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[url]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/29/the-coronavirus-is-the-worst-intelligence-failure-in-us-history[/url]


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Agreed.

This mother fucker should be judged for his crimes. If not in this life, certainly in the next one. How anyone can still support him is beyond me. There is nothing defensible.

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[url]https://www.amazon.com/Front-Row-at-Trump-Show/dp/1524745626[/url]

Kind of want to read this.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1248301]Some of the crap Trump spews on subjects where he has no knowledge boggles the mind. A good one was the disqualification of Maximum Security the horse that crossed the wire first in the 2019 Kentucky Derby. It was the first time they have taken down the winner of the Derby and it was a no brainer. He blamed it on political correctness, he probably doesn't know which end of a horse eats and which end craps.

Continuing on where he has no knowledge I think auto makers cooperating to help make respirators is nothing but a ploy to game the government for money, like when GM took a bailout and still filed bankruptcy during the last recession, screwing over all their suppliers.

Working in the manufacturing sector for 40 years, while admitting I have never seen a schematic or assembly drawing of a respirator, it is pretty obvious looking at pictures an automaker is about as well equipped to make one as your neighborhood McDonalds. Looks like the main components outside of electronics are molded plastic, rubber and tubing. All of those items automakers like GM buy from their vendors, they do not make them. Most of the electronics on GM vehicles is also purchased from 3rd party vendors.

GM pretty much makes all the solid metal parts like engines, transmissions, body parts and suspension. WTF a car frame and a respirator have in common is beyond me. I can see it now GM will be willing to make respirators for a $50 billion bailout and being able to charge time and materials to make them, as in given a blank check from the government.[/quote]

I tend to agree. I can understand Dyson coming up with something quick not sure how GM builds ventilators and uses its current assembly lines, ones built to build multi ton products.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1248392]Agreed.

This mother fucker should be judged for his crimes. If not in this life, certainly in the next one. How anyone can still support him is beyond me. There is nothing defensible.[/quote]


This will be CRed in July.



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[quote=jamf;1248398]This will be CRed in July.



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It's me now. Sorry, but this was an unprecedented event in US history, and if you think a different president (Hillary/Biden) would have done the steps necessary quicker you are living in hate of the president. The Dems were still focused on impeachment when Trump took action to reduce incoming travel from China. When Trump closed off European travel, the EU condemned him(and I guarantee HC/Biden would have cared more about what the world says than putting US safety first).

Trump will get blasted by hindsight because that's what politicians do, but through this he has tried to offer positive pathways for people to look at, WHILE following the advice of the medical and scientific community.

I said early on, let's see what actually happens before judgements and dispersions are cast. But Trump haters just can't do that. It's fair to say that Trump has trouble with that too, but I have heard in his speeches far more bipartisan praise than I have heard from Pelosi/Biden/HC

so bottomline, I hope no more people die. I will speak with hope, including about the steps our country takes. And I will be thankful for the Country's political leaders pulling together in Congress and the Presidency in their actions, even if they can't stop with political media speeches.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1248392]Agreed.

This mother fucker should be judged for his crimes. If not in this life, certainly in the next one. How anyone can still support him is beyond me. There is nothing defensible.[/quote]

We're all gonna be judged in the next life my friend.

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For people calling Trump out for calling it the China virus, or Chinese virus. How do you feel about the Spanish flu of 1918-19?

Some of the things media and libs find to make into anti Trump crap is pure unmitigated bullshit, and I know y'all have more f*cking e critical thinking skills then what the media gives you credit for.

Same with the Easter Date. I went through Trump's Press conference where he explained in a rational tone about his thinking, then the press managed to work him down the rabbit hole in a private message with one guy here but bottomline, Trump can be led into saying stupid shit, and the media loves to do that with him. It's like sport fishing in the catch and release pond.

This whole thread is fricking bs because this virus doesn't give jack shit about Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, or any other political idiot. We shouldn't be sitting bitching because someone's words were off, or someone's feelings got butthurt. The nation and the world needs to work together to find the way out. Not bitch and moan about the insignificant!

