Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1174566]Chris Thompson said it was something "way bigger than football". That could mean a thousand things, but given the enigmatic behavior pattern, Matty I think you were possibly onto something when you mentioned the possibility of some kind of behavioral health problem.

Can't even begin to guess what it might be. But if he's hearing voices, or experiencing bi-polar symptoms, you could understand why Thompson would say it's something way bigger than football.

No point in speculating, all the Redskins can do is move on with 53 guys who are committed to winning. They need to set a culture of accountability and putting the team above all else, and that includes shelving until next year someone who can't share that mindset.[/quote]

True. Plus this guy really hasn't done anything I guess folks are belly aching because of his potential. This isn't like Ryan Kerrigan up and left.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=mredskins;1174567]True. Plus this guy really hasn't done anything I guess folks are belly aching because of his potential. This isn't like Ryan Kerrigan up and left.[/quote]

Yeah like I said earlier, I now think Nicholson is the future at safety alongside Swearinger, not Cravens. Even if Cravens gets back and committed.

Nicholson looked rangy and took smart angles against the Rams. The corners were heralded for shutting down the Rams passing attack, and they should be. But that doesn't happen if Swearinger and Nicholson weren't playing well.

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[quote=Schneed10;1174568]Yeah like I said earlier, I now think Nicholson is the future at safety alongside Swearinger, not Cravens. Even if Cravens gets back and committed.

Nicholson looked rangy and took smart angles against the Rams. The corners were heralded for shutting down the Rams passing attack, and they should be. But that doesn't happen if Swearinger and Nicholson weren't playing well.[/quote]

Don't do it Schneed, don't get me hyped up about yet another unheralded safety trying to plug the hole that's existed since ST's death. I refuse to believe anything we have back there is more than a stopgap solution until they prove it.

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[quote=mooby;1174569]Don't do it Schneed, don't get me hyped up about yet another unheralded safety trying to plug the hole that's existed since ST's death. I refuse to believe anything we have back there is more than a stopgap solution until they prove it.[/quote]

He's big and fast tho mooby. You know you want to!

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Torrain Gray...getting a lot out of our secondary. His value is already showing up.

This coming week we will face a challenge with the Carr-Crabtree-Cooper 3 headed monster. But I got faith.

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[quote=Schneed10;1174570]He's big and fast tho mooby. You know you want to![/quote]

Big and fast? Nuh uh. That combination doesn't exist nowadays!

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[quote=Chico23231;1174571]Torrain Gray...getting a lot out of our secondary. His value is already showing up.

This coming week we will face a challenge with the Carr-Crabtree-Cooper 3 headed monster. But I got faith.[/quote]

Aside from Cooper it's not the talent of that trio that scares me, it's the time that Carr is afforded in the pocket by that monster of an offensive line. Our front 7 is going to have to bring it, and the offense is going to need to get it together and try to carry the team this week.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1174566]Chris Thompson said it was something "way bigger than football". That could mean a thousand things, but given the enigmatic behavior pattern, Matty I think you were possibly onto something when you mentioned the possibility of some kind of behavioral health problem.

Can't even begin to guess what it might be. But if he's hearing voices, or experiencing bi-polar symptoms, you could understand why Thompson would say it's something way bigger than football.

No point in speculating, all the Redskins can do is move on with 53 guys who are committed to winning. They need to set a culture of accountability and putting the team above all else, and that includes shelving until next year someone who can't share that mindset.[/quote]

I have been thinking the same. Of course this is all speculation, but if mental health is the issue, the timing with his age makes a lot of sense, the "miss" by the scouts makes sense (how could they predict a mental health disorder that hadn't yet presented), and the complete disregard for responsibility and financial status would make a lot of sense too.

If mental health is the case, bi-polar and other such disorders aren't easily treated. I would have to guess he would not come back from it (to the NFL that is).

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[QUOTE=mredskins;1174474]And F McC who brought them here.[/QUOTE]ww2

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1174568]Yeah like I said earlier, I now think Nicholson is the future at safety alongside Swearinger, not Cravens. Even if Cravens gets back and committed.

Nicholson looked rangy and took smart angles against the Rams. The corners were heralded for shutting down the Rams passing attack, and they should be. But that doesn't happen if Swearinger and Nicholson weren't playing well.[/quote]


Nicholson looked pretty good last week...really like his upside. Between him and Everett, we're still in good shape.

Sua who?

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1174566]Chris Thompson said it was something "way bigger than football". That could mean a thousand things, but given the enigmatic behavior pattern, Matty I think you were possibly onto something when you mentioned the possibility of some kind of behavioral health problem.

