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[quote=Chico23231;1262254]This...Holcomb and Charles especially. I think these two could be future pieces, play their ass.

[B]I heard Bostic was garbage Sunday? True?[/B][/quote]

Yop.

Love him, usually a tough mofo and a good tackler. None of that on Sunday, caught out of place a lot and missed tackles...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1262249]He didnt play against Baltimore, also I wonder how much the injury affected him.[/quote]

Stop talking sense! Now that he's hurt and can't play at 100% it's time to start trashing him and suggesting that we should have taken a QB at #2. Well, in real life he's the player we drafted and I think he'll be a great player. When he's fully healed he'll be back to terrorizing QB's.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1262248]Moving forward, what will make this team better the rest of the season:

Start Holcomb at LB
Replace Martin with either Schwitzer or Garnett when Scherff returns
Bench Apke and promote Jeremy Reaves from the PS
Put Charles at LT, let’s see what he can do[/quote]

You've got my vote, SF.

What's the status of Charles' calf injury? It's taking a long time for him to get on the field. Was half of his calf blown off by a grenade or something?

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1262270]Stop talking sense! Now that he's hurt and can't play at 100% it's time to start trashing him and suggesting that we should have taken a QB at #2. Well, in real life he's the player we drafted and I think he'll be a great player. When he's fully healed he'll be back to terrorizing QB's.[/QUOTE]

This!

Why are so many ripping into every element of the team? He's probably playing hurt, and besides that, now teams have film on us and we're pretty one dimensional, doesn't it occur to people that teams are attacking our weak spots, negating what we did do well in week 1?

We have no offense, so the D is on the field far too long, and within that the LB and DB core is weak, particularly at S, so they are attacking the middle of the field. I've only looked at the 'high' lights from the Rams game, but Goff needed less than 3 seconds to throw on nearly every drop back and that includes the long TD that Collins got burnt on (Smith, by comparison seemed to have less than 2.5 seconds to set up and throw EVERY time). Pass rush didn't have time to get there.

And on Sweat's sack at least, CY was double teamed AND chipped by the RB. If he's getting DT'd regularly then the rest of the line need to step up. But even then, if the back 7 can't cover, then the DL won't have time to reach the QB anyway.

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QB and OL is the best medicine this team needs .. you guys are correct without Pass protection it does not matter really who is back there unless it’s Lamar Jackson and can run .. our O line is the worst in the nfl ...need to fix OL through free agency and after QB start drafting OL !! We can find a DB in free agency..I would like to see Allen play well enough to be a solid backup ... I have to say though there is some bad football teams out there .. the entire NFC east , jets , bengals,falcons ... whew

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I would have liked to see a full game out of Kyle Allen. Don't know what Ron was thinking in not putting him back in since he was cleared to play. He said he wanted to protect Allen by playing the guy who had 17 leg surgeries instead?? I'm sorry but Ron is starting to lose me.

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[quote=MTK;1262280]I would have liked to see a full game out of Kyle Allen. Don't know what Ron was thinking in not putting him back in since he was cleared to play. He said he wanted to protect Allen by playing the guy who had 17 leg surgeries instead?? I'm sorry but Ron is starting to lose me.[/quote]

Yeah I was all on the RR train but his decision making so far has been very questionable.. He says "I believe in Dwayne and it's his job" then benches him a week later.

Last week "We have a shot at this thing" Goes out and gets rolled by the Rams.

After the game "We just have to keep getting better and I really believe we are"

Dude stop the bullshit, this team is garbage and we just need to go 1-15 to grab the #1 or #2 pick. Stop with the mixed messages

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[quote=MTK;1262280]I would have liked to see a full game out of Kyle Allen. Don't know what Ron was thinking in not putting him back in since he was cleared to [B]play. He said he wanted to protect Allen by playing the guy who had 17 leg surgeries instead?? I'm sorry but Ron is starting to lose me.[/B][/quote]

I’m with you. I hope Ron steps away and gets the treatment he needs. His press conferences have become comedy hour. I’m gonna give him a mulligan this year, just get better dude.

And, The faster Alex Smith and Haskins are off the team the better

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I mean does anybody really believe we're competing for a division title? We've lost 7 straight by double digits, we're literally 1 more away from setting a new NFL record. How about we lose a game by single digits first?

I think Ron is just conducting tryouts right now, hoping someone will step up and seize a job. Way too many holes on this roster to actually compete for a division title.

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[quote=Chico23231;1262282]I’m with you. I hope Ron steps away and gets the treatment he needs. His press conferences have become comedy hour. I’m gonna give him a mulligan this year, just get better dude.

