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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245727]I don't get all the hype for him.

He is only 6'1 and he is hurt all the time. And he's a damn lefty (sorry mom).

Dwayne Haskins is going to be a much better pro QB.[/quote]

From a college standpoint he's much a more better prospect than DH

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I haven't heard anyone talk about another option.
Draft Tua, keep both Tua and Haskins on the roster. Let the best man win. Half of QBs drafted are busts. This way, statistically you guarantee a successful young qb. It's cost? 2 first rounds. If Chase young wasn't here, I think this would be considered. I hear about trading Haskins for a 2...why? He's better now with a year under his belt than out of college. You could hold both QBs for a full year and get ur money back. And if one gets hurt (Tua) you have Haskins too. I think 2 potential franchise QBs is better than 2 potential edge guys playing at the same time. 80 percent of the time a franchise qb beats 2 franchise edge guys. To have 2 QBs like this and keep both would be very unconventional but would give us the highest likelihood of success.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245728]From a college standpoint he's much a more better prospect than DH[/quote]

Why? Based on what?

Definitely not better size or arm.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245732]Why? Based on what?

Definitely not better size or arm.[/quote]

Accuracy, footwork , anticipation. He's been the real deal since HS, issue is health. I'd keep Haskins

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[quote=skinsnut;1245731]I haven't heard anyone talk about another option.
Draft Tua, keep both Tua and Haskins on the roster. Let the best man win. Half of QBs drafted are busts. This way, statistically you guarantee a successful young qb. It's cost? 2 first rounds. If Chase young wasn't here, I think this would be considered. I hear about trading Haskins for a 2...why? He's better now with a year under his belt than out of college. You could hold both QBs for a full year and get ur money back. And if one gets hurt (Tua) you have Haskins too. I think 2 potential franchise QBs is better than 2 potential edge guys playing at the same time. 80 percent of the time a franchise qb beats 2 franchise edge guys. To have 2 QBs like this and keep both would be very unconventional but would give us the highest likelihood of success.[/quote]

That's simply too much draft capital tied up in the QB spot, you can't take Tua #2 and bring him in to "compete". He's either your guy or it's Haskins.

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[quote=MTK;1245734]That's simply too much draft capital tied up in the QB spot, you can't take Tua #2 and bring him in to "compete". He's either your guy or it's Haskins.[/quote]

In todays NFL, This is correct. You can't allow a 1st rd QB to sit and wait anymore, It's unfair to their growth but its the nature of the beast. If RR wants Tua then I'm all in on Tua..

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That said I think this Tua talk is just posturing and it's exactly what we should be doing right now. I don't think there's any serious intent on drafting him. Too much injury history there, Young is too good to pass by, and we've got Haskins who finished the season strong.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245735]In todays NFL, This is correct. You can't allow a 1st rd QB to sit and wait anymore, It's unfair to their growth but its the nature of the beast. If RR wants Tua then I'm all in on Tua..[/quote]

Hmm, what about too much draft capital on dline, or never use a #1 on a guard? For heaven's sake many wanted Haskins to sit on the bench year 1 anyways. Outside of last year, when was the last time the skins had the opportunity to take the #2 QB in the draft? RGIII? I say this should be an option as moving either of them will be easy. I could care less what is fair to a player. I'm concerned with what is best for the Team. Sonny vs Kilmer got us to our first Superbowl btw. If there are only 6 potential starting NFL QBs over 2 years and you can get 2 of them, why not? Otherwise let's wait another decade if we flipped the coin the wrong way. I say call both heads AND tails. Franchise QBs come only from the draft. We get one chance a decade. We now have 2 back to back. I say get em both. It is far more important to get Qb right than having an additional sack every 4 games. Let's guarantee success damnit!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245733]Accuracy, footwork , anticipation. He's been the real deal since HS, issue is health. I'd keep Haskins[/quote]

Haskins completed 70% of his passes on over 500 attempts at OSU. I know a lot were short screen type passes but you still have to be accurate to complete 70% of that many balls. I have better footwork than Haskins, I'll give Tua that. Hard to get a good feel on anticipation with only highlights. But based on Haskins stats at OSU, he would have to at least be solid at, especially with limited experience.

Some guys scouts, draftniks, and talking heads just want to love certain players. Tua is one of those guys imo. Yes he is good, but not better at all if maybe marginally better than Haskins who we already have.

You already said you want to keep Haskins. This is just in general to all the talk and rumors flying around out there.

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[quote=MTK;1245736]That said I think this Tua talk is just posturing and it's exactly what we should be doing right now. I don't think there's any serious intent on drafting him. Too much injury history there, Young is too good to pass by, and we've got Haskins who finished the season strong.[/quote]

Shhhhhhhhh don't let the Lions hear that!!

