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Redskins rookie Su'a Cravens said "I can't wait" to play safety next season. He will work out with former Redskins safety Ryan Clark and Giants safety Landon Collins in the offseason.

I like this kid, and Collins is the best S in football right now.

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Why can't we just go back to a 4-3 defense. We have so many holes to fill why not scrap the 3-4 it's not working.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161315]Redskins rookie Su'a Cravens said "I can't wait" to play safety next season. He will work out with former Redskins safety Ryan Clark and Giants safety Landon Collins in the offseason.

I like this kid, and Collins is the best S in football right now.[/quote]

Great, looks like one less hole to fill!

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While the end of the 2016 was a disappointment I think the team is trending in the right direction. There is still lots of room for improvement and I think the #1 thing to address in the off=season is the D. The Skins D as currently constructed just didn't allow them to a real chance to win over the long haul.

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[quote=irish;1161319]While the end of the 2016 was a disappointment I think the team is trending in the right direction. There is still lots of room for improvement and I think the #1 thing to address in the off=season is the D. The Skins D as currently constructed just didn't allow them to a real chance to win over the long haul.[/quote]

Agreed, yet.. they really did put together a few very.. impressive 2nd half performances this season inclouding sunday .. the offense IMO is just as much and some games much much more to blame.

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[quote=Meks;1161321]Agreed, yet.. they really did put together a few very.. impressive 2nd half performances this season inclouding sunday .. the offense IMO is just as much and some games much much more to blame.[/quote]

The D definitely put the team in position to win on Sunday and unfortunately the O laid an egg.

To me all season the O had to score 30 points for the team to have a realistic shot at winning because the D was gonna give up 20+. That's a lot of pressure and no margin for error. Is there room for improvement on O, absolutely but I think the D has to be the #1 focus in the off-season.

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The offense set all sorts of franchise records this year. The D on the other hand was pretty much bottom of the barrel in most categories. With just a middle of the pack D we could have won several more games.

The primary focus this offseason better be the D, I'm sure SM is well aware of that.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161323]The offense set all sorts of franchise records this year. The D on the other hand was pretty much bottom of the barrel in most categories. With just a middle of the pack D we could have won several more games.

The primary focus this offseason better be the D, I'm sure SM is well aware of that.[/QUOTE]
32nd in 3rd down defense. It was historically bad. That's due to lack of pass rush and lack of speed on the back end.

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[quote=Bangee7;1161188]Curious to know where specifically anyone feels that this year's team was better than last year's version.

Here are my feelings-
QB- same, beat up the slackers & choke in tough games
RB- same (amateurs)
TE/WR- same (solid both years)
OL - same (great pass pro, can't run block)

DL-worse (old)
LB- worse (just as slow)
CB-same to worse
S- same old shit

K- worse
P-same

The other thing that bugs me is paying Josh Norman $75M for 2 personal fouls to help the other team score. Jay G should've have pulled his ass out to send a message.
The guy keeps putting his own agenda ahead of the team's.


I feel like the Eagles are on their way up, the Giants have proven they are better than us & Dallas is the class of the league. I just don't see a lot of hope for next year.

That falls on Scott IMO.
I wasn't wild about the draft (especially when it was loaded with DT & we end up with Ioannidis- wow, thanks Scott)

He's got some work ahead of him before we can be contenders.

Joe Barry should be fired, but the next man in won't be able to work magic without more talent.[/quote]

How did we have a winning season, were strongly competitive in 14 games & just miss the playoffs on the last weekend of the season?

And the Eagles on the way up? We smoked them twice and they got the most holes to fill in the division by far. Doug Peterson was not a very good in his first season

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I love our offense don't get me wrong but I'd rather have a team set up like Seattle, score about 24 PpG and run the ball. We are more like New Orleans, all we do is air it out, makes the QB and wrs look good but it ultimately doesn't win many games. It was proven this yr, when kirk threw for 300 plus yards we were under 500.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1161340]How did we have a winning season, were strongly competitive in 14 games & just miss the playoffs on the last weekend of the season?



And the Eagles on the way up? We smoked them twice and they got the most holes to fill in the division by far. Doug Peterson was not a very good in his first season[/QUOTE]



Forget about the Eagles. What part of Bangees post do you disagree with? I think his summation is spot on.
I do agree we were very competitive, and it is a credit to something or someone because of all the holes that he pointed out. At the end of the day though we are probably getting beat in the first round no doubt. So yes we still are a ways off from championship caliber

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[QUOTE=skinsqc;1161316]Why can't we just go back to a 4-3 defense. We have so many holes to fill why not scrap the 3-4 it's not working.[/QUOTE]
Been a question for a while now.

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[quote=punch it in;1161050]Cousins had three options. Run into fg range on first down. Throw it away. Take a sack. All three would have probably led to at least a tie.
He chose to throw an errant pass.
Fuck him.[/quote]

He also had Reed open which is where I thought he initially was going to throw till he saw Garcom across the middle but by the time he could wind back up DRC had made up the yardage.

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[quote=punch it in;1161342]Forget about the Eagles. What part of Bangees post do you disagree with? I think his summation is spot on.
I do agree we were very competitive, and it is a credit to something or someone because of all the holes that he pointed out. At the end of the day though we are probably getting beat in the first round no doubt. So yes we still are a ways off from championship caliber[/quote]

because I don't think its correct. As a team we played competitive football, but less consistency we showed last year down the stretch. Last year we won the Detriot, Cincy and G-Men games...this year we didn't. Thin margins. But I think another infusion of talent with the draft and I think a more aggressive approach in free agency we will be in the playoffs again.

We arent far people.

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Wonder when we will hear about any plans to make changes in the coaching staff? I always think its better to get out front if we are...