And, The faster Alex Smith and Haskins are off the team the better[/quote]

I know the consensus is that his cancer treatment isn't affecting his ability to coach or lead the team, but realistically of course it is to some extent.

Just hope this isn't another situation where an injured athlete (or coach in our case) thinks he needs to be out there because it shows toughness. It's like Jimmy G in SF, the boy is injured and needs to heal, but he wants to show he can play through the pain even though he's hurting the team worse with his ineffective play.

If Ron needs to step away to focus on his treatment I am sure everyone would give him full support to do so.

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[quote=mooby;1262283]I mean does anybody really believe we're competing for a division title? We've lost 7 straight by double digits, we're literally 1 more away from setting a new NFL record. How about we lose a game by single digits first?

I think Ron is just conducting tryouts right now, hoping someone will step up and seize a job. Way too many holes on this roster to actually compete for a division title.[/quote]

Most of us (99%) knew we would not win the division.. It's his messages that are the BS

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I’m worried that if RR gets covid it could be really really bad... maybe he needs to take a leave of absence for his health sake .

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Ron is a mess. He is like a flickering light bulb and has no idea how to run the game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262289]Ron is a mess. He is like a flickering light bulb and has no idea how to run the game.[/quote]

I'll wait a couple years to let him build his own team but yeah I'm not too optimistic after the last 4 games

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262285]Most of us (99%) knew we would not win the division.. [B]It's his messages that are the BS[/B][/quote]

How are his messages any different from what every other coach tells the media?

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[quote=mooby;1262291]How are his messages any different from what every other coach tells the media?[/quote]

Because he goes back on his word "Dwayne is the guy" Benches him a week later lol.

"We can compete for this division" Literally gave up in 2 games this yr.

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[quote=mooby;1262283]I mean does anybody really believe we're competing for a division title? We've lost 7 straight by double digits, we're literally 1 more away from setting a new NFL record. How about we lose a game by single digits first?

I think Ron is just conducting tryouts right now, hoping someone will step up and seize a job. Way too many holes on this roster to actually compete for a division title.[/quote]

4 = number of wins our next 6 opponents have combined (4 against NFCE)
1 = number of games back

I can see how Ron thought coming into this year it would be an eval year. Then the NFCE shits the bed, he looks at the schedule and thinks there is a chance that they could actually make something of this season.

So he thinks if Kyle Allen can just run the playbook, defense plays decent .... theres a chance.

not so crazy talk ... theres still a chance. We could very well be 6-6 if we go 4-2 over the next 6.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262293]Because he goes back on his word "Dwayne is the guy" Benches him a week later lol.

"We can compete for this division" Literally gave up in 2 games this yr.[/quote]

LOL I'm still failing to see how he's different than any other coach.

First two weeks Haskins wasn't gloating about his 300 yard game despite the fact we've lost every goddamn game by double digits this year.

Circumstances change, people change their decisions. Get over it. We have no idea what happened in that locker room, whose to say other players didn't get tired of Haskins shit and go to the coach?

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[quote=SunnySide;1262297]4 = number of wins our next 6 opponents have combined (4 against NFCE)
1 = number of games back

I can see how Ron thought coming into this year it would be an eval year. Then the NFCE shits the bed, he looks at the schedule and thinks there is a chance that they could actually make something of this season.

So he thinks if Kyle Allen can just run the playbook, defense plays decent .... theres a chance.

not so crazy talk ... theres still a chance. We could very well be 6-6 if we go 4-2 over the next 6.[/quote]

This is true. Teams get hot all the time, and I'm not gonna count us out until we're past the 8 loss threshold. But at some point the on-field performance needs to change drastically.

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You guys are just hot right now because we've lost 4 in a row and looked terrible in all 4. No easy solutions right now. Just have to work hard to get out of it.

Give us a win next week and I bet the tone around here does a complete 180. All this "Ron doesn't know what he's doing" talk will go out the window, even if it is only for 1 week.

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[quote=mooby;1262301]This is true. Teams get hot all the time, and I'm not gonna count us out until we're past the 8 loss threshold. But at some point the on-field performance needs to change drastically.[/quote]

Todd Collins 2.0.

If Kyle can just move the chains and the D can win the LOS .. then who knows.

I do not think we will make the playoffs or be near .500 though.

I honestly just wanted to ride Haskins, Martin, Christian, Moreland, Moreau, the WRs as long as possible so we are confident in our decision on whether they can be considered starters or need upgrading next year. All while collecting a top 5 draft pick for next year that could be used to address QB, LT or CB.

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I agree that the messaging has been mixed at best, but I too am willing to give RR a mulligan of sorts this year, just given the circumstances of everything he is dealing with.