My dream is to pull off the reverse-Trubisky. Trade one slot down, grab some more picks and still walk away with Chase. :headbanger:

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Yes, I would have no issues with drafting Tua....and I like Haskins

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[quote=MTK;1245734]That's simply too much draft capital tied up in the QB spot, you can't take Tua #2 and bring him in to "compete". He's either your guy or it's Haskins.[/quote]

I'm wishing (highly doubtful but) the Giants pull a trade off with Cincinnati for the #1 spot and they can still get their QB ar #4 . Skins don't need him Burrow couldn't beat out Haskins at Ohio St , Lions sticking with Stafford so the bengals can get the Giants #1 this year , #1 next year and a #3 for next year.What ya think, Giants take Young

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[quote=Giantone;1245770]I'm wishing (highly doubtful but) the Giants pull a trade off with Cincinnati for the #1 spot and they can still get their QB ar #4 . Skins don't need him Burrow couldn't beat out Haskins at Ohio St , Lions sticking with Stafford so the bengals can get the Giants #1 this year , #1 next year and a #3 for next year.What ya think, Giants take Young[/quote]

Sorry, but there's really no chance. If Cincy was silly enough to trade the #1 pick, it would take a lot more than that. Miami, for example, can easily offer a much better trade.

The Giant's only realistic hope of getting Young is if Miami offers the Redskins an offer they can't refuse for #2 and either Carolina or San Diego does the same with Detroit for #3. Young is most likely going to be either a Redskin or a Lion.

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If Tua was healthy I say yes, but he is injury prone. He won't be able to stay healthy. I get the excitement from just watching his top 10 plays. But I don't get why some are overlooking his injuries. Sam Bradford, Carson Wentz, RG III injured in college. Tua has never played a full season I think Todd McShay said. So you get Tua:
1. You miss on Chase Young and building around Dewayne Haskins
2. You trade Haskins to another team and another coach will build around him.
3. You miss the opportunity to trade to get three first round picks (Charlie Davis Says and Charlie Casserly). Charlies Casserly mentioned it has to be a first for next year from a team you know is going to get one in the top 10. Makes sense.

Isn't Tua even medically cleared yet? Also, I see a lot of backtracking once he starts to get the injury bug. "Skins should have drafted chase" etc etc.

Todd Mcshay made some good points on Tua and his injury history. Without the injuries Tua would be a bengal and I would want the Skins to take Joe B.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twh3bxDJWkQ[/url]

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I still think the Tua talk is there to generate the best trade offers to us from Miami or someone else. This is a very smart move from Rivera, because otherwise everyone would simply talk to the Lions (they may anyway).

Chase Young will not get past the third pick (Lions). Sorry for the Giant fan dreamers. Still, the Giants could end up with Isaiah Simmons, who is a damn good player and he had a great Combine.

Speaking of the Combine, the WR from Ohio State, Hill had a bad Combine and could fall to the fourth corner fifth round now. I thought the Redskins might think about him, but there are better choices at WR #2. I think Kyle Smith will make their fourth or fifth round picks at WR. I still think their #66 pick ( assuming we can’t get a second round pick) will go to TE.




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To answer the thread, no thanks

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The injury issue is too great to draft at no 2. 3 surgeries in 22 months...just no.

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We keep screaming build and after one year we what the next shiny thing and discard what we already have. No to Tua even if he wasn't College injury prone.

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I just watched bot Tua and Haskins highlights, so I am now an expert in this. It seems Tua is more accurate quicker, faster, and sets his feet very well, yet he seems small. Haskins on the other hand is built well, and can take hits. His feet are not perfect, sometimes throws a half step behind.Tua seems to have an incredibly quick release without any hesitation, whereas Haskins is a tad slower but stands well in the pocket. I would think the NFL would put Tua on the move constantly which would give him more broken coverage opportunities. But Haskins doesn't have that advantage. There does seem to be a noticeable size difference. I think we are talking an A- vs a B (Haskins) if healthy. Both are used to clean pockets and top receivers. We know Haskins is NFL tough and can deliver without WR advantages. I see his floor as a top NFL backup. We really don't know if Tua can take NFL punishment of up to 5 sacks a game, nor how he deals with WR/CB parity. And with his injury history, he does have injury bust potential. But he is no RGIII, he throws incredibly well from the pocket if he were to lose his wheels. If Tua has Haskins mobility, he still has better mechanics and accuracy and delivery quickness. I'd be happy with either. Haskins is a strong and steady B that seems dependable, Tua seems like an A- that could get hurt at any moment. Haskins is actually the safer bet. We just need some explosive offensive playmakers to make up the difference.

Re: Should we be drafting Tua???
 

