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[quote=jamf;1237313]Lets not let[B] Kevin O'Connell slide on this either.
Boy wonder has done nothing with the passing game [/B]since he took over as OC.


Callahan looks like a tired old man forced to raise one of his grandkids.

He looks like he wants out.[/quote]

Its really tough to determine how much of this is O'Connell passing game, how much is it restricted to Haskins limited experience and knowledge...and maybe most important how expectations should be with tempered when lack sufficient talent at TE and pass catching RB and starting receivers with an extreme lack of experience (Harmon, Terry and Quinn).

makes it grueling to examine anything on the field.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237316]Its really tough to determine how much of this is O'Connell passing game, how much is it restricted to Haskins limited experience and knowledge...and maybe most important how expectations should be with tempered when lack sufficient talent at TE and pass catching RB and starting receivers with an extreme lack of experience (Harmon, Terry and Quinn).

It really makes it grueling to examine anything on the field.[/quote]

Hard to know how much influence Callahan has over the offense and play calling. I'm guessing he's got significant input.

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[quote=MTK;1237317]Hard to know how much influence Callahan has over the offense and play calling. I'm guessing he's got significant input.[/quote]

absolutely.

Side note, Callahan and his press conferences have been comical. Callahan needs to go immediately after the season, its beyond ridiculous at this point.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237318]absolutely.

Side note, Callahan and his press conferences have been comical. Callahan needs to go immediately after the season, its beyond ridiculous at this point.[/quote]

yeah his pressers are brutal he just drones on and on

Bill and Bruce need to go

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237277]Joe Burrow is having an incredible season, I've been on his bandwagon since week 1 but he's not the answer to our issues, Haskins also had 3 Big time throws while having 0 turnover worthy throws Sunday, meaning he put the ball in tight windows as accurate as u can. The Int was on Quinn no Haskins.

[B]Why are u guys already giving up on him? [/B] Because we are losing? Sorry but Mahomes wouldn't be that great in DC, we don't have his OL and WR/TE talent

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This upcoming draft has better prospects than Haskins and we may be in position to take one. The Cards had the balls to do it and they gambled right.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237324]This upcoming draft has better prospects than Haskins and we may be in position to take one. The Cards had the balls to do it and they gambled right.[/quote]

Its gonna be a tough sell to Danny...And I think it ONLY appropriate if the incoming HC is 110% a QB coming out and is a perfect scheme fit.... and the football guys in the FO agree this is a top QB prospect.

I really would prefer to give Haskins another year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237324]This upcoming draft has better prospects than Haskins and we may be in position to take one. The Cards had the balls to do it and they gambled right.[/quote]

Other than Joe Burrow, who else is? Herbert is about the same and Tua has been hurt

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237288]Donald Penn had the highest grade of any LT this week. We have not talked about him enough, dude has been damn good

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Really? Thats surprising. He has been better than expected and can hold his own but I dont see him really move guys back or turning guys etc.

re this week, I looked up his snap count bc I know Christina played a good bit and found this.

Offensive Line (Team)- The team literally gained almost the exact same number of rushing yards after contact as they did total rushing yards (52 vs. 54 yards), which is not a good look for the O-line at all. The line was, at least, able to pave the way for first down runs on two of the team’s three short-yardage rushes.

Haskins was pressured on 32.6% of his dropbacks, which is not good, but isn’t a horrible showing, either. [B]The problem was that the team gave up a season-high tying 6 sacks. Now the line wasn’t actually credited with allowing any of those sacks,[/B] but they certainly at least played some role in all of them.
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/19/20965534/skins-stats-snaps-jets-redskins-offense[/url]

6 sacks and none credited to any O line player? Seems odd. I now wonder how they determine who does and does not get credited w a sack.

Good for Donald.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237325]Its gonna be a tough sell to Danny...And I think it ONLY appropriate if the incoming HC is 110% a QB coming out and is a perfect scheme fit.... and the football guys in the FO agree this is a top QB prospect.

