Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224330]Then explain. What happens if Trent wants more guaranteed money upfront, same with Scherff. How is the team gain more cap space? I’m no cap expert and was assuming since you have to pay 2 players a lot money and have barely any cap space.[/quote]

You've been around this site long enough to hear me explain cap rules ad nauseum over the years. You should have a basic understanding by now.

If you prefer to keep it simple, just take my word for it on all things salary cap.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224343]Even with a Down year he was 15th in pass blocking grades, only allowed 1 sack folks. 1 all year. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/d25c2ba3b4cae5b81e31e40fb6cdaf0e.jpg[/IMG]

Sorry for the small font, was from my phone[/quote] This proves my point. He's average just like I said. I see a uber career in this bum's future.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=httr198020;1224347]This proves my point. He's average just like I said.[/quote]

He had one avg season injured as well, it happens. He's not superman

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

You just can't go into the season with Moses, Flowers, and Geron Christian as your tackle situation. The offense becomes a catastrophe. Moreover I don't even consider letting Haskins play behind that tackle setup. If Trent is traded then Haskins has to sit.

We're over a barrel. You can either stare him down and make him play 2019 on the low contract, or you can pay him. I don't think trading him is a practical solution.

Had we known about his position going into free agency or the draft we might have been able to do something, but with it cropping up now, we need him more than any other NFL team needs him.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1224349]You just can't go into the season with Moses, Flowers, and Geron Christian as your tackle situation. The offense becomes a catastrophe. Moreover I don't even consider letting Haskins play behind that tackle setup. If Trent is traded then Haskins has to sit.

We're over a barrel. You can either stare him down and make him play 2019 on the low contract, or you can pay him. I don't think trading him is a practical solution.

Had we known about his position going into free agency or the draft we might have been able to do something, but with it cropping up now, we need him more than any other NFL team needs him.[/quote]

Can't agree anymore, pay the man his due.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224351]Can't agree anymore, pay the man his due.[/quote]

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224348]He had one avg season injured as well, it happens. He's not superman[/quote]

He's been average for like three years.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224351]Can't agree anymore, pay the man his due.[/quote]

we are paying him his due. right now. under his existing contract.

If we could count on Trent to play something even close to 16 games, it would be a different story. But giving new, big money, to aging, injury-prone players when they are already under contract would be incredibly moronic.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Not sure the argument should be whether or not to pay him. It should be WHEN to pay him.

There is no need to pay him now. He will not hold out in the regular season. If he does, he is not playing elsewhere. Why? Because he has 2 years left on his current deal.

No reason to pay him now with 2 years on his current contract. You pay him as he is entering the final year of the contract.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1224354]we are paying him his due. right now. under his existing contract.

If we could count on Trent to play something even close to 16 games, it would be a different story. But giving new, big money, to aging, injury-prone players when they are already under contract would be incredibly moronic.[/quote]

has played 120 games out of 144 in his career, PRETTY DAMN DURABLE

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=httr198020;1224353]He's been average for like three years.[/quote]

Your opinions on talent evaluation are no longer valid because anybody with two working eyes can see Trent is easily one of, if not the best player on this team.

His backup (in the event his backup is Ereck Flowers) also coincidentally happens to be one of the worst players on this team.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=mooby;1224358]Your opinions on talent evaluation are no longer valid because anybody with two working eyes can see Trent is easily one of, if not the best player on this team.

His backup (in the event his backup is Ereck Flowers) also coincidentally happens to be one of the worst players on this team.[/quote]

Being the best player on the team doesn't say a lot. Due to the fact that we've been losing since he's been here.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1224357]Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them[/quote]

Never believe that clown

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

I don't recall hearing anything about the handling last year? What would he be that mad about?

If this is true, I'd tell him right now, you ain't getting traded or released so you can go sulk in the corner until you're ready to play. It's too late to replace our starting LT with anything near equal quality.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1224357]Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them[/quote]

This strikes me as out of step with Trent's character.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1224363]This strikes me as out of step with Trent's character.[/quote]

Also, why would this come out now if this was such an issue? There are many reporters who would have jumped at this news before today.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1224364]Also, why would this come out now if this was such an issue? There are many reporters who would have jumped at this news before today.[/quote]

Agree, the release of the info is conveniently timed. I think it's coming from the agent in an attempt to drive demand.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1224365]Agree, the release of the info is conveniently timed. I think it's coming from the agent in an attempt to drive demand.[/quote]

Yep, all about $$

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

So his agent is either being shady as fuck to get more money or he is really demanding release/trade?

Ahhhhhh, life of a Skins fan.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Any time our team runs into money issues like this, it makes me think how f*cking lucky the Pats are.

Yes they have a great coach, but things are a hell of a lot easier, when you don't need to pay your best player.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224360]Never believe that clown[/quote]

Agreed

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1224368]So his agent is either being shady as fuck to get more money or he is really demanding release/trade?

