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[quote=FrenchSkin;1251164]Sheehan said something that I think is worth mentioning:

The Redskins signed the [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/undrafted-free-agent-tracker-2020-rookie-signings-from-all-32-nfl-teams-in-one-spot-following-nfl-draft/"]least amount of UDFA in the league[/URL], with 4... the second least being 7, most teams having signed 10/15 players, the Ravens leading the league with 22 UDFAs.

Not sure it's gonna mean anything come September... but I do think it's telling of a different approach. I think Rivera wants to evaluate this roster almost "as it is now".

Also may be according to his coach centered approach.[/quote]

Probably a good idea to go to camp or OTAs with a smaller team. It will be easier to evaluate and implement a new team system.

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I'm expecting the Skins to add one or two more NFL FA's. Probably a LT. They may sniff out a trade for a surplus TE with a team that drafted a TE (NE picked two of them). They'll certainly be taking a hard look at late cuts.

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I wouldn't be surprised if we still land OJ Howard somehow

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251175]I'm expecting the Skins to add one or two more NFL FA's. Probably a LT. They may sniff out a trade for a surplus TE with a team that drafted a TE (NE picked two of them). They'll certainly be taking a hard look at late cuts.[/quote]

Yeah I definitely hope we bring in a proven vet LT.

But you usually have so many camp body type UDFAs that it's hard to remember all the names... none of that this year it seems !

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There is no way Tampa brings Gronk, Brate and Howard into camp.

People kinda forget, Arians has not featured TE in the offense.Will this change with Brady, with an established relationship with a top 5 HOF Gronk...of course, but Brate or Howard one of them is going. Either Brate gets cut/traded or Howard gets traded. It’s a matter of time.

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Re Charles.

The pick seems similar to 3rd round Geron Christian.

- Good size/long/athletic
- Needs work/polish
- Needs to add strength
- Project but has upside

1 of these 2 hopefully pan out.

I want us to draft O lineman but I really think, if you want a stud anchor LT, you have to take the cream of the crop in the 1st round or early 2nd. There are some good to great LT taken round 3 and later but the chances are much lower.

Id go G and C after round 2.

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Can someone explain to me what's so good about OJ Howard? If he was a really good TE don't you think he would have more than a season high of 34 catches? If he was really good don't you think the coaches would try and get the ball to him a bit more?

With that being said he's probably better than anyone we have. But it just seems to me that RR is content with who we have.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1251182]Can someone explain to me what's so good about OJ Howard? If he was a really good TE don't you think he would have more than a season high of 34 catches? If he was really good don't you think the coaches would try and get the ball to him a bit more?

With that being said he's probably better than anyone we have. But it just seems to me that RR is content with who we have.[/quote]

Im not sure either?

Other than the tremendous hype he had as a draft prospect.
I guess people still view him as a 1st round talent and not view/judge him on what he has done for the past 2-3 years in the league.

I wouldnt give anything more than a 5th.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1251182]Can someone explain to me what's so good about OJ Howard? If he was a really good TE don't you think he would have more than a season high of 34 catches? If he was really good don't you think the coaches would try and get the ball to him a bit more?

With that being said he's probably better than anyone we have. But it just seems to me that RR is content with who we have.[/quote]

Better than what we have, but he hasn't lived up to the hype at all. I wouldn't trade anything for him, he's a release candidate at this point.

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[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HowaO.00.htm[/url]

Rookie year, ok not terrible.

In 2018 he got hurt second half of year, but was considered have a top 5 TE year. He graded out at 89 on PFF “elite”. Was on pace 56 catches and over 900 yards receiving.

Last year was a coaching change and new offense which doesn’t feature the TE. Still not a terrible year while still splitting time with Brate.

Guy was regarded highly coming out and obviously needs a change of scenery

I’m kinda lost how some think he’s not needed on this team? Have you seen the roster and look at Howard salary cap number...it’s nothing.

Get him on the fucking team NOW

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[quote=Chico23231;1251186][url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HowaO.00.htm[/url]

Rookie year, ok not terrible.

In 2018 he got hurt second half of year, but was considered have a top 5 TE year. He graded out at 89 on PFF “elite”. Was on pace 56 catches and over 900 yards receiving.

Last year was a coaching change and new offense which doesn’t feature the TE. Still not a terrible year while still splitting time with Brate.

Guy was regarded highly coming out and obviously needs a change of scenery

I’m kinda lost how some think he’s not needed on this team? Have you seen the roster and look at Howard salary cap number...it’s nothing.