[B]I really would prefer to give Haskins another year.[/B][/quote]

You really can't judge him until you correct his fundamentals. You can't throw into the tight windows needed for success constantly with poor techniques. Some of the things he will do even with a clean pocket baffle the mind.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237331]Other than Joe Burrow, who else is? Herbert is about the same and Tua has been hurt[/quote]

Tua to me has the potential to be a special player. I know he has had injuries but if you're the Redskins you can't pass on him if he is still there at 2 or 3. You have to punt on Haskins because Tua is the better player. You do exactly what the Cards did, maybe get a mid round pick and move on. If a new regime has the final say then it could happen. If Dan just hires someone who doesn't have final say, which will probably be the case then so be it.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237332]Really? Thats surprising. He has been better than expected and can hold his own but I dont see him really move guys back or turning guys etc.

re this week, I looked up his snap count bc I know Christina played a good bit and found this.

Offensive Line (Team)- The team literally gained almost the exact same number of rushing yards after contact as they did total rushing yards (52 vs. 54 yards), which is not a good look for the O-line at all. The line was, at least, able to pave the way for first down runs on two of the team’s three short-yardage rushes.

Haskins was pressured on 32.6% of his dropbacks, which is not good, but isn’t a horrible showing, either. [B]The problem was that the team gave up a season-high tying 6 sacks. Now the line wasn’t actually credited with allowing any of those sacks,[/B] but they certainly at least played some role in all of them.
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/19/20965534/skins-stats-snaps-jets-redskins-offense[/url]

6 sacks and none credited to any O line player? Seems odd. I now wonder how they determine who does and does not get credited w a sack.

Good for Donald.[/quote]

Good to see some data back what I'm seeing from Trey Quinn, from the link:

Trey Quinn- The Skins’ slot man was thrown at four times, but only ended up with 2 receptions for 9 yards. To make matters worse, one of those two incompletions ended up being picked off at Washington’s own 14-yard line. The lone bright spot for Quinn was that he scored on a two-point conversion in the fourth quarter; it was his first two-pointer as a pro.

I’ve been telling you how bad Quinn has been from an efficiency standpoint for weeks now. This time around, I thought I would change things up by not just telling you his rankings in a bunch of metrics, but by instead comparing him directly with the other efficiency cellar dwellers. Quinn and the four other players in the table below are the worst I could find. refer to the link, its terrible


I like the mullet, but this aint working out. Another Gruden Guy...

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[quote=Chico23231;1237339]

I like the mullet, but this aint working out. Another Gruden Guy...[/quote]

How much hate and criticism can we really give Mr. Irrellevant? The fact he wasnt cut in training camp year 1 means he surpassed expectations. I think it speaks more regarding the other guys on the receiving corps tbh. Its like making fun of Ethan Albright.

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If Mac Jones lights it up or plays well for Bama .... doesnt that kinda ding Tua's stock? I mean, the QB for Ohio State is lighting it up this year as well. 31 td to 1 int.

Also, any chance he comes back to bama (does he have another eligible year)?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237337]Tua to me has the potential to be a special player. I know he has had injuries but if you're the Redskins you can't pass on him if he is still there at 2 or 3. You have to punt on Haskins because Tua is the better player. You do exactly what the Cards did, maybe get a mid round pick and move on. If a new regime has the final say then it could happen. If Dan just hires someone who doesn't have final say, which will probably be the case then so be it.[/quote]

You really think with the Redskin's history they should be drafting a player that is coming off a dislocated hip? That is a pretty strange injury for a young football player to get.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237340]How much hate and criticism can we really give Mr. Irrellevant? The fact he wasnt cut in training camp year 1 means he surpassed expectations. I think it speaks more regarding the other guys on the receiving corps tbh. Its like making fun of Ethan Albright.

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If Mac Jones lights it up or plays well for Bama .... doesnt that kinda ding Tua's stock? I mean, the QB for Ohio State is lighting it up this year as well. 31 td to 1 int.

