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[quote=JackLord;1307881]Really? Not saying your wrong, but the supply of decent linemen seems to be greater than top 10 QBs.[/quote]

The 91 OL gave up 9 sacks all year, that's almost unheard of in the modern era.

Getting 5 elite players is harder than getting 1.

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[quote=MTK;1307882]The 91 OL gave up 9 sacks all year, that's almost unheard of in the modern era.

Getting 5 elite players is harder than getting 1.[/quote]

When you put it in those terms ....

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Offensive lines seem easier to build nowadays.

QBs are much more mobile.

Offensive coordinators seem to be able to get their primary reads open

Offensive schemes seems to be quick pass concepts and screens, screens and more screens neutralizing a pass rusher

Big guys are more athletic and plentiful. Theres always decent to good OL avail in FA age 28 and older

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WFT QBs were sacked over 40 times this year.

I think neither is really that easy to acquire - a top 10 QB / or an elite OL. Anyway, they complement each other. An OL can make the QB look better, and vice versa.

I'd put my efforts toward finding that top 10 QB, before trying to put together five O linemen that are all - say - top 10 at their position.

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Having read many of the responses, I kind of have to modify my opinion a little. I would like to see Sherff back but I am seeing the same things as we saw with Cousins. He says he wants to end his career here but has turned down every contract offer. I agree with the injury concerns several posters have and there is a point where the cost is not worth the investment.

Cousins did and said the same things. He was never going to stay in Washington and wanted to go to the Vikings. I stand corrected as to where Cousins went to college.

As for quarterback, Watson would be really, really expensive and really, really good. From a couple things I have read, I question whether he would come here willingly. I have read that he wants to go to Miami although I understand the coach he liked got fired. I also read that if that coach wound up in Philly, Watson would probably be headed there. In that case, Washington and New York could be occupying the bottom two places for many years to come.

I hope they dump Samuels. He has been a wasted acquisition.

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This is pretty hilarious

[url]https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1481314100697341957?s=20[/url]

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Scherff is gone. It is what it is.

I wouldn't dump Samuels, but I would draft a WR.

I would say Watson is not out of the question, but it does sound like his preference is Miami. I don't understand why (or believe) he will just follow Flores wherever he goes - should he get another HC gig.

Until I hear otherwise I have to believe that Rodgers and Wilson are in play. They have to be and should be. They are all long shots, and probably return to their respective teams. If they can't lure one of those three, then go after tier two (Carr, Ryan, Garrapolo, Winston) and draft a QB after Round 1.

If they do this, I'll be happy. If they aren't big players in any trade/free agent opportunity for one of the "big 3", then I'll be pretty disappointed.

First things first though, get Scary Terry under a long term deal. That would help lure a QB.

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[quote=mooby;1307888]This is pretty hilarious

[url]https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1481314100697341957?s=20[/url][/quote]

Again look at that chart love to see Tau behind our line.

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I'd accept Ryan because he'd hopefully be walking in behind a good to great OL (which they've struggled to provide him in Atlanta), and you know with the right guys to throw to he's still go t2+ years in the tank. If you can sign someone like him, then the pressure is reduced to find a franchise QB in this draft. Wait until '23. But I firmly believe Carr stays in LV, Rodgers stays in GB, Wilson stays in Seattle if Carrol is still there, and Watson probably won't talk to us (plus I agree it's not a good look for a team with our troubles employing an alleged sex offender). I think Garrapolo would be a band aid and no better than Fitz would have been; look at the offensive weapons he's had in SF and he hasn't exactly shone. I'd actually suggest Winston will stay in NO, as neither of his backups are the answer and he actually looked good before he got hurt. If he doesn't I'd consider him, but again, he's just a band aid until we can draft our guy.

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IF Jimmy G ( or any of the others in his category)had started the season with us would we have made the playoffs ? I ask because we only missed by 2 games and had a bad start with the D.. just trying to figure out if a middle of pack QB can at least get us in the mix until we can draft the Guy..

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We will come from this off-season with a young QB and a stud #2 WR.......possibly a few good young linemen.....the ingredients for the defense is there......I want to see Cole Holcomb and Jamin Davis switch positions......

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[quote=MTK;1307882]The 91 OL gave up 9 sacks all year, that's almost unheard of in the modern era.

Getting 5 elite players is harder than getting 1.[/quote]

That's an amazing stat. 9 in an entire season is hard to believe.

It would be interesting to see the run/pass break down for the 90s NFL vs the 2020s NFL. It seems like the NFL in the 90s was still a run-first league but that could be a misconception.

I think its harder to keep sacks low these days because teams pass more and now the high paid defense players are CBs and DEs who are pass stopping specialists. In the 90s defense was designed to stop the run, today they are designed to stop the pass. You are correct, getting 5 elite pass blockers is very hard. Bottom line this team needs a QB to compete in the modern NFL.