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Like I said earlier, and maintain, this ain't the time for bitching about political leaders. They are who they are. We, as a nation elected every last one of them and the media, people, republican and democrat need to shut the eff up, and focus on solutions not bitching.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248432]
This whole thread is fricking bs because this virus doesn't give jack shit about Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, or any other political idiot. We shouldn't be sitting bitching because someone's words were off, or someone's feelings got butthurt. The nation and the world needs to work together to find the way out. Not bitch and moan about the insignificant![/quote]


Wait, are you talking about the virus hoax that died off in 10 days?
That was expertly handled in a timely manner with prayer.







Son of a... How did I end up back in here?
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[quote=jamf;1248435]Wait, are you talking about the virus hoax that died off in 10 days?
That was expertly handled in a timely manner with prayer.







Son of a... How did I end up back in here?
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yup that's the sort of bs shit that Trump was stupid for saying, and can be used after this shit is over. Just keep a scrolling list, or ask G1 or Punch, I'm sure they will have a good ass time laughing over it.

meanwhile, I feel the same about ending up back in here. I need to go back on hiatus from here.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248442]yup that's the sort of bs shit that Trump was stupid for saying, and can be used after this shit is over. Just keep a scrolling list, or ask G1 or Punch, I'm sure they will have a good ass time laughing over it.

meanwhile, I feel the same about ending up back in here. I need to go back on hiatus from here.[/quote]

Edit - I think it’s fair to question whether trumps words are just words or whether it is effecting policy as well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248407]It's me now. Sorry, but this was an unprecedented event in US history, and if you think a different president (Hillary/Biden) would have done the steps necessary quicker you are living in hate of the president. The Dems were still focused on impeachment when Drumpf took action to reduce incoming travel from China. When Drumpf closed off European travel, the EU condemned him(and I guarantee HC/Biden would have cared more about what the world says than putting US safety first).

Drumpf will get blasted by hindsight because that's what politicians do, but through this he has tried to offer positive pathways for people to look at, WHILE following the advice of the medical and scientific community.

I said early on, let's see what actually happens before judgements and dispersions are cast. But Drumpf haters just can't do that. It's fair to say that Drumpf has trouble with that too, but I have heard in his speeches far more bipartisan praise than I have heard from Pelosi/Biden/HC

so bottomline, I hope no more people die. I will speak with hope, including about the steps our country takes. And I will be thankful for the Country's political leaders pulling together in Congress and the Presidency in their actions, even if they can't stop with political media speeches.[/quote]

Ehhh, for me it's when he says he takes it personally when dealing with the governors. "You better be nice to me." Like eat. shit. He's been a punchline prior to this, and I hate people believed in him, but this is a new level of low. And sure, Obama, George W., etc., would have had their faults, but I bet nearly every president in modern history would have done better. Douchebag is letting his freaking ego get in the way of LITERAL life and death.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248442]yup that's the sort of bs shit that Trump was stupid for saying, and can be used after this shit is over. Just keep a scrolling list, or ask G1 or Punch, I'm sure they will have a good ass time laughing over it.

meanwhile, I feel the same about ending up back in here. I need to go back on hiatus from here.[/quote]

This is on you keep me out of it,you're going down for defending trump don't try and blame me.

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[B]Seriously , WTF is this???[/B]


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mypillow-trump-coronavirus-white-house-briefing-232505593.html[/url]


Trump Hands Coronavirus Briefing To MyPillow Exec Who Tells Americans To Read Bible

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248432]For people calling Trump out for calling it the China virus, or Chinese virus. How do you feel about the Spanish flu of 1918-19?

Some of the things media and libs find to make into anti Trump crap is pure unmitigated bullshit, and I know y'all have more f*cking e critical thinking skills then what the media gives you credit for.

Same with the Easter Date. I went through Trump's Press conference where he explained in a rational tone about his thinking, then the press managed to work him down the rabbit hole in a private message with one guy here but bottomline, Trump can be led into saying stupid shit, and the media loves to do that with him. It's like sport fishing in the catch and release pond.

This whole thread is fricking bs because this virus doesn't give jack shit about Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, or any other political idiot. We shouldn't be sitting bitching because someone's words were off, or someone's feelings got butthurt. The nation and the world needs to work together to find the way out. Not bitch and moan about the insignificant![/quote]

True story. The [URL="https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-called-the-spanish-flu"]first known case[/URL] of the Spanish flu came from a military base in Kansas, and media in Spain was the first to report on it because the majority of the focus in the worldwide media was on WW1 at the time (Spain wasn't involved). America got really lucky on that one.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1248446]Ehhh, for me it's when he says he takes it personally when dealing with the governors. "You better be nice to me." Like eat. shit. He's been a punchline prior to this, and I hate people believed in him, but this is a new level of low. And sure, Obama, George W., etc., would have had their faults, but I bet nearly every president in modern history would have done better. Douchebag is letting his freaking ego get in the way of LITERAL life and death.[/quote]

Wait, don't you remember Obama telling all the governors to "kiss the ring, bitch" when they were all crying about ebola or H1N1?