Also, any chance he comes back to bama (does he have another eligible year)?[/quote]

True but he was hyped by the media as well as the coaches...including gruden. I’m not making fun, just pointing out it’s foolish to have him on the field. Actually it’s negligent

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237341]You really think with the Redskin's history they should be drafting a player that is coming off a dislocated hip? That is a pretty strange injury for a young football player to get.[/quote]

Good point. It would be a huge gamble if they pull it off. But the best case scenario is Haskins improves and plays better.

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I think that we need to see if we can trade Trent Williams and see what we get before we make a decision on what to do in the draft. Let's say for example we get a second round pick for Trent. Then we can take Young if we know that we can replace Trent with the second from the Trent deal. If we don't trade Trent then I would trade down if we get a great offer because one player is not going to help with all of the needs we have. I wouldn't trade very far though.

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Trading down is so hard to plan for or be yay/nay for until the trade actually happens. Because if we get an RG3 type haul, trading down is the only choice. But if it's for like an additional 2nd, I'd be livid we didn't get Young or Thomas. Getting a stud is never bad.

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I’m not in favor of trading down UNLESS they are doing it to get Tua. We need elite talent in key positions. You get elite talent with a #2 pick.

Our defense has good and very good players but is horribly coached. Draft the BPA in Chase Young, dump Norman (CB) and Moreau (CB) AND get a very good DC and this defense could be in the top 10 -IN ONE YEAR.

Offense has many problems. If they decide Haskins is not the man OR will take far too long to mature, then trade down for more picks and then draft Tua. Dangerous strategy because of Tua’s injury. Trade down too far and we may not get TUA, who is falling to the second round.

Trade TW. Use the trade down pick in first round for the best OT. We need two with Trent gone and Moses let go. Use the SE one round for Tua. Use the other second or third from trading TW for another OL.

I’d say go for BPA ( Chase Young), then draft very heavily for OL players. Trade all of our dead weight FA - Norman, Richardson, Moses, TW, Kerrigan, Scherff.


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[quote=Warthog;1237367]I’m not in favor of trading down UNLESS they are doing it to get Tua. We need elite talent in key positions. You get elite talent with a #2 pick.

Our defense has good and very good players but is horribly coached. Draft the BPA in Chase Young, dump Norman (CB) and Moreau (CB) AND get a very good DC and this defense could be in the top 10 -IN ONE YEAR.

Offense has many problems. If they decide Haskins is not the man OR will take far too long to mature, then trade down for more picks and then draft Tua. Dangerous strategy because of Tua’s injury. Trade down too far and we may not get TUA, who is falling to the second round.

Trade TW. Use the trade down pick in first round for the best OT. We need two with Trent gone and Moses let go. Use the SE one round for Tua. Use the other second or third from trading TW for another OL.

I’d say go for BPA ( Chase Young), then draft very heavily for OL players. Trade all of our dead weight FA - Norman, Richardson, Moses, TW, Kerrigan, Scherff.


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Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better.

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237370]Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better.

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th[/quote]

A bonafide stud franchise QB may be the only thing that can transcend the incompetence of this organization. You dont get many chances to pick from the cream of the crop QBs and if Burrow and/or Tua grade out high ... how can you pass up on that?

To take a Chase Young would be great but then you still need a FO that can build and hit on other pieces as well. We dont have a FO that can go 7/10 in personnel decisions. As we are seeing now, perhaps investing heavy in the front 4 doesnt allow you to carry a less invested secondary.

IDK .. i think a stub QB masks more problems than a stud pass rusher.

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Tua has had multiple injuries now, I am not sold that he can stay healthy so he's a no.

Burrow is great THIS YR but so was Haskins last yr so that's a wash IMO.

Joe is more accurate but Haskins has the better arm talent. Both are about the same on mobility.

There is no need to give up on Dwayne yet, I understand we wanted him to come in and light it up but he's got a shitty cast around him at WR in all honesty. Teams are doubling Terry now because they know he's the only legit option.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237370][B]Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better[/B].