Can't even begin to guess what it might be. [B]But if he's hearing voices, or experiencing bi-polar symptoms, you could understand why Thompson would say it's something way bigger than football.[/B]

No point in speculating, all the Redskins can do is move on with 53 guys who are committed to winning. They need to set a culture of accountability and putting the team above all else, and that includes shelving until next year someone who can't share that mindset.[/quote]

I just feel like if that was the case, the team would've said something about his "personal life" or "personal issues" or him "getting better" in the statement. And not just about the decision to play football or not which clearly makes him look bad.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1174594]I just feel like if that was the case, the team would've said something about his "personal life" or "personal issues" or him "getting better" in the statement. And not just about the decision to play football or not which clearly makes him look bad.[/quote]

The way the statement reads to me is they are putting it on him as to whether or not he ever plays football again. Which is smart, he's the one who walked away from the team. It's intentionally vague because nobody other people in the circle need to know details. Try not to read into it too much.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=mooby;1174596]The way the statement reads to me is they are putting it on him as to whether or not he ever plays football again. [B]Which is smart, he's the one who walked away from the team[/B]. It's intentionally vague because nobody other people in the circle need to know details. Try not to read into it too much.[/quote]

I agree that I might be trying to read a little too much, but when you say this (bolded part), it shows that the team's statement did put the blame on Cravens. Which I'm not sure they'd have done had he have a serious issue other than the "my heart's not in it" he gave Compton on the sidelines...

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1174659]I agree that I might be trying to read a little too much, but when you say this (bolded part), it shows that the team's statement did put the blame on Cravens. Which I'm not sure they'd have done had he have a serious issue other than the "my heart's not in it" he gave Compton on the sidelines...[/quote]

I'm just not sure it's the blame game they're trying to play, it sounds like a "we want to give the player the appropriate space to deal with his personal issues at this time" statement. It's appropriately vague given that nobody needs to know what he's going through. We can speculate all we want but we very well might never know the facts, and that's okay as long as the team does.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

I don't read the team's statement as making him look bad in any way. I'm not sure where that comes from.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=mooby;1174661]I'm just not sure it's the blame game they're trying to play, it sounds like a "we want to give the player the appropriate space to deal with his personal issues at this time" statement. It's appropriately vague given that nobody needs to know what he's going through. We can speculate all we want but [B]we very well might never know the facts, and that's okay as long as the team does[/B].[/quote]

100% agreed on that.
I don't want to know about his personal life.

Maybe I'm just misjudging the situation and what should be done. Doesn't matter, I don't want to spend to much thought on this. Only thing I need to know is wether he plays or not.

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Well if you can find him tomorrow, you can have one of his authentic jerseys

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[quote=Stacks42;1174731]Well if you can find him tomorrow, you can have one of his authentic jerseys

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89BWTSmeOaQ&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89BWTSmeOaQ&feature=youtu.be[/URL][/quote]


Yea.... he doesnt look like a disgruntled unstable...... human..

Best of luck.

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Surprisingly, we havent talked Sua Cravens even though there are things to talk about.


[B][U]Coming Back[/U][/B] ...

He sent a tweet saying something along the lines of he never was walking away from the game, ppl dont know the whole story and that everything was part of a bigger plan. I cant find the cryptic tweet now.

Agent releases odd statement that he was being treated for concussion and is now medically cleared ... doesnt say when he suffered concussion. He had one in the beginning of 2016.

Redskins release statement saying hes not part of the team for 2017.

[B][U]Recent Traffic Stop [/U][/B]

[url=http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/18/sua-cravens-racially-profiled-traffic-stop/]NFL's Su'a Cravens Claims Racial Profiling After Traffic Stop in Virginia | TMZ.com[/url]

Pulled over in Loudoun County, VA police for allegedly doing 39 in a 25 and having illegal tint.

Cravens says its bc he is black in a nice car.

Probably both imo. The problem I have is that he was handcuffed and detained for 30 mins while they looked for weed. The probable cause being the "officer smelled marijuana".

Sorry dont buy it. You cant be arbitrarily handcuffing and searching peoples property bc you suspect something. Court is very clear. You need reasonable objective articulable suspicion. The "in a high crime area" crap cant work anymore.

This is the "broken windows" policing policy. Any minor crime or suspicion is used to allow police to detain, search people in hopes of finding more on the justification of investigating a random broken window somewhere.

What does a citizen get for being racially profiled, handcuffed and illegally detained? a trumped up traffic ticket so the cops can "justify" the stop and detention.