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[quote=mooby;1248463]Wait, don't you remember Obama telling all the governors to "kiss the ring, bitch" when they were all crying about ebola or H1N1?[/quote]

Please don't tell me we're acting like Obama was some amazingly bipartisan president. For all things right in the world please don't tell me this. He was as partisan as it gets.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248467]Please don't tell me we're acting like Obama was some amazingly bipartisan president. For all things right in the world please don't tell me this. He was as partisan as it gets.[/quote]

No one will tell you a thing....................



[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/16/obamas_unsung_bipartisan_legacy_132798.html[/url]


Obama's Unsung Bipartisan Legacy

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248467]Please don't tell me we're acting like Obama was some amazingly bipartisan president. For all things right in the world please don't tell me this. He was as partisan as it gets.[/quote]

No kidding, Obama bad mouthed Republicans 24-7, totally over the top ridiculous. He was the king of negative campaigning. The only thing to top his over the top nonsense is what we have now. Trump kind of bad mouths everybody.

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[quote=Giantone;1248479]No one will tell you a thing....................



[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/16/obamas_unsung_bipartisan_legacy_132798.html[/url]


Obama's Unsung Bipartisan Legacy[/quote]

As you would say

LOLOLOLOLOL an ultralib sees Obama's policies as bipartisan because he "capitulated to 3 republicans on one bill" HAHAHAHAHA

from the author's bio - on a site called Liberal Oasis no less -
[quote]Establishment Democrats weren’t all that excited about these messages, but as we’ve seen over the last 10 years those in the [B]New Left have really embraced almost every single one of the 10 steps outlined in Scher’s book[/B] to great effect.

Mr. Scher has also had his work published in the New York Times, the Huffington Post, and has appeared on C-SPAN as well.

Quickly rising to prominence in this new left, [B]Scher has continued to contribute to the liberal movement with appearances on MSNBC[/B], CNN, NBC news, and a host of other traditional media outlets.[/quote]


G1 you are a class act!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248522]As you would say

LOLOLOLOLOL an ultralib sees Obama's policies as bipartisan because he "capitulated to 3 republicans on one bill" HAHAHAHAHA

from the author's bio - on a site called Liberal Oasis no less -



G1 you are a class act![/quote]

Considering the response's, I 'm good thanks.

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[quote=mooby;1248463]Wait, don't you remember Obama telling all the governors to "kiss the ring, bitch" when they were all crying about ebola or H1N1?[/quote]

I remember when Obama brought out some pillow maker out during one of his News Conference's and let him take it over and then...., wait what......., shit never mind.

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[quote=Giantone;1248459][B]Seriously , WTF is this???[/B]


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mypillow-trump-coronavirus-white-house-briefing-232505593.html[/url]


Trump Hands Coronavirus Briefing To MyPillow Exec Who Tells Americans To Read Bible[/quote]

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chico , you wonder why people don't respect your views?

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[quote=Giantone;1248557]chico , you wonder why people don't respect your views?[/quote]

“MyPillow CEO Lindell said his bedding company would be dedicating 75% of its manufacturing to producing cotton face masks, aiming to get up to 50,000 a day by end of this week.”

You asked what the eff is this...the answer is in the article, 50,000 face mask a day. So that’s pretty good right?

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The issue that i am beginning to fear, is that Trump is going to use / continue the "shutdowns" for political gains. To be clear, i am saying that I don't believe he will attempt to restart the economy after April 30th. I think he will extend it 90 more days, possibly even beyond, only to start "opening things back up" as part of his re-election campaign. I can hear the ads now having him mention how "he" instructed governors to put people back to work, open businesses again, etc..

Does my theory hold any water or not? I am a person who is fairly new to politics myself, i started getting more involved in them around six months ago, and to say the least, i have learned a lot of things about myself as i have came into my own political views and not those impressed on me by friends , parents, etc....

