payne, and either Young or Sweat, we will have an above average front at worst.

I hope we keep Payne and figure out the DE position after that. Allen and Payne are kicking ass. Kicking ass up front, on either side, is always good.

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Rain Saturday in NYC, no rain in forecast Sunday.

If Chases does go, I imagine it will be limited snaps (10-15) on pass plays only.

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[quote=Chico23231;1330091]A constant problem last year with the defense was free styling and not buying into the scheme. This year started slow and now the defense is rolling…do you think there is any concern from staff of Chase coming back and breaking up this chemistry?

Replacing the Dline coach seems to have really help this defense a lot[/quote]

I completely agree with you, the free styling/selfishness issue was a huge problem with the D-Lineman and our DE's in particular. They were all looking for the big sack/big play and not reading and reacting.
For the first time in decades I recently (in the last few weeks) saw our DE's actually cover their gap responsibility in the running game and also blow up screen plays because they actually stopped and read the play successfully. In the past they used to sprint as fast they could to the QB. Now when the O-lineman lets the DE's unblocked they look around and read. They do not fall into the trap. Smart football finally.
Chase Young is going to have to play team football. The team winning is more important than your sack stats.

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[quote=Defensewins;1330748]I completely agree with you, the free styling/selfishness issue was a huge problem with the D-Lineman and our DE's in particular. They were all looking for the big sack/big play and not reading and reacting.
For the first time in decades I recently (in the last few weeks) saw our DE's actually cover their gap responsibility in the running game and also blow up screen plays because they actually stopped and read the play successfully. In the past they used to sprint as fast they could to the QB. Now when the O-lineman lets the DE's unblocked they look around and read. They do not fall into the trap. Smart football finally.
Chase Young is going to have to play team football. The team winning is more important than your sack stats.[/quote]

Good assessment. And now there's a true Alpha on the line in Jon Allen. Even a guy of Chase's stature needs to follow the lead of the soon-to-be All Pro DT. I think he will.

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Sports radio was talking about that this morning.

Last year RR repeatedly said they need show maturity.

Warren Sapp when he visited in offseason said our scheme requires gap responsibility/integrity.

When Chase went out last year, we saw an almost immediate difference on the edge in the run game when Smith-Williams/Toothill came in.

How great has Smith-Williams and Toothill been? Solid play from your next man up.

Toney .. thought hed be coming in on pass plays as a pass rush specialist.

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I wish i was in the film room with the D-Line when they replayed the John Ridgeway body slam of the Houston rb. He seems to be fittin in and getting some valuable snaps.

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Funny how the defense suddenly "matured" once Mills was replaced.

Honestly not worried about CY disrupting the flow of things.

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[quote=MTK;1330757]Funny how the defense suddenly "matured" once Mills was replaced.

Honestly not worried about CY disrupting the flow of things.[/quote]

WJ3 as well, he was so bad for us back there.

There is a reason he hasn't played yet for Pitt

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[quote=SunnySide;1330751]Sports radio was talking about that this morning.

Last year RR repeatedly said they need show maturity.

Warren Sapp when he visited in offseason said our scheme requires gap responsibility/integrity.

When Chase went out last year, we saw an almost immediate difference on the edge in the run game when Smith-Williams/Toothill came in.

[B][U]How great has Smith-Williams and Toothill been? Solid play from your next man up.[/U][/B]

Toney .. thought hed be coming in on pass plays as a pass rush specialist.[/quote]

The bench guys are playing great. They have all developed their roles and playing them perfectly. Good rotation. Have to credit the coaching to develop these guys.
I think you can also say what a luxury it is to not have to rush Young back. Let him slowly work his way back. No rush.

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[quote=Defensewins;1330770]The bench guys are playing great. They have all developed their roles and playing them perfectly. Good rotation. Have to credit the coaching to develop these guys.
I think you can also say what a luxury it is to not have to rush Young back. Let him slowly work his way back. No rush.[/quote]

JDR is MVP on coaching staff

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I would have to think CY has matured by witnessing the maturity of the team from a far and will fall in line. If not I am confident that RR will have something to say.