DC police had a "top gun" program where officers were given bonuses for who ever found the most guns. So cops would pull over random people in high crime areas. Illegally search their vehicle and if they found a gun, wrote a "illegal tint" ticket as reason for stop then charged them with gun.

If cop found nothing, gave an apology and sent the person on their way. What is that persons recourse? complain but no one listens. File a civil complaint and court kicks it out on governmental or discretionary immunity bc no one wants to deal with it. Its just a minor 30 min inconvenience. No, its racial profiling and a violation of a persons constitutional rights and human dignity.

If it was 40 year old white male me, with my collared shirt, dad look with a kid in the back seat .. the cops dont pull me over and they sure as hell dont handcuff me and search my car. Why? bc my profile is one of a square.

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He wasn't that good last yr to begin with, I don't know how committed he is to football.

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Really don't care about him coming back or not.
He's good but I think Montae will be better.

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Best course of action...move him for a Ham sandwich or if possible, a Reuben.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Chico23231;1183668]Best course of action...move him for a Ham sandwich or if possible, a Reuben.[/quote]

Yup. Don't need a guy where you don't know how committed he is to the team.

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They didn't even have a true pos for him, It was a waisted pick imo

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=over the mountain;1183648]Surprisingly, we havent talked Sua Cravens even though there are things to talk about.


[B][U]Coming Back[/U][/B] ...

He sent a tweet saying something along the lines of he never was walking away from the game, ppl dont know the whole story and that everything was part of a bigger plan. I cant find the cryptic tweet now.

Agent releases odd statement that he was being treated for concussion and is now medically cleared ... doesnt say when he suffered concussion. He had one in the beginning of 2016.

Redskins release statement saying hes not part of the team for 2017.

[B][U]Recent Traffic Stop [/U][/B]

[url=http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/18/sua-cravens-racially-profiled-traffic-stop/]NFL's Su'a Cravens Claims Racial Profiling After Traffic Stop in Virginia | TMZ.com[/url]

Pulled over in Loudoun County, VA police for allegedly doing 39 in a 25 and having illegal tint.

Cravens says its bc he is black in a nice car.

Probably both imo. The problem I have is that he was handcuffed and detained for 30 mins while they looked for weed. The probable cause being the "officer smelled marijuana".

Sorry dont buy it. You cant be arbitrarily handcuffing and searching peoples property bc you suspect something. Court is very clear. You need reasonable objective articulable suspicion. The "in a high crime area" crap cant work anymore.

This is the "broken windows" policing policy. Any minor crime or suspicion is used to allow police to detain, search people in hopes of finding more on the justification of investigating a random broken window somewhere.

What does a citizen get for being racially profiled, handcuffed and illegally detained? a trumped up traffic ticket so the cops can "justify" the stop and detention.

DC police had a "top gun" program where officers were given bonuses for who ever found the most guns. So cops would pull over random people in high crime areas. Illegally search their vehicle and if they found a gun, wrote a "illegal tint" ticket as reason for stop then charged them with gun.

If cop found nothing, gave an apology and sent the person on their way. What is that persons recourse? complain but no one listens. File a civil complaint and court kicks it out on governmental or discretionary immunity bc no one wants to deal with it. Its just a minor 30 min inconvenience. No, its racial profiling and a violation of a persons constitutional rights and human dignity.

[B][I]If it was 40 year old white male me, with my collared shirt, dad look with a kid in the back seat .. the cops dont pull me over and they sure as hell dont handcuff me and search my car. Why? bc my profile is one of a square.[/I][/B][/quote]

Guess what? I'm a white male in my 40s and got pulled over, randomly, and searched for illegal drugs and weapons. Keep in mind, a clean driving record. No police record whatsoever. I was driving a very unflashy '99 Nissan Sentra at the time, with no tint, factory wheels, everything stock on the car. I wasn't handcuffed, but I complied with the officer. I was frisked on the side of the road while people drove by rubbernecking. Was it embarrassing? Yes. Was I guilty of any wrong doing? No. Did I have every right to complain. Yes. Did I complain? No. And yes, I was wearing a collared dress shirt. Didn't have long hair or a long beard. I was clean shaven, clean cut - the whole nine yards. No tats, no piercings, no nothing. There was actually no reason or cause for me getting pulled over. The officer pulled me over for reckless driving. He said my speed was too excessive for the weather (it was very light rain/drizzle outside), I was going 5 over the limit. The limit was 45, and I was going 50 MPH, but that's too excessive for light rain that didn't even make the roads wet. <rolling eyes>

So, yeah, I have to disagree. Even the most square looking person can get pulled for basically no reason at all.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

My car was searched when I was in college, I had no record at all. This is all for attention because he was a little bitch and left football. I already don't want guys like that around, also his Instagram is always about blaming ppl

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1183680]My car was searched when I was in college, I had no record at all. This is all for attention because he was a little bitch and left football. I already don't want guys like that around, also his Instagram is always about blaming ppl[/quote]

He is a punk ass bitch on IG.

