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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313392]Nice. Wonder if it is less than what Flowers was set to make.[/quote]

It should be, one is 27 and the other 30, but not by a big margin IMO, if I'm reading [URL="https://overthecap.com/player/andrew-norwell/3282/"]this[/URL] correctly Norwell was making 9M/yr the last 2 seasons.

Either way, I'm not going to freak out over it. I would have loved to see Flowers extended instead of released... But we needed a guard, and they seem to have got a decent guard. I'm ok with it pretty much regardless of the $ (would make more sense if Norwell gets way less than Flowers obviously, but...).

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I wouldn't mind Trevor Penning in the 1st round either, he would solidify the OL.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1313518]Specifically, we need a Mike LB. IMO Devin Lloyd would be a good pick at 11, as you said. Christian Harris would be another good pick for MLB at #11. I also like Chad Muma and Troy Anderson in the second or third, respectively.[/QUOTE]



Don’t know much about those two. Looked them both up. Read a lot of good shit about Anderson.

Christian Harris looking like he will be there in the second round for sure. Love that kid.

Two dream scenarios…

Kyle Hamilton at 11
Christian Harris at 47

Or

Devin Lloyd at 11
Lewis Cine at 47

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I have a feeling we are trading the 11th pick down, with 5 picks they need more picks.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1313551]I have a feeling we are trading the 11th pick down, with 5 picks they need more picks.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I’d like to add more picks. With our luck in later rounds especially


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313554]Yeah I’d like to add more picks. With our luck in later rounds especially

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Like the QB prospects before the trade, I'm stuck on if we should trade down or not. And my mind constantly changes on it.

Would it be nice to get some more picks? Yep. But do we really want to lose out on Sauce or Hamilton, etc. Or if Willis is still there?

Of course FA just started, so this is no where near settled anyways.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1313528]It should be, one is 27 and the other 30, but not by a big margin IMO, if I'm reading [URL="https://overthecap.com/player/andrew-norwell/3282/"]this[/URL] correctly Norwell was making 9M/yr the last 2 seasons.

Either way, I'm not going to freak out over it. I would have loved to see Flowers extended instead of released... But we needed a guard, and they seem to have got a decent guard. I'm ok with it pretty much regardless of the $ (would make more sense if Norwell gets way less than Flowers obviously, but...).[/quote]

The way I see it quality wise Norwell and Flowers were a wash when it comes to quality, so Norwell better damn well be cheaper because we also lost a comp pick with his signing.

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[quote=nonniey;1313561]The way I see it quality wise Norwell and Flowers were a wash when it comes to quality, so Norwell better damn well be cheaper because we also lost a comp pick with his signing.[/quote]

I don't think we lose a comp pick.

Norwell was scheduled to be under contract for 2022, but the Jaguars agreed to shorten the contract in exchange for a pay cut for 2021. Shortening contracts make the player ineligible to generate compensatory picks for his former team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1313518]Specifically, we need a Mike LB. IMO Devin Lloyd would be a good pick at 11, as you said. Christian Harris would be another good pick for MLB at #11. I also like Chad Muma and Troy Anderson in the second or third, respectively.[/quote]

i heard they like Lloyd alot

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John Keim:

Will be curious to see what happens with OT Cornelius Lucas. Washington has stayed in t
ouch and wants him back. Still testing market. Was a valuable swing tackle the past two years, an important role for any team that wants legit OL depth. Stay tuned.

I agree, Lucas played well as the swing and need him back

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[quote=Chico23231;1313573]John Keim:

Will be curious to see what happens with OT Cornelius Lucas. Washington has stayed in t
ouch and wants him back. Still testing market. Was a valuable swing tackle the past two years, an important role for any team that wants legit OL depth. Stay tuned.

I agree, Lucas played well as the swing and need him back[/quote]

Agreed. Lucas definitely earned an increased pay so I wouldn't mind if we give him a pretty penny.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1313551]I have a feeling we are trading the 11th pick down, with 5 picks they need more picks.[/QUOTE]


Well 6, but two 7th rounders. If Lloyd, Hamilton, or Sauce is there at 11 it is real hard to trade back. Those 3 are going to be day one impactful game changers.
Would depend on how far back and for what.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1313502]Sure it's fine but it's not like Ron has brought in any world beaters. I'd rather him bring in good durable players over players he's familiar with.[/quote]

Wasn't Norwell one of the top guards available? He's also a very good player and he's durable. So what's the issue?

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[quote=MTK;1313580]Wasn't Norwell one of the top guards available? He's also a very good player and he's durable. So what's the issue?[/quote]

He was the highest paid guard in the NFL when signing for the Jags, coming off an All Pro season. Subsequently he has not so much as made a Pro Bowl and the Jags fans have obviously soured on him

The postive perspective for commanders fans, which as he has signed is the best way to approach it, was that I believe his OL coach in his All Pro year in Carolina is now the OL coach in Washington

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Id rather have a really good G that is on the field than an all pro that isn’t. Its a win.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313581]He was the highest paid guard in the NFL when signing for the Jags, coming off an All Pro season. Subsequently he has not so much as made a Pro Bowl and the Jags fans have obviously soured on him

The postive perspective for commanders fans, which as he has signed is the best way to approach it, was that I believe his OL coach in his All Pro year in Carolina is now the OL coach in Washington[/quote]

Every FA list I've seen has him listed as a top 3-5 option at guard. Clearly there's more to signing him than just the Carolina connection.