I am fine with keeping A Smith in the game despite K Allen being cleared. That was not a love tap he took on the sideline, and just because you're "cleared" to play, doesn't mean that is in your best interest.

I'm done with the talk about A Smith, and whether he should play because of the devastating injury he had. He rehabbed - extensively, the doctors say he can play, he wants to play, so if he's capable and his number is up, then he plays. That is all.

It's really simple to me. All this talk about let's use this year to evaluate the roster, blah, blah, blah. You can't do that...you can't NOT try to win the games, because you want to have a season long tryout. No, you go out and you try to win them all. You put in the players that give you the best chance to do that. That doesn't mean you don't give your first round QB a chance to prove he is the guy, but four games in you have to agree that he isn't. K Allen is the guy that gives this team the best chance to win right now, and it appears that the job is his for now - so long as he's healthy.

It's ridiculous to even think that this team is still in the race to win the Division, but that is how things have shaken out so far. Leave the tanking to the NBA. I hope they find a formula to go win some games, and gain some momentum going forward and into the offseason, whether they win the Division or not. That is more important than "trying" to lose so you can better your draft position. That is just stupid and always has been.

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Good piece here. Read it all.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2020/10/13/washington-football-team-not-tank/[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1262303]You guys are just hot right now because we've lost 4 in a row and looked terrible in all 4. No easy solutions right now. Just have to work hard to get out of it.

Give us a win next week and I bet the tone around here does a complete 180. All this "Ron doesn't know what he's doing" talk will go out the window, even if it is only for 1 week.[/quote]

He may very well know perfectly what he's doing from a football standpoint, and I actually kinda like the fact that he doesn't seem to give a F what we and the media think.

But in game management and communication have been a mess. The whole developmental year thing, throwing the towel 3 halves in a row, having the QB take in game test on 4th and goal from the 13 instead of making the game a 2 possession one... and then saying he's benching him to try to go for the division and because there's frustration on the sidelines.

I also hate the leaks being back (the meeting with Dwayne before the Ravens game, then Dwayne's work ethic etc...).

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1262354]Good piece here. Read it all.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2020/10/13/washington-football-team-not-tank/[/url][/quote]

Very relevant and good read for the fans of tanking here. I also agree with your above post. And I don't have any defense for Rivera's not trying to win games early on, but it's not going to be a big deal to me unless it continues the entire year.

@French: I hate to say it because I hate the leaks too, but that's been a long time part of the culture around here and it's going to take more than a HC change to change that going forward.

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[quote=mooby;1262378]Very relevant and good read for the fans of tanking here. I also agree with your above post. And I don't have any defense for Rivera's not trying to win games early on, but it's not going to be a big deal to me unless it continues the entire year.

@French: I hate to say it because I hate the leaks too, but that's been a long time part of the culture around here and [B]it's going to take more than a HC change to change that going forward[/B].[/quote]

You're probably 100% right... but the beginning of the season had me hoping the culture change was already a thing. Maybe it's just not to that extent yet...

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[quote=SunnySide;1262297]4 = number of wins our next 6 opponents have combined (4 against NFCE)
1 = number of games back

I can see how Ron thought coming into this year it would be an eval year. Then the NFCE shits the bed, he looks at the schedule and thinks there is a chance that they could actually make something of this season.

So he thinks if Kyle Allen can just run the playbook, defense plays decent .... theres a chance.

not so crazy talk ... theres still a chance. We could very well be 6-6 if we go 4-2 over the next 6.[/quote]

This is true...but my issue is we don’t look like a competent football, much less competitive. Also, my big takeaway from 5 weeks is we are lacking talent at the and have vastly overpaid for guys giving us nothing.

Cooley brought this up, our top 3 big cap hits we get nothing from:

Alex Smith .... bigly mistake. He can’t play at all, he’s god awful

Collins...paid as a top 5 safety, plays like a JAG

RK...great first game, nothing since.

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Some of you are real optimistic. Not sure why. This team has like 4 good players.

What is the situation w/ Foster and Holcolm? I'd get them on the field. The LB are serious JAGS. They remind me of Mason Foster types.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262384]Some of you are real optimistic. Not sure why. This team has like 4 good players.

What is the situation w/ Foster and Holcolm? I'd get them on the field. The LB are serious JAGS. They remind me of Mason Foster types.[/quote]

Logan Thomas is the mason foster of Tight ends

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262384]Some of you are real optimistic. Not sure why. This team has like 4 good players.