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[QUOTE=irish;1307905]It would be interesting to see the run/pass break down for the 90s NFL vs the 2020s NFL. It seems like the NFL in the 90s was still a run-first league but that could be a misconception. [/QUOTE]

It was. Rule changes have made passing easier since then.

This is 8 years old, and even then the trend was heavily towards passing over the last 20-30 years. [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1786937-is-this-the-most-explosive-era-of-offense-in-nfl-history"]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1786937-is-this-the-most-explosive-era-of-offense-in-nfl-history[/URL]

Agree on the increase in importance of DL and DB's but it's also worth noting the trends in athleticism. DL in particular have been getting faster while maintaining ideal playing weights; look at Montez Sweat. Technique has generally improved too. 80's and 90's was very much about power to overcome blockers, largely to defeat the run game. Now finesse is just as, if not more important.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1307894]IF Jimmy G ( or any of the others in his category)had started the season with us would we have made the playoffs ? I ask because we only missed by 2 games and had a bad start with the D.. just trying to figure out if a middle of pack QB can at least get us in the mix until we can draft the Guy..[/QUOTE]

That's what I was saying. Ryan, Jimmy G, Winston etc. would all be band aids, which is fine if they have a plan to definitely get a top QB in 2023. Ryan could definitely come in here and make us instantly competitive in the division. Not convinced on the others in that group though.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1307910]That's what I was saying. Ryan, Jimmy G, Winston etc. would all be band aids, which is fine if they have a plan to definitely get a top QB in 2023. Ryan could definitely come in here and make us instantly competitive in the division. Not convinced on the others in that group though.[/quote]

im not sold on bringing a statue in here... as good as this OL "ranks" i've seen a hell of enough times where TH was running for his life within 2 seconds and complete protection breakdowns plenty as well. This line is a losing schreff and one injury away from being subpar as a lot of other middle of the packs lines which until they improve and show on a more consistent basis? Is what they are to me.

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[quote=Meks;1307931]im not sold on bringing a statue in here... as good as this OL "ranks" i've seen a hell of enough times where TH was running for his life within 2 seconds and complete protection breakdowns plenty as well. This line is a losing schreff and one injury away from being subpar as a lot of other middle of the packs lines which until they improve and show on a more consistent basis? Is what they are to me.[/quote]

I sort of agree, but wouldn't bringing a proven commodity here, especially Ryan, have it's own benefits? Veteran savvy in handling pressure packages, proven leader, improved capacity to attract good FA's etc. Of course we need to make it happen first, and I'd certainly spend at least one pick on an OL.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1307933]I sort of agree, but wouldn't bringing a proven commodity here, especially Ryan, have it's own benefits? Veteran savvy in handling pressure packages, proven leader, improved capacity to attract good FA's etc. Of course we need to make it happen first, and I'd certainly spend at least one pick on an OL.[/quote]

However they do it they have to get a legit QB. They just cant compete with Heinicke starting.

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[quote=Meks;1307931]im not sold on bringing a statue in here... as good as this OL "ranks" [B]i've seen a hell of enough times where TH was running for his life within 2 seconds and complete protection breakdowns plenty as well.[/B] This line is a losing schreff and one injury away from being subpar as a lot of other middle of the packs lines which until they improve and show on a more consistent basis? Is what they are to me.[/quote]

It was like that when [I]depleted with injuries and covid[/I].

Leno is slow and gave up a couple of sacks because of it, but overall he does the job well (locking him is a smart move, especially given the price).

Our [I]starting line up[/I] Leno - Flowers (big fan) - Roullier - Scherff - Cosmi was [I]really good[/I].

Take the [I]right part out[/I] and put Lucas and Schweitzer (the later is really really good IMO, high quality back up to "ok with him as a starter"ish) and we were [I]still ok[/I].

Take [I]Roullier out[/I] and we were still [I]kinda ok[/I] with Larsen or Schweitzer at C.

Now take [I]Larsen, Schweitzer and Flowers out[/I] and yes the OL started to suck ass with the only starting OL being their slow LT.
At times the line up was Leno - Charles - Ismael - banged up Scherff - Lucas...

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Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1307978]Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28.[/QUOTE]


Definitely agree. The OL was much better than expected

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1307978]Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28.[/quote]

I 3rd this. Be nice to extend them each for 2 more years on top of their last year.

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Oh, and there are [URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/linebacker/available/"]trillions of quality UFA LBs[/URL], no excuse to not bring at the very least one this year...
KJ Wright (again), Hightower, Barr, Ingram, Kirksey, Minter, Alexander, Ogletree, Jamie Collins etc... Even Nick Vigil who I saw making plays for the Vikings could be signed on the cheap for quality depth/competition.

If we don't bring at least 2/3 LBs through FA and draft I will start to lose a lot of faith in this regime.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1307986]Oh, and there are [URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/linebacker/available/"]trillions of quality UFA LBs[/URL], no excuse to not bring at the very least one this year...
KJ Wright (again), Hightower, Barr, Ingram, Kirksey, Minter, Alexander, Ogletree, Jamie Collins etc... Even Nick Vigil who I saw making plays for the Vikings could be signed on the cheap for quality depth/competition.