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Per Ben Standing

Andrew Norwell's free-agent contract with the Commanders: 2-years, $10M with $4.7M guaranteed, per sources.

“Very smart, crafty football player,” Ron Rivera said of the 2017 All-Pro he coached in Carolina.

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[URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-andrew-norwell-to-the-washington?r=fd8sn&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web"]What does Andrew Norwell bring to the Washington Commanders?[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1313585]Per Ben Standing

Andrew Norwell's free-agent contract with the Commanders: 2-years, $10M with $4.7M guaranteed, per sources.

“Very smart, crafty football player,” Ron Rivera said of the 2017 All-Pro he coached in Carolina.[/quote]

Great deal IMO. Better than paying Flowers 10 mill.

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Plenty to complain about with this team. Getting a really good G on a great deal is not one of them. Lol. If you’re complaining about that you just wanna complain.

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[quote=punch it in;1313589]Plenty to complain about with this team. Getting a really good G on a great deal is not one of them. Lol. If you’re complaining about that you just wanna complain.[/quote]

A lot of people here want to complain just to complain.

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[quote=punch it in;1313583]Id rather have a really good G that is on the field than an all pro that isn’t. Its a win.[/quote]

Can I get an "Amen" on that?

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Amen

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1313592]A lot of people here want to complain just to complain.[/QUOTE]


Don’t get me wrong I love to complain, but usually there is something wrong. Lol. Aint nothin wrong with Newell.

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[quote=punch it in;1313602]Don’t get me wrong I love to complain, but usually there is something wrong. Lol. Aint nothin wrong with Newell.[/quote]

I complain a lot during games. LOL.

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[quote=MTK;1313580]Wasn't Norwell one of the top guards available? He's also a very good player and he's durable. So what's the issue?[/quote]

Idk if Norwell was one of the top guards or not. But one of the worst teams let him go. Now Ron signs him for half the money that Flowers is making. But did you get better there? If you sign a lesser player to save money then that is a bad signing.

I would have kept Flowers and worked the cap on some other contracts. Can they put the Wentz contract into later years?

Ron did the same thing last year w/ Moses. I am trying to keep as many good o-linemen as possible because you have a Qb that holds the ball and tends to take sacks. You have to protect your asset that you traded for.

The durability comment was in regards to Samuel. He couldn't play and never had 1,000 yards so so far terrible signing. I'd just play Carter cause he actually can play and is probably 1/10th the cost...lol.

Sorry but Ron the GM so far doesn't impress me.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJw9NQXMAUtBu-?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

So far we have had a good off season

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1313551]I have a feeling we are trading the 11th pick down, with 5 picks they need more picks.[/quote]

It all depends on who is sitting there at 11. If you have a potentially great player you draft him. Trading down to get a bunch of Taylor Jacobs doesn't do anything. lol.

I have a feeling that there is going to be a wr that can walk in and start. I think Wilson will be there at 11 and if he is you have to take him. You put Wilson, Terry and a hopefully healthy Samuel out there that is a potentially damn good 3 some. Now you can really put a lot of pressure on a defense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313607][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJw9NQXMAUtBu-?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

So far we have had a good off season[/quote]

LOL at the top and bottom teams... WTF was Seattle thinking?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313607][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJw9NQXMAUtBu-?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

So far we have had a good off season[/quote]

According to who?

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Browns receive:
• QB Deshaun Watson
• Texans 2022 4th Round Pick

Texans receive:
• Browns 2022 1st Round Pick
• Browns 2023 1st Round Pick
• Browns 2023 3rd Round Pick
• Browns 2024 1st Round Pick
• Browns 2024 4th Round Pick

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[quote=MTK;1313585]Per Ben Standing

Andrew Norwell's free-agent contract with the Commanders: 2-years, $10M with $4.7M guaranteed, per sources.

“Very smart, crafty football player,” Ron Rivera said of the 2017 All-Pro he coached in Carolina.[/quote]

Woaw. We figured he would be cheaper than Flowers. I didn't expect [I]that cheaper[/I] !!!

Sure keeping Flowers would've been nice... but is there any arguing that this was a very smart and good move now ?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1313633]According to who?[/QUOTE]


Russel Wilson and everyone who has ever heard of Russel Wilson. Lol.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1313603]I complain a lot during games. LOL.[/QUOTE]


That doesn’t count. Lol. All accusations of bitching, moaning, crying, complaining, cursing, and breaking stuff are off the table during games!
It is irrational hour.

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[quote=punch it in;1313637]Russel Wilson and everyone who has ever heard of Russel Wilson. Lol.[/quote]

I'm talking about who generated that chart

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1313645]I'm talking about who generated that chart[/QUOTE]


I know. Was making a joke. It failed. Id put Denver at the top just cus of Russ though.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1313645]I'm talking about who generated that chart[/quote]

I think it is a PFF thing, or something very similar

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[quote=Giantone;1313634]Browns receive:
• QB Deshaun Watson
• Texans 2022 4th Round Pick

Texans receive:
• Browns 2022 1st Round Pick
• Browns 2023 1st Round Pick
• Browns 2023 3rd Round Pick
• Browns 2024 1st Round Pick
• Browns 2024 4th Round Pick[/quote]

What happens when watson can't control his issue in Cleveland and they spent all that on him. Guy is a walking time bomb.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1313633]According to who?[/QUOTE]


PFF


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313607][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJw9NQXMAUtBu-?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

So far we have had a good off season[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. We've had great off seasons many times over the past 30 years and they all turned into pumpkins.