Get him on the fucking team NOW[/quote]

Bingo

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Unfortunately, Howard struggled to find a niche in Bruce Arians’ offense, at least when it comes to personal statistics. Howard had just 34 receptions for 459 yards and one touchdown. His best catch of the year didn’t even come during an NFL game, but rather an MLB game. Howard even found himself in Arians’ doghouse early in the season for his lackluster play.

But, according to [B]ESPN[/B], Howard did a great job in one particular area this year. In their 2019 advanced statistics awards, ESPN said that according to the stats,[B] Howard was the league’s best pass-blocking tight end.[/B]

“Bucs coach Bruce Arians never relied on Howard all that much as a receiver this season. [B]But the young tight end did play a role in the passing game with a 98% PBWR (pass block win rate[/B]).”

[url]https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/16/this-o-j-howard-stat-proves-he-was-an-effective-tight-end-this-year/[/url]

Thats juicy.

Wish I knew his run block win rate bc on passing plays, ideally he would be running a route more times than staying and blocking.

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If Brate is cut, I’d take him too. Solid vet who would start immediately

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I would pick up Howard in a second. He was a stud in college, injuries and being drafted by a not so good team before Arians was a bad combo.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgGCLCBwzHU[/url]

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The Buccaneers had discussions in February about trading Howard to Washington in exchange for left tackle Trent Williams, Jenna Laine of ESPN.com reports.

The teams obviously were unable to reach an agreement at the time, but Tampa Bay's recent acquisition of Rob Gronkowski could lead to reduced trade demands for Howard, who can be kept under team control through 2021 via the fifth-year option on his rookie contract. The Bucs face a May 4 deadline to decide on that option, assuming the 25-year-old tight end remains on their roster. A trade with Washington would still make sense, but it would be tougher for Tampa to absorb Williams' large contract now that Gronkowski accounts for a sizable portion of the cap space that was remaining after the team signed quarterback Tom Brady. The Bucs might prefer compensation in the form of draft picks.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/buccaneers-o-j-howard-targeted-by-washington/[/url]

So Bucs get a 3rd round comp (most likely) if they keep him on a team friendly deal and then let him walk (after 2020 or 2021)

So why would the Bucs take anything less than a 3rd?

Has OJ made some noise? thretened to hold out? Anything to make moving him a team need?

Would OJ play with us without an extension?


Im intrigued. I dont want to give up a 2nd rounder though.

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I don't know if Jackson Kruger is legit but he made a nice breakdown video on Howard.

[URL="https://youtu.be/EQ4XwfgMOEc"]https://youtu.be/EQ4XwfgMOEc[/URL]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1251191]I would pick up Howard in a second. [B]He was a stud in college[/B], injuries and being drafted by a not so good team before Arians was a bad combo.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgGCLCBwzHU[/url][/quote]


He was a stud in college??

Hmmmm .... I'm not sure about that. His college stats are pedestrian.

4 years -- 7 TD's -- 2 of which came in the college national championship against a Clemson team who obviously decided to cover the better Bama weapons.

2013 - 10 games - 14 receptions - 2 TDs
2014 - 9 games - 17 receptions - 0 TDs
2015 - 12 games - 38 receptions - 2 TDs
2016 - 15 games - 45 receptions - 3 TDs


I wouldn't trade for him. But I'd pick him up on a one year prove it deal.

Cameron Brate on the other hand .... he'd be worth a trade.

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[quote=SunnySide;1251194]

So Bucs get a 3rd round comp (most likely) if they keep him on a team friendly deal and then let him walk (after 2020 or 2021)

So why would the Bucs take anything less than a 3rd?
[/quote]
So they don't have to roster him and pay him for two years, perhaps? They've signed Gronk and seem to like Brate more than Howard, so he seems a bit expensive for a #3 TE. I read that they've already picked up the 5th year option on him. I'm guessing that was to possibly make him more attractive to a potential trade partner.

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Rounded up to B because we signed Moss UDFA.

It's hard to believe that we haven't drafted a TE since Sprinkle in 2017. Not 2020, 2019, or 2018 - and now look at us.

Meanwhile the Browns add Hooper, draft Harrison Bryant in the 4th, and pick up Njoku's 5th year option.

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JMO dosen't matter how many TE's you sign it's whether you use them or not.