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th[/quote]

Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237376]A bonafide stud franchise QB may be the only thing that can transcend the incompetence of this organization. You dont get many chances to pick from the cream of the crop QBs and if Burrow and/or Tua grade out high ... how can you pass up on that?

To take a Chase Young would be great but then you still need a FO that can build and hit on other pieces as well. We dont have a FO that can go 7/10 in personnel decisions. As we are seeing now, perhaps investing heavy in the front 4 doesnt allow you to carry a less invested secondary.

IDK .. i think a stub QB masks more problems than a stud pass rusher.[/quote]

Bingo. You can take Chase Young out of the game, or neutralize him. A great pass rusher doesn't impact the game like a QB can. I'd like to have Young, no doubt, but give me a potentially great QB that can turn it around. Look at what Lamar Jackson is doing? Put Flacco back on Baltimore and they're just an average team, maybe a Wild Card and done. Insert Jackson and they're a SB contender. Jackson is what RG3 was supposed to be for us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237387]Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.[/quote]

Murray is also in a very QB friendly system with quick reads and RPO action due to his speed, he would be screwed in our system since we do not use RPO's.

I'd rather have Haskins over Tua, seriously the dude is made of glass, yeah he's accurate but if you are injury prone that doesn't matter.

If a team wants Haskins for a 1st then sure lets do it but that won't happen. Keep him and see what he can do

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237387]Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.[/quote]

Having a new head coach/offensive staff is also a major factor in the cardinals improvement

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1237399]Having a new head coach/offensive staff is also a major factor in the cardinals improvement[/quote]

A coach that actually schemes up a legit offense... Not one that says "run the ball 70%"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237398]Murray is also in a very QB friendly system with quick reads and RPO action due to his speed, he would be screwed in our system since we do not use RPO's.

I'd rather have Haskins over Tua, seriously the dude is made of glass, yeah he's accurate but if you are injury prone that doesn't matter.

If a team wants Haskins for a 1st then sure lets do it but that won't happen. Keep him and see what he can do[/quote]

The injury concerns for Tua are fair and it most likely will have an effect on his draft status.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237406]The injury concerns for Tua are fair and it most likely will have an effect on his draft status.[/quote]

You think? I kinda feel like a dislocated hip is so rare and more of a one off vs guice with bad knees/cartilage or chris samuels with the stenosis or reed w concussions etc.

I dont think Tua will ever dislocate a hip ever again but im just guessing and im no dr.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237409]You think? I kinda feel like a dislocated hip is so rare and more of a one off vs guice with bad knees/cartilage or chris samuels with the stenosis or reed w concussions etc.

I dont think Tua will ever dislocate a hip ever again but im just guessing and im no dr.[/quote]

You are definitely not. This is the injury that ended Bo Jackson's career - Bo's hip was dislocated and the fracture was not as evident as he walked off the field, but he had one. Tua couldn't even stand.

Orthopaedic medicine and surgery has changed a lot since, but it's not a done deal that Tua will ever be the same physically. The hip socket and pelvic floor are areas of the body that don't get a lot of blood flow, so the ability to heal very much depends on the body's ability to get blood into the area. Bo experienced tissue necrosis in that part of his body - meaning spots of cells in the affected area actually died - because blood flow to the area was poor.

Some people are built differently. Tua may be lucky enough to have venous structures that get more blood to the area than Bo did. And Orthopaedic science has progressed, so they may be able to do some things to encourage that blood flow and healing process.

But his draft stock should very, very much be viewed as completely up in the air. He could recover fully and go on to play with no pain or lingering side effects. Or he could need to retire like Bo Jackson.

If I had the 2nd pick and Tua was on the board, there's [B]NO WAY[/B] I'm taking him. Even if we didn't have Haskins. It's Joe Burrow or BPA at that spot. Tua's out of consideration.

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His surgeons are saying his prognosis is excellent and that he'll make a full recovery. I think it's a believe it when I see it thing.

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Like Bo Jackson?

Instant fear surrounded the connection between Tagovailoa's injury and the one that ended Bo Jackson's pro football career.