I do believe Trump will keep things shut down as long as possible until he gets to the point where he has his entire staff / advisors on him screaming that to continue any further he is causing permanent damage to the USA that can never be repaired, ie 100 times worse than the great Depression, with no exit strategy / scenario this time around though.

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I don’t think a 90 day shutdown past April is realistic


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The economy is Trumps feather in the hat. He wants it all running again ASAP.

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I don't think Trump is trying to keep the economy shut, instead his issue will more likely be opening it too soon.

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He needs to keep following what Fauci is telling him. Thank god for that guy.


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[quote=MTK;1248594]He needs to keep following what Fauci is telling him. Thank god for that guy.


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Dr. Deborah Birx, don't forget her...she's amazing.

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[quote=Chico23231;1248559]“MyPillow CEO Lindell said his bedding company would be dedicating 75% of its manufacturing to producing cotton face masks, aiming to get up to 50,000 a day by end of this week.”

You asked what the eff is this...the answer is in the article, 50,000 face mask a day. So that’s pretty good right?[/quote]

Good yes , and many , many others are doing good [B]YES????[/B] Still you don't let and idiot like him take over the virus briefing .....it's fucking stupid chico ......just admit it.

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[quote=MTK;1248594]He needs to keep following what Fauci is telling him. Thank god for that guy.


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Yes.................but will he?

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[quote=MTK;1248580]I don’t think a 90 day shutdown past April is realistic


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I don't think end of May is realistic ,the country has to get back to work .

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[quote=Giantone;1248607]Yes.................but will he?[/quote]

Fauci has said multiple times that if he had his way, he would have human beings not come into contact with each other until August.

Fauci has also said that it is inevitable that there will be a second wave of re-infections in the Fall, while pointing out that a vaccine is still two years away.

The only solution that leaves if Fauci/Trump is trying to minimize deaths & infections, is to have all Americans shelter in place for the next two years or so. I realize the financial implications, as well as everything else that comes from people doing suicides, drug overdosing, etc...

And i think that's what it comes down to. Most places have only suspended foreclosures, etc. for three months. 3 months is not nearly long enough. At what point does the US Government eliminate the mortgage debt? In six more months from now, there will probably be close to 200 million people unemployed. 100 million foreclosures? Even mortgage companies are only offering forbearance at this point for three or four months. There's no way that the states can continue to pay unemployment for that many people for that long.

Virginia right now has the longest order in place - Shelter in place until June 10th. Governor also said just today in the press briefing that the expectation is that they will extend it. So for Virginians, best case scenario is sometime in July / August.

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.....and there is this.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rush-limbaugh-economy-coronavirus-115103294.html[/url]

Rush Limbaugh: Economy Being Destroyed 'Under The Guise' Of Saving Lives

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[quote=Giantone;1248614].....and there is this.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rush-limbaugh-economy-coronavirus-115103294.html[/url]

Rush Limbaugh: Economy Being Destroyed 'Under The Guise' Of Saving Lives[/quote]

I am of the controversial view that letting the economy collapse and have millions of people out of work will be far more damning than people dying from the virus. Let me be clear, i don't' want people to die, but i wish the government had a way to try and do both at the same time, try and emphasize public safety while still taking baby steps, etc.. on restarting the economy.

It just seems like the people that are advising Trump may be of the opinion that things have to be shut down for as long as possible...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1248615]I am of the controversial view that letting the economy collapse and have millions of people out of work will be far more damning than people dying from the virus. Let me be clear, i don't' want people to die, but i wish the government had a way to try and do both at the same time, try and emphasize public safety while still taking baby steps, etc.. on restarting the economy.

It just seems like the people that are advising Trump may be of the opinion that things have to be shut down for as long as possible...[/quote]

I agree with you. I do think that hibernating for 3,6 or 10 months is not the answer .No I don't want people to die either and we all must be safe but I am struggling with trying to understand how Marshal Law will protect us from a virus?

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[quote=Giantone;1248616]I agree with you. I do think that hibernating for 3,6 or 10 months is not the answer .No I don't want people to die either and we all must be safe but I am struggling with trying to understand how Marshal Law will protect us from a virus?[/quote]

Well then lets both / all just hope that when April is over, somehow there is a plan in place to restart the country, and hope that they dont decide that keep waiting is the best option, unless they plan on some sort of bailout package that eliminates all homeowner mortgages, etc...