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Saw a report that the Bucs did pick up OJ’s 5th year option. Doesn’t look like they are trying hard to get rid of him. Arians was interviewed recently and made a comment about why wouldn’t they like having that many good tight ends? I don’t foresee him going anywhere. Gronk did miss time with injuries before he retired.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1251220]Saw a report that the Bucs did pick up OJ’s 5th year option. Doesn’t look like they are trying hard to get rid of him. Arians was interviewed recently and made a comment about why wouldn’t they like having that many good tight ends? I don’t foresee him going anywhere. Gronk did miss time with injuries before he retired.[/quote]

Yeah Gronk is coming back from retirement so I don't see the issue with keeping a 25 years old solid TE for them.

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Brate or Howard would automatically jump to our number 1 TE.

The question is not taking either of them on the team, its do we offer a pick or wait it out for 1 of them to get released?

I'd do a 4th for either 1 of them. Anything more I'd hold my water.

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Personally I'd hold off offering picks for either of them. Firstly, if we are looking to round out the roster to becoming truly challenging next season we want to build our pool of picks, not trade them away. I agree with the predictions we'l be about 8-8 next year so likely mid to high round picks, so we could be trading away good picks (even a 4th rd) to teams for average players.

Secondly, sooner or later I reckon one of them will be released, if only for cap reasons. TB, I believe, have little space to work with especially after signing Brady and Gronk. Having 3 good TE's on the roster with other weaknesses makes no sense so I see them freeing up a slot and cap room for more signings. From what I read they won't free up much space with either contract, but...

Does OJ's 5th year option makes him more valuable in a trade for them?

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What makes y'all think we'll get him if he is released? He'll be a free agent then.

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We have space to make a good offer don't we? Probably able to outbid a lot of other teams, plus we can make it a 1 year prove it deal to avoid a future hit if he doesn't pan out.

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Gronk hasn't played in a year, has battled injuries and is now in his 30's. I doubt he's going to be the same player he was. Injury waiting to happen. I'm not even sure why Tampa Bay would want him. Maybe to sell tickets or get their fans excited. They're fine at TE w/ Brate and Howard imo.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1251235]We have space to make a good offer don't we? Probably able to outbid a lot of other teams, plus we can make it a 1 year prove it deal to avoid a future hit if he doesn't pan out.[/quote]

Clearly Ron has shown he didn’t dislike our TE group enough to go out and get anyone, and especially not enough to go break the bank and overpay for a FA tight end. Don’t expect the Skins to be in the mix of one of the Bucs TEs are cut.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1251263]Clearly Ron has shown he didn’t dislike our TE group enough to go out and get anyone, and especially not enough to go break the bank and overpay for a FA tight end. Don’t expect the Skins to be in the mix of one of the Bucs TEs are cut.[/quote]

Never say never.

I was wrong about Howard being a cut candidate though, no way the Bucs would pick up his option if he didn't have some value.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1251263]Clearly Ron has shown he didn’t dislike our TE group enough to go out and get anyone, and especially not enough to go break the bank and overpay for a FA tight end. Don’t expect the Skins to be in the mix of one of the Bucs TEs are cut.[/quote]

Well we did make the second best offer to Hooper and went pretty far with trade negotiations for OJ so it wasn’t like they weren’t trying. I don’t think we need to try and address every hole with a long term solution in year 1. I do hope they spend some cap money bc while I understand the benefit of not using all of it so it rolls over .... but we roll over unused money every year so at what point do we “go for it”, put all available resources into winning.

I imagine going into year 2, we should have our long term solution at LT, TE and secondary.

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I can't help but wonder what their backup plan for LT is in case Charles isn't ready. Slide Moses or Christian to left?

Maybe they bring in Jason Peters for a workout and if he impresses, give it to him on a one-year deal. Then Charles won't have to start from day one. If not Peters, maybe another Penn-like tackle just to hold down the fort until Charles is ready. I'm just not sure I'm ready to trust Haskins' blind side to Charles from day one.

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Penn is out there, why not bring him back

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[quote=mooby;1251270]I can't help but wonder what their backup plan for LT is in case Charles isn't ready. Slide Moses or Christian to left?

Maybe they bring in Jason Peters for a workout and if he impresses, give it to him on a one-year deal. Then Charles won't have to start from day one. If not Peters, maybe another Penn-like tackle just to hold down the fort until Charles is ready. I'm just not sure I'm ready to trust Haskins' blind side to Charles from day one.[/quote]

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2020/03/19/redskins-sign-former-bears-offensive-tackle-cornelius-lucas/[/url]

They signed Lucas pretty early as primary depth, I would imagine he will competing for LT.