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[quote=Chico23231;1160960]Dude I'm with you. He can do a lot along the line...slide inside or stand him up.[/quote]

Eric Barry is a free agent too, we could have him at FS and Cravens at SS. I have also heard that they might mover Breeland to FS

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1161343]Been a question for a while now.[/QUOTE]



Because we're already in the 4-3 the majority of the time. Doesn't matter what you play if you don't have the talent.

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[quote=hutch17;1161362]Eric Barry is a free agent too, we could have him at FS and Cravens at SS. I have also heard that they might mover Breeland to FS[/quote]

Eric Barry is gonna be sky high...A couple guys who I believe should be our focus in Free Agency is DT Bennie Logan and Guard Ron Leary. Both make a ton of sense for us.

I would like to Breeland stay in the slot, he played well there.

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[quote=hutch17;1161362]Eric Barry is a free agent too, we could have him at FS and Cravens at SS. I have also heard that they might mover Breeland to FS[/quote]

Everyone is assuming Cravens will make a smooth transition to strong safety. There is a big difference between covering TEs and RBs ..... WRs are much more challenging.Also, Cravens tested at 4.68 speed.... very average for a safety.

Berry is going to be to expensive. And he is a gamble health wise.

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[quote=Bangee7;1161188]Curious to know where specifically anyone feels that this year's team was better than last year's version.[/quote]

Offensively we pretty much re-wrote the franchise record book, defensively not so much, some of the more impressive highlights:

* The Redskins broke the franchise record for total net yards in a single season (6,253 in 1989) with 6,454.

* The Redskins (6.40) setting a single-season team record for yards per play (6.17 in 2012).

* The 2016 Redskins (403.3) became the first team in franchise history to average 400 yards per game.

* The Redskins had a team-record three 500-yard games this season.

* The Redskins (407) breaking the team record for completions in a single season (386 in 2015).

* The Redskins (228) breaking the team record for passing first downs in a single season (217 in 1989).

* The Redskins featured multiple 1,000-yard receivers for the first time since 1999 (Albert Connell and Michael Westbrook).

* Quarterback Kirk Cousins finishing the season as third in NFL history in completion percentage (65.9) behind Drew Brees (66.7) and Chad Pennington (66.0). Cousins reached the 1,500-attempt threshold needed to qualify in Week 16 at Chicago.

* Cousins broke the team record in passing yards this season (4,917).

* Cousins (304.8) became the first quarterback in team history to average 300 passing yards per game in a season. The previous record was 269.1, set by Mark Rypien in 1989.

* Cousins registering the seventh 25-touchdown passing season in team history, joining Sonny Jurgensen (31 in 1967), himself (29 in 2015), Joe Theismann (29 in 1983), Jurgensen (28 in 1966), Mark Rypien (28 in 1991) and Sammy Baugh (25 in 1947).

* Garçon and DeSean Jackson posted their second 1,000- yard receiving season with the Redskins to join Gary Clark (five), Art Monk (five), Santana Moss (three), Henry Ellard (three), Ricky Sanders (two) and Bobby Mitchell (two) as the only players with multiple 1,000-yard receiving seasons in team history.

* Kicker Dustin Hopkins had single-season career highs in field goals (34) and points (138), the latter ranking fourth on the franchise's single-season scoring list. Hopkins broke Mark Moseley's record (33 in 1983) for the most field goals in a single season in team history.

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[quote=Chico23231;1161351]Wonder when we will hear about any plans to make changes in the coaching staff? I always think its better to get out front if we are...[/quote]

I agree but I think the next week or two are going to be spent on evaluations for players and staff. Plus maybe we already have a target that's on a playoff staff too, so it isn't the end of the world. But if they have a target that isn't on a playoff staff, like a Gus Bradley, then sure it makes sense to get a jump on it. Gotta do evaluations first though.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1161366]Everyone is assuming Cravens will make a smooth transition to strong safety. There is a big difference between covering TEs and RBs ..... WRs are much more challenging.Also, Cravens tested at 4.68 speed.... very average for a safety.



Berry is going to be to expensive. And he is a gamble health wise.[/QUOTE]



Agree on Berry. Not too worried about Cravens playing safety. That's where he started at USC (as a freshman) before morphing into a hybrid SS/strongside backer role. The kid is only 21 and is being developed to play a key role in Skins D. Speed may be average, but he makes plays.

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[quote=HTTR;1161442]Agree on Berry. Not too worried about Cravens playing safety. That's where he started at USC (as a freshman) before morphing into a hybrid SS/strongside backer role. The kid is only 21 and is being developed to play a key role in Skins D. Speed may be average, but he makes plays.[/quote]

He has good instincts and tends to be around the ball.

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Speaking of throwing up in my mouth a little:

[URL="http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18402789/ladainian-tomlinson-jason-taylor-brian-dawkins-2017-pro-football-hall-fame-finalists"]Jerry Jones is a finalist for the HOF[/URL], along with LaDainian Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, and Brian Dawkins.

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[quote=HTTR;1161442]Agree on Berry. Not too worried about Cravens playing safety. That's where he started at USC (as a freshman) before morphing into a hybrid SS/strongside backer role. The kid is only 21 and is being developed to play a key role in Skins D. Speed may be average, but he makes plays.[/quote]

Yeah I think what he lacks in speed he makes up for with very quick and decisive reads. It led him to beat a lot of players to the gap this year. Sometimes he made the wrong read and got out of position too quickly - that's going to happen with a rookie.

At safety, the only liability is deep middle in the FS role. When you've got to come up and make plays in front of you, decisive reads and quick reactions are key. But when it's deep middle, it's less about being decisive and more about can you just flat get there. Speed matters then.

I think he'll have enough lateral range on the short and intermediate stuff, but it's natural to be concerned about how he'd do against the long ball.

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[quote=MTK;1161364]Because we