[QUOTE=skinsnut;1245788]I just watched bot Tua and Haskins highlights, so I am now an expert in this. It seems Tua is more accurate quicker, faster, and sets his feet very well, yet he seems small. Haskins on the other hand is built well, and can take hits. His feet are not perfect, sometimes throws a half step behind.Tua seems to have an incredibly quick release without any hesitation, whereas Haskins is a tad slower but stands well in the pocket. I would think the NFL would put Tua on the move constantly which would give him more broken coverage opportunities. But Haskins doesn't have that advantage. There does seem to be a noticeable size difference. I think we are talking an A- vs a B (Haskins) if healthy. Both are used to clean pockets and top receivers. We know Haskins is NFL tough and can deliver without WR advantages. I see his floor as a top NFL backup. We really don't know if Tua can take NFL punishment of up to 5 sacks a game, nor how he deals with WR/CB parity. And with his injury history, he does have injury bust potential. But he is no RGIII, he throws incredibly well from the pocket if he were to lose his wheels. If Tua has Haskins mobility, he still has better mechanics and accuracy and delivery quickness. I'd be happy with either. Haskins is a strong and steady B that seems dependable, Tua seems like an A- that could get hurt at any moment. Haskins is actually the safer bet. We just need some explosive offensive playmakers to make up the difference.[/QUOTE]



Nice analysis. The offense will be better is so many ways over last season:

1: TE. I think the Redskins will outbid the rest of the NFL to get the top TE in FA - either Henry or Hooper. These guys are not elite but very good. I also think the Redskins will use one of their top draft picks (after Chase Young, lol) to go for a TE. BL - TE will be far better than last year.

2. OL - Scherff will stay with a franchise tag. Flowers will be resigned. Trent will probably be traded for a second-rounder. This will add to the cap limit. Use a top draft pick for OT. Use some of the cap money for a OT FA. BL - OL will be decent and better than last year.

3. WR - add either a WR draft pick and/or a WR FA. The rookies from last year will get better.

4. Scott Turner will be better at OC for Haskins then KOC.

The offense will be better for Haskins than last year.


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No,he's too fragile.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245780]The injury issue is too great to draft at no 2. 3 surgeries in 22 months...just no.[/quote]

Also the thing is they are not common injuries for a football player, two ankles and a hip. Maybe the poor guy has some genetic condition that makes him more fragile than an average male in their early 20's.

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Here is Redskins luck, we draft Tua, Giants get Young. First game against the Giants; Young sacks Tau and re-breaks his hip.

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I truly believe we're locked in on Young.

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[quote=mredskins;1245828]Here is Redskins luck, we draft Tua, Giants get Young. First game against the Giants; Young sacks Tau and re-breaks his hip.[/quote]

I almost spit my afternoon coffee out...

Of course this would happen....and Jordan Reed would have a monster day against us as the new Giants tight end

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[quote=MTK;1245832]I truly believe we're locked in on Young.[/quote]

I hope your right.

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This rumor is already working on Haskins, he's never been as active on social media as he has been in the last week. Working out, throwing to WRs etc.

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I’ll say this...if the Skins have Burrow as the top ranked player in the draft, knowing the impact of the QB...I think you make a call to cincy and ask.

Eff tua, but I would be down for Burrow

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Just please do not call young Dwayne H a flop yet!

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[quote=Chico23231;1245862]I’ll say this...if the Skins have Burrow as the top ranked player in the draft, knowing the impact of the QB...I think you make a call to cincy and ask.

Eff tua, but I would be down for Burrow[/quote]

Chico, you drunk?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1245832]I truly believe we're locked in on Young.[/QUOTE]



Bingo!

Rivera loves Chase, Del Rio loves Chase, Snyder loves Chase. Chase will bring in a couple extra thousand fans per game. Chase and Sweat ( and Allen & Payne/Ionnidas) will scare the crap out of every OC we face.


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When is the damn draft? May? Two more months of this nonsense? I actually think free agency this year will be more exciting than the draft.

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[quote=MTK;1245832]I truly believe we're locked in on Young.[/quote]

I 100% agree with you there.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnoC12qoTFc[/url]

Interesting

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Please name your sources.

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If RR wants Tua they will draft Tua.. I doubt he's the type of guy to let Dan run the show

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1245909]Please name your sources.[/quote]

It was purposely not named to build mystery/suspense.

A real who done it....


AND here is a follow up to that one with some solid facts about the subject matter contented in the first video.....

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1245921]It was purposely not named to build mystery/suspense.

A real who done it....


AND here is a follow up to that one with some solid facts about the subject matter contented in the first video.....

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ[/url][/quote]

Nice well done, Great song.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245862]I’ll say this...if the Skins have Burrow as the top ranked player in the draft, knowing the impact of the QB...I think you make a call to cincy and ask.

Eff tua, but I would be down for Burrow[/quote]

You into one year wonders at the cost of the 1st overall draft pick huh? Ballsy

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What happens if bengals take Tua ... there would be a a mad rush to get burrow.. if that were to happen we could end up with 3 number one picks offered to us..