If we don't bring at least 2/3 LBs through FA and draft I will start to lose a lot of faith in this regime.[/quote]

I keep hearing Bobby Wagner might be cut by Seattle, if that’s the case I would be all over him like a cheap suit.

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AJ Johnson might be a nice addition.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1307987]I keep hearing Bobby Wagner might be cut by Seattle, if that’s the case I would be all over him like a cheap suit.[/quote]

I'll trust them to evaluate which veteran fits their scheme best (they did sign WJ3 to ask him to do [URL="https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1480877148550283266"]things he had "never done before"[/URL], but I don't watch 2% of the tape they study, so their opinion is still more educated than mine), but I want significant signings at this position. Not just a couple of UDFA and low key no name vets...

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Really hope Juste can come back and play all season next year. Imma fan. No more concussions, please, for his health most importantly, but also for the team.

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I was concerned about age etc. with Wagner, but he had more combined tackles this year than any other year in his career. At 31. Colour me impressed. If we could pick him up, I'd certainly take the staff more seriously. Yes we need depth too, but immediately I'd be reassured if our day 1 line up was Holcomb, Wagner and Davis. We could then grab the best FS we can get in the draft.

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[quote=Chico23231;1307875]Listening to Richmond reporter Michael Phillips on Sheehan…he is right, it’s time to go big for QB. Rodgers, Wilson, Watson.

U make a big offer.[/quote]

Rodgers LOL, Wilson maybe and as for Watson you know the NFL isn't done with him yet .

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[quote=Giantone;1307997]Rodgers LOL, Wilson maybe and as for Watson you know the NFL isn't done with him yet .[/quote]

Wilson listed his top teams and it was the Giants and Saints

Our fan base has large pipe dreams..

NONE of the 3 guys mentioned are coming to Washington

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1307991]Really hope Juste can come back and play all season next year. Imma fan. No more concussions, please, for his health most importantly, but also for the team.[/quote]

Scary.

I cant remember another player being out so long for concussions except for Jordan Reed

I wouldnt count on St Juste being one of your starters next season.

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[quote=SunnySide;1308015]Scary.

I cant remember another player being out so long for concussions except for Jordan Reed

I wouldnt count on St Juste being one of your starters next season.[/quote]

If I recall it was one concussion but he kept feeling the effects so they shut him down to fully recover. It's not a given he's another Reed, but its not a given he isn't. I wouldn't rule him out just yet.

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Rivera mentioned it in his end of season meetings, it was two concussions in quick succession and they shut him down telling him something like his career will be longer if he takes care of himself now

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[url]https://washingtonfootballwire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/washington-football-team-offensive-line-grades-out-as-one-of-the-best-in-the-nfl-in-2021/[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1308085][url]https://washingtonfootballwire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/washington-football-team-offensive-line-grades-out-as-one-of-the-best-in-the-nfl-in-2021/[/url][/quote]

The six games they lost Scherff was out, more to resign him. He’s our best OL.

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If you don't want him, we'll gladly take him.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nick-caserio-cast-doubt-davis-175400337.html[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308254]If you don't want him, we'll gladly take him.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nick-caserio-cast-doubt-davis-175400337.html[/url][/quote]

Only scenario I see them sitting Mills is if they repair the Watson relationship, and possibly the only way that happens is if they bring in Flores. They have a potential franchise QB currently starting, aside from Watson no replacement in the building, and holes in the roster. If they spend their high pick on a QB they'd be fools. I agree I'd take Mills for a reasonable price if available, I just don't see it happening. The article smacks of a smokescreen, or at the least, letting potential coaches that they are not going to be precious about Mills if the new guy wants his own man.

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We all know what this means, Snyder has entered the chat

@JPFinlay

Interesting from
@BMitchliveNBCS
about Washington's search for a QB - "I think it's more than just football people that are pushing for a QB....They got to make a splash"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1307998]Wilson listed his top teams and it was the Giants and Saints

Our fan base has large pipe dreams..

NONE of the 3 guys mentioned are coming to Washington[/quote]

Or NY. Wilson likes Carroll Giants don't want the Watson drama and frankly they can't afford any of them. Giants are in a bad CAP space for next season but as of right now will be #1 in cap space in 2023. Maybe draft a QB in one of the later rounds. Giants as of now have 11 picks , two of which are #1's(Bears)

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[quote=MTK;1308308]We all know what this means, Snyder has entered the chat

@JPFinlay

Interesting from
@BMitchliveNBCS
about Washington's search for a QB - "I think it's more than just football people that are pushing for a QB....They got to make a splash"[/quote]

Here we fucking go again

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[quote=Chico23231;1308313]Here we fucking go again[/quote]

we all knew this would happen.
different name, same shit.