Yes, Jackson dislocated his hip being tackled in a 1991 game for the Oakland Raiders. And he had the same fracture as Jackson.

So, what made Jackson's injury so life-changing? The multi-sport star suffered from Avascular necrosis or AVN in the aftermath of his dislocation and fracture.

"What can happen with the dislocation is that blood vessels will either tear or they'll be placed on stretch for so long that the bone itself will lose its blood supply and that will cause death of the bone," Banffy said. "If you get it reduced right away, the idea is that will minimize the risk. But this is still something that you have to watch and it might not even present itself for a couple of months, similar to the way it did with Bo Jackson."

The statement released by Alabama's team orthopedist Saturday night stated the hip was reduced at the stadium before being transported to St. Vincent's in Birmingham. Reducing a hip means putting it back in socket.
[url]https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/11/surgeon-explains-tuas-hip-injury-bo-jackson-connection-and-long-term-outlook.html[/url]

Yesh ... worse than I thought in terms of chances of never recovering.

but I was right .. there is little chance this means he will be a repeat hip dislocator. Just a rare freak injury for football that doesnt happen very often. Perhaps once every 28 years.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237414]Like Bo Jackson?

Instant fear surrounded the connection between Tagovailoa's injury and the one that ended Bo Jackson's pro football career.

Yes, Jackson dislocated his hip being tackled in a 1991 game for the Oakland Raiders. And he had the same fracture as Jackson.

So, what made Jackson's injury so life-changing? The multi-sport star suffered from Avascular necrosis or AVN in the aftermath of his dislocation and fracture.

"What can happen with the dislocation is that blood vessels will either tear or they'll be placed on stretch for so long that the bone itself will lose its blood supply and that will cause death of the bone," Banffy said. "If you get it reduced right away, the idea is that will minimize the risk. But this is still something that you have to watch and it might not even present itself for a couple of months, similar to the way it did with Bo Jackson."

The statement released by Alabama's team orthopedist Saturday night stated the hip was reduced at the stadium before being transported to St. Vincent's in Birmingham. Reducing a hip means putting it back in socket.
[url]https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/11/surgeon-explains-tuas-hip-injury-bo-jackson-connection-and-long-term-outlook.html[/url]

Yesh ... worse than I thought in terms of chances of never recovering.

but I was right .. there is little chance this means he will be a repeat hip dislocator. Just a rare freak injury for football that doesnt happen very often. Perhaps once every 28 years.[/quote]

Eh, with the small caveat that he might never be the same again, but I'm sure that's nothing to worry about when deciding what to do with your #2 overall pick.

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I'm thinking Tua probably opts to go back to Alabama rather than declaring for the draft. If he recovers and reestablishes himself for the 2021 draft, he stands to do much better in the draft, IMO. I just don't think he would be a top pick and get a huge contract as of now if he declares for the 2020 draft.

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[quote=Number44;1237417]I'm thinking Tua probably opts to go back to Alabama rather than declaring for the draft.[/quote]

That's my hunch too. I'm a SEC guy, so that would be fine with me. I doubt NFL teams will know enough by draft time to risk a high draft pick on him. If he goes back to 'Bama for a year and rises back to the top, he'll be an easy first-rounder. Waiting the year will probably be worth it financially for Tua.

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Trade Kerrigan for a 4th and sign one of these 3 guys below:

8. Yannick Ngakoue, EDGE, Jaguars (25)

His 34.5 sacks since the start of the 2016 season rank 12th, and Ngakoue’s 79 quarterback hits during that span rank eighth. Ngakoue will be just 25 at the start of next season, has been productive, plays a premium position and has missed just one game in four seasons. Frank Clark, who received $20.8 million per year from the Chiefs last offseason, could be a good comp.

9. Shaquil Barrett, EDGE, Buccaneers (27)

He was a free agent last offseason and settled on a one-year, $4 million deal with Tampa. That gamble is going to pay off as Barrett has had a monster 2019 season. He’s second with 11.5 sacks and fourth with 28.5 combined sacks and quarterback hits. Barrett will be an intriguing option for a team in need of edge rush help.