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[quote=mooby;1251270][B]I can't help but wonder what their backup plan for LT is in case Charles isn't ready. Slide Moses or Christian to left?[/B]

Maybe they bring in Jason Peters for a workout and if he impresses, give it to him on a one-year deal. Then Charles won't have to start from day one. If not Peters, maybe another Penn-like tackle just to hold down the fort until Charles is ready. I'm just not sure I'm ready to trust Haskins' blind side to Charles from day one.[/quote]

Hush your mouth! Nobody wants to see that.

I wouldn't need to see Jason Peters workout to bring him in on a one year deal. He played just fine last season. I wouldn't mind if they paid him well, either.

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Jason Peters and TW share the same agent, don't see Peters coming here.

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Ron Rivera on Cam "Yes I have thought about bringing Cam in but it would have to be on the right circumstances" Also said he is very happy with Dwayne and Kyle Allen.

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[quote=MTK;1251271]Penn is out there, why not bring him back[/quote]

Fine by me. We're gonna need a good vet at LT for a year or two IMHO.

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[quote=mooby;1251270]I can't help but wonder what their backup plan for LT is in case Charles isn't ready. Slide Moses or Christian to left?

Maybe they bring in Jason Peters for a workout and if he impresses, give it to him on a one-year deal. Then Charles won't have to start from day one. If not Peters, maybe another Penn-like tackle just to hold down the fort until Charles is ready. I'm just not sure I'm ready to trust Haskins' blind side to Charles from day one.[/quote]

I don't know exactly why but I feel like I like Penn over Peters in our situation. At 37 years old, I'm not sure Penn gets many offers if the Skins don't sign him. He proved he could do the job last year.
While Peters is 38, I feel like he's getting more attention and would be more expensive.

Now, we all know either of them would be stop-gap solutions, and I'd be fine with either of them.

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Christian is a full DRAFT BUST. He won’t make it past this TC.

The holes at TE, CB and OT will be filled with the new Kyle Smith /Rivera strategy. Use their big $35 mill cap chest to hire fired players from other teams as they are let go in TC and PS ( if there is a preseason). All teams pick up players right before the regular season. I just think Rivera is going to do it on a much bigger scale and part of a real PLAN. Why do I think this is going to happen?

1. Huge war chest. Second highest in the NFL. Most teams are broke by now scrambling for players. Redskins are holding back for one year, Uber-cheap contracts of players trying to stay in the NFL, that have been let go on other squads.

2. Open spots on the team. Most teams are full up with 90 or almost 90. Redskins are at 84. Holding spots open for players to be signed later is off season??

3. Limited UDFA. Last year the Redskins signed something like 8 UDFA. This year it is just 4. Why? Less potential talent? I think they are looking more at the fruit that’s going to drop from OTHER TEAMS. Is there more chances of getting players from other teams OVER LOADED WITH TALENT AT A POSITION? For instance, the Bears have 10 TE’s -they’ll get rid of half. One or two may be worth a look or a small, short contract.

4. I couldn’t figure out why the Redskins got no one of consequence in FA OR the draft at TE. They need TE’s to replace Reed and Davis. They have little talent on their roster from last season. What were they waiting for? Rivera thought Hooper was over-priced. They didn’t pick up Trautman in the draft. I believe they see their players coming perhaps from the cast offs of other teams.


That’s my theory. Let’s see if I’m right over the next few months !! Hiring a dozen or so new players late in the TC and PS cycle at positions of need. If I’m wrong then they DON’T have a plan for certain positions and we’ll get new players there in NEXT YEAR’s draft. Rivera is hinting that they look at this year as being a wash. Too many holes to fill. But maybe they hope to gain players from others left overs. We shall see!


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[quote=SunnySide;1251268]Well we did make the second best offer to Hooper and went pretty far with trade negotiations for OJ so it wasn’t like they weren’t trying. I don’t think we need to try and address every hole with a long term solution in year 1. I do hope they spend some cap money bc while I understand the benefit of not using all of it so it rolls over .... but we roll over unused money every year so at what point do we “go for it”, put all available resources into winning.

I imagine going into year 2, we should have our long term solution at LT, TE and secondary.[/quote]

If we wanted a TE that bad we would have addressed it somewhere in the draft.