What is the situation w/ Foster and Holcolm? I'd get them on the field. The LB are serious JAGS. They remind me of Mason Foster types.[/quote]

Yeah this is why I said 6-10 tops and hell they won't even get to 6 wins.. I was way too high on RR and Del Rio, IMO both have not impressed

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[quote=Chico23231;1262385]Logan Thomas is the mason foster of Tight ends[/quote]

Alex Smith will target him 10 times a game soon

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[quote=Chico23231;1262385]Logan Thomas is the mason foster of Tight ends[/quote]

It is a total epic failure to have a college QB who has never done anything at TE come in and be your starter. You have Thomas and Sprinke as your TE's. Any arm chair GM could find better solutions than these two. There are guys that went undrafted that had to be better than these two.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262391]It is a total epic failure to have a college QB who has never done anything at TE come in and be your starter. You have Thomas and Sprinke as your TE's. Any arm chair GM could find better solutions than these two. There are guys that went undrafted that had to be better than these two.[/quote]

When folks on here were saying "TE isn't that big of a deal" They now know why most of us were bitching about it all off season.

There is maybe 4 legit starters on the offense.

Terry
Gibson
Moses
BS (when he is healthy)

This roster is as bad as we've ever seen

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262386]Yeah this is why I said 6-10 tops and hell they won't even get to 6 wins.. I was way too high on RR and Del Rio, IMO both have not impressed[/quote]

Allen and Payne have been huge failures. I thought the 4-3 would help them makes more plays. Outside of week 1 they're not doing much. I watched Donald dominate the game last week, just wrecked our offense - and Allen and Payne can't do shit, can't touch Donald.

And if you're Scott Turner why did he leave Martin alone blocking Donald? How stupid can you be?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262394]Allen and Payne have been huge failures. I thought the 4-3 would help them makes more plays. Outside of week 1 they're not doing much. I watched Donald dominate the game last week, just wrecked our offense - and Allen and Payne can't do shit, can't touch Donald.

And if you're Scott Turner why did he leave Martin alone blocking Donald? How stupid can you be?[/quote]

I have been saying for 2 years now that Allen isn't very good. He literally goes games without making an impact... The "Bama wall" is soft as fuck

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262394]Allen and Payne have been huge failures. I thought the 4-3 would help them makes more plays. Outside of week 1 they're not doing much. I watched Donald dominate the game last week, just wrecked our offense - and Allen and Payne can't do shit, can't touch Donald.

[B]And if you're Scott Turner why did he leave Martin alone blocking Donald? How stupid can you be?[/B][/quote]

The Turner hiring is looking bad so far.. I hope this doesn't mean Rivera will become the next Gruden - couldn't find a right coordinator to save his job (defense coordinator in Gruden's case).

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1262379]You're probably 100% right... but the beginning of the season had me hoping the culture change was already a thing. Maybe it's just not to that extent yet...[/QUOTE]

Depends on whether the leaks are sanctioned by RR or not. There could be staff remaining from the previous regime trying to undermine him or just not bought in to the new regime. If he's sanctioning the leaks, then he's a) playing the game most others do anyway and/or b) its a direct undermining of Snyder.

If its the latter he could be just doing it to keep Snyder out of the kitchen ("See Dan, this is why we need the culture change and you need to leave me to run the football operation"). I'm not sold that he'd be deliberately trying to get Snyder to take the blame ("It's his culture") and accelerate the sale of the team.

In reality culture change doesn't happen overnight, except if you have a massive cull (night of the long knives style?!). I wouldn't be surprised if there were remnants of the BA era still muddying the waters. OTOH I'd expect them to be exposed by leaks like these and RR and Jason Wright to be in the process of rooting them out. If so, then they'll be handled the usual way; public firing if they want a message sent (though given the outside view of the franchise that could be pouring on fuel) or they'll be ushered out quietly and the leaks will just dry up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262396]I have been saying for 2 years now that Allen isn't very good. He literally goes games without making an impact... The "Bama wall" is soft as fuck[/quote]

I gotta stick up for our boys here. Allen had something like 8 tackles last week, yes they were quiet tackles as I didnt notice him impacting the game watching it live. Payne is causing disruption, collapsing the pocket at times.

Allen and Payne are very good IDL. Just because they are not turning into an Aaron Donald or Fletcher Cox like we hoped, doesnt mean they arent carrying their weight. Last year and this year, you do not see teams try to run up the middle very much. Allen and Payne force teams to run at the edges and outside. Having players which force the other teams coaches to scheme around is a plus and a compliment.

Unfortunately ... I do think we over invested our resources in DL. We are not going to be able to resign Allen (1 year left after this) and Payne (2 yrs).

They are both plus players but I would like to see more of them beating their guy off the line when its 1 v 1.

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Watching rewind of game ... I can’t believe how bad this team looked ... wow

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[quote=rocnrik;1262419]Watching rewind of game ... I can’t believe how bad this team looked ... wow[/quote]

I watched the A22 and had to turn it off