Ahhhhhh, life of a Skins fan.[/quote]

There is no way in hell a story like this is kept under wraps like that. Especially with some of the drama thirsty reporters we have in this area.

Sheehan, Russell, Paulsen, and the Junkies are going to have a field day with this. They love this shit.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1224371]There is no way in hell a story like this is kept under wraps like that. Especially with some of the drama thirsty reporters we have in this area.

Sheehan, Russell, Paulsen, and the Junkies are going to have a field day with this. They love this shit.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not going to worry about it unless he is still not showing up at training camp. Hopefully whatever the issues are, they can work it out. Trent belongs here. I think both sides will regret it if he leaves.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

AP and Trent are good friends, so I'll believe this 1000 times over anything JLC writes:

@michaelpRTD
Adrian Peterson: “I don’t know where that came from. I talk to him all the time and I’ve never heard him say that.” (On Trent Williams report)

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Per @JasonLaCanfora
Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1224357]Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them[/quote]

What I do not get is the statement in itself. Just thinking that no professional athlete would ever demand a trade and admit to a 'medical situation' in the same breath. Kind of defeats the trade demands.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1224374]AP and Trent are good friends, so I'll believe this 1000 times over anything JLC writes:

@michaelpRTD
Adrian Peterson: “I don’t know where that came from. I talk to him all the time and I’ve never heard him say that.” (On Trent Williams report)[/quote]

JLC hates the skins and loves bashing them, its a fake story.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

He is a perennial pro bowler, there is no denying his ability to play an important position. The issue is averaging to miss 1/4 of the games over the last 3 years and he is over the age of 30, so I won't expect his health trend to improve. If Sportrac has NFL tackle salaries correct Trent is getting 85% of the $16 mil top pay for his position. That is $1 mil a game, Trent plays about 12 games a year. The numbers don't add up for giving him a raise.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

If Trent was on the open market right now dude would get paid. Some of you guys are really overthinking this.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1224382]If Trent was on the open market right now dude would get paid. Some of you guys are really overthinking this.[/quote]

He'd be the highest paid T for sure

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1224382]If Trent was on the open market right now dude would get paid. Some of you guys are really overthinking this.[/quote]

And some of you (not you Matty) are under-thinking this. Trent has been a warrior for us, pure and simple. Is he perfect? No. The suspensions and injuries have been frustrating -- but that frustration is so great because his contributions have been so great. (I'll always be grateful for the bitch slap of Richard Sherman after the Seahawks payoff loss.)

The cap gurus will set to work and I am sure do their level best to massage the cap spend to make him happy and retain Scherff. Is it possible that we lose someone like V. Davis in the process? Absolutely. But that's always a possibility.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=httr198020;1224244]As far as I'm concern he can go. He's hardly ever healthy. He gets beat frequently. Trade that bum right now![/quote]

Do you even watch the Redskins?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1224382]If Trent was on the open market right now dude would get paid. Some of you guys are really overthinking this.[/QUOTE]What kind of contract do you think he would command as far as years and AAV?

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1224334]Just tossing out a general question, does anyone feel good about breaking in a rookie QB with anyone other than Trent protecting his blind side?[/quote]

HA!

No! And both he and his agent know this. There isn't a viable option on the roster to replace him. That said, they don't have to. He's not going to not show up for the next two years...

They'll probably come up with a way to get him extended, but if it were me, anything I give him above what he is currently owed will be based on incentives given the amount of time he has missed over the last three years.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

I can't vote, because I am in neither camp. Don't pay him anymore, and don't trade him - in 2019.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

It's very simple. You either play, or you sit home. Maybe an injury happens to a SB contenting type of team in training camp.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

I don’t know, Moses is saying what JLC is saying.

[url]https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41066384-4[/url]

If Trent doesn’t come back, Scherff to LT, Martin at LG, Piersbacher at RG. scherff was a hell of a LT in college.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/05/trent-williams-absence-redskins-camp-related-frustration-over-medical-treatment/[/url]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224356]has played 120 games out of 144 in his career, PRETTY DAMN DURABLE[/quote]

If those 24 missed games were spread relatively evenly over 9 years, then i'd agree with you. but they haven't been. he's missed the most time in the past few years. Which is normal, you know, when a player has gotten old and the wear and tear on his body has accumulated.

I'm not saying Williams is garbage. He's still elite.... but there is no reason to give him a big money new contract when he still has 2 years left on his current deal and he's been struggling with injuries recently.

You don't trade a guy like him. You don't cut him. You don't give him a new contract. You make him play out this year and then reevaluate the contract situation next year.

sure, he's holding out now, but who cares? He's not going to miss real games. He'll show up for week 1 and that's all i care about.