I hate cutting him loose because he is a second round pick.
I don't know why the team didn't let him retire and payback his signing bonus(prorated).

Now we are stuck with this cry baby. he is going blame concussions so he can quit on the team and keep his money.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

Dude is a complete drama queen. Went AWOL at USC for several days - how did that NOT factor into our scouting report before spending a 2nd round pick on him?

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[quote=SouperMeister;1183698]Dude is a complete drama queen. Went AWOL at USC for several days - how did that NOT factor into our scouting report before spending a 2nd round pick on him?[/quote]

because the Redskins scouting staff is smarter than everyone else. They knew they had a hybrid LB/S who would be a star in the NFL.

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How could the cop pull him over because he was black? Not only is the guy a drama queen he isn't all that bright. He is very light skinned and he has tinted windows, cop probably could not tell he was black till he looked in his car with the window down. Also I don't care if you are the Pope, 14 miles over will get you stopped here every time, cops here are big on writing tickets. If you go 10 over in a 70 mph zone it is considered reckless driving. Considering his past history of strange behavior and claiming racial profiling he probably gave the cop a bad time, and that is what got him detained.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

Its not the traffic stop ... its the handcuffing, detention and searching of vehicle for no justifiable reason. Some see it as a necessary 30 minute inconvenience in the name of safety, others see it as systemic racism.

Anyways ...

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=over the mountain;1183728]Its not the traffic stop ... its the handcuffing, detention and searching of vehicle for no justifiable reason. Some see it as a necessary 30 minute inconvenience in the name of safety, others see it as systemic racism.

Anyways ...[/quote]

They said they smelled weed, but not being there I'm not a position to confirm or deny. Maybe they were just looking for an excuse to search the vehicle.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=over the mountain;1183728]Its not the traffic stop ... its the handcuffing, detention and searching of vehicle for no justifiable reason. Some see it as a necessary 30 minute inconvenience in the name of safety, others see it as systemic racism.

Anyways ...[/quote]

I am white, clean shaven, short hair and no tattoos. I have been stopped numerous times for BS reasons going back 40 years when I was in High School and most recently a half dozen years back for driving a SUV full of boxes (I was moving) through a drug corridor. You reap what you sow with the police plain and simple. If you cooperate you are usually sent on your way quickly, get mouthy and uncooperative you will get detained. Considering Craven's history he most likely caused his own problems.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

It's always something w/ that guy..

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915962/article/sua-cravens-applies-for-reinstatement]Su'a Cravens applies for reinstatement to league - NFL.com[/url]

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;1188374][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915962/article/sua-cravens-applies-for-reinstatement]Su'a Cravens applies for reinstatement to league - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

maybe Cravens is missing the NFL paychecks??

Re: Sua Cravens
 

trade him if you can.... maybe a conditional pick

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1188375]maybe Cravens is missing the NFL paychecks??[/quote]

If Cravens was dealing with post concussion syndrome. I would give him a pass and accept him back to the team. For any other reason I would be less willing to forgive him for just leaving the team hanging. I would always encourage all players to put their health and safety first. For that reason and that reason alone I would welcome him back.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

I'm hoping that the team has a good pulse on him. If they think he's got his shit figured out, it'd be nice to have some more young talent in the secondary with Fuller gone.

I think it's probably time to go their separate ways, but what realistically will a team trade for him? I guess you'd have to take whatever you can get for him, (a 6th or 7th?) Because cutting him you take a bit of a hit.

It might be worth it though if you can't get anything to give him a shot to prove himself again rather than take the cap hit, unless the dude comes back to camp and is a huge problem in the locker room, but then you can still cut ties, take the hit, and let a younger guy get more experience.

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Agree with most of you, get what you can get for him and get out of the Cravens business.

I remember reading when he was rehabbing the biceps injury, he missed some treatment and was playing ping pong in the club house. The story hinted that it didn't sit well with his team mates that he wasn't trying his best to get back on the field.

I couldn't find a link after a cursory search. Help me out with one if you can.