10. Matt Judon, EDGE, Ravens (28)

He was a productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 (totaling 15 sacks in the two seasons) and has seen a bump in playing time this season. Judon’s 29 combined sacks/QB hits are third behind only T.J. Watt and Joey Bosa. His profile is somewhat similar to Za’Darius Smith, who left the Ravens in free agency last year to sign with the Packers for $16.5 million per season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237440]Trade Kerrigan for a 4th and sign one of these 3 guys below:

8. Yannick Ngakoue, EDGE, Jaguars (25)

His 34.5 sacks since the start of the 2016 season rank 12th, and Ngakoue’s 79 quarterback hits during that span rank eighth. Ngakoue will be just 25 at the start of next season, has been productive, plays a premium position and has missed just one game in four seasons. Frank Clark, who received $20.8 million per year from the Chiefs last offseason, could be a good comp.

9. Shaquil Barrett, EDGE, Buccaneers (27)

He was a free agent last offseason and settled on a one-year, $4 million deal with Tampa. That gamble is going to pay off as Barrett has had a monster 2019 season. He’s second with 11.5 sacks and fourth with 28.5 combined sacks and quarterback hits. Barrett will be an intriguing option for a team in need of edge rush help.

10. Matt Judon, EDGE, Ravens (28)

He was a productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 (totaling 15 sacks in the two seasons) and has seen a bump in playing time this season. Judon’s 29 combined sacks/QB hits are third behind only T.J. Watt and Joey Bosa. His profile is somewhat similar to Za’Darius Smith, who left the Ravens in free agency last year to sign with the Packers for $16.5 million per season.[/quote]

I like Judon and Ngakoue, I'm not sure about Barrett since he wasn't a factor for Broncos before signing with Bucs.. I don't think we will need those type of players since we already have Allen and Ioannidis, and Kerrigan is OLB?

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[QUOTE=OldRiggoFan;1237419]That's my hunch too. I'm a SEC guy, so that would be fine with me. I doubt NFL teams will know enough by draft time to risk a high draft pick on him. If he goes back to 'Bama for a year and rises back to the top, he'll be an easy first-rounder. Waiting the year will probably be worth it financially for Tua.[/QUOTE]


Waiting a year also puts him at risk for another injury. He should have a solid enough medical prognosis by the time the draft rolls around. If he’s going to be good to go in a year or two I don’t think it will drastically hurt his draft stock. He will likely still go first round, teams love that 5th year option especially with a QB.



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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237440]Trade Kerrigan for a 4th and sign one of these 3 guys below:

8. Yannick Ngakoue, EDGE, Jaguars (25)

His 34.5 sacks since the start of the 2016 season rank 12th, and Ngakoue’s 79 quarterback hits during that span rank eighth. Ngakoue will be just 25 at the start of next season, has been productive, plays a premium position and has missed just one game in four seasons. Frank Clark, who received $20.8 million per year from the Chiefs last offseason, could be a good comp.

9. Shaquil Barrett, EDGE, Buccaneers (27)

He was a free agent last offseason and settled on a one-year, $4 million deal with Tampa. That gamble is going to pay off as Barrett has had a monster 2019 season. He’s second with 11.5 sacks and fourth with 28.5 combined sacks and quarterback hits. Barrett will be an intriguing option for a team in need of edge rush help.

10. Matt Judon, EDGE, Ravens (28)

He was a productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 (totaling 15 sacks in the two seasons) and has seen a bump in playing time this season. Judon’s 29 combined sacks/QB hits are third behind only T.J. Watt and Joey Bosa. His profile is somewhat similar to Za’Darius Smith, who left the Ravens in free agency last year to sign with the Packers for $16.5 million per season.[/quote]

None of this...cut/trade Kerrigan. Move sweat to right side, draft chase young

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

draft chase young

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Jon Allen hasn't lived up to his draft selection either IMO, he's been solid but he's not a legit difference maker. In fact I think Payne is the better player.