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Ive heard from more than one skins beat reporter say Chase is the vocal leader in the locker room, guys gravitate to him, hes the pulse.

I think Chase has all the physical intangibles + super star drive = HOF

Just gotta put it all together.

RR said pre season he went over film w Chase and he wasnt doing what he did in college. In college hed beat you with speed just as much as bull rush over power. In the NFL hes not challenging guys head on but trying to be finesse, RR talked to him about being physical, putting a toll on that tackle.

My impression was .. RR wants Chase going helmet on helmet when the play calls for it so he can be gap/job responsible and the guys behind him can do their job.

Little like running right at Parsons. Parsons is always thinking of how he is going to beat his guy to get to QB. So run right at him bc Parsons is always thinking sack, will always be out of position.

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Still hoping chase has learned some new moves and a better nose for the running plays/qb runs. He was pretty good, then fell off - and i need to see him prove it out there.

Until then my internal jury will remain out and continue to lean toward a disappearing more often than not in games...... JAG

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[quote=Meks;1330843]Still hoping chase has learned some new moves and a better nose for the running plays/qb runs. He was pretty good, then fell off - and i need to see him prove it out there.

Until then my internal jury will remain out and continue to lean toward a disappearing more often than not in games...... JAG[/quote]

If he lost that quick first step .. hes not going to live up to his potential.

Healthy career with that Von Miller type jump off the ball ... HOF imo.

His natural physical abilities are top 5% for edge in NFL. He seems to have that superstar drive.

I agree with what people are saying but weve only just begun.

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yea not gonna write em off but so far thats just where im at and i hope for the best for him

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[quote=SunnySide;1330877]If he lost that quick first step .. hes not going to live up to his potential.

Healthy career with that Von Miller type jump off the ball ... HOF imo.

His natural physical abilities are top 5% for edge in NFL. He seems to have that superstar drive.

I agree with what people are saying but weve only just begun.

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I would say he would be back to his old self next year. DeMarcus Ware suffered a knee injury and he was back to his old self on his second year after the injury.

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At this point I'd just sit him until 2023

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When he's healthy and ready to go, I think they have to start easing him in there. There's no benefit in waiting until next year. He could be a big boost to this D by playoff time (should they make it), which is still six weeks away. But you'll never know if you don't get him out there and let him knock off the rust and get in sync with his teammates.

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Right now we're in playoff contention, so that's potentially 6+ games to get back in game shape and see where he's at. If nothing else the coaching staff will want that game film. If he's put on ice until camp, he's going to have to get up to game speed in camp. I'd bet it would be game 2 or 3 next year before he's good. Why put him on ice if he might be a top pass rusher by game 15 or 16? Who wouldn't want that against the 49ers, Browns and Cowgirls?

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Saw a quote on the twitter feed of one of the local journo's, may have been Keim, that I thought was interesting and is relevant to Young. The arrival/return of Kerrigan as an assisstant coach was heavily credited with the maturing of Montez Sweats game. If you think about it, it was after Kerrigan left last year that the DE play was killing the gap control and was driving Ron mad. This year, admittedly after the firing of Mills, they are far more scheme sound in terms of containing the edges. I this is true, hopefully it has a similar effect on Young. As others have said, I think it is important to get Young back on the field and knocking the rust off as long as he is fit to do so. Holding him out any longer will affect his game mentally. Also saw a report that Ron sat down with Chase in the offseason to watch film and point out what he was doing differently last year compared to his college days and rookie year, which will also hopefully have a positive impact.

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My thought is it’s all about being able to get something from Chase in the playoffs. He’s not going to make a major impact vs NY if he even plays. And since it’s these two games against NY that will be what decides whether we make it, you have to get to the playoffs effectively without Chase.

But get in and have him ready to do damage in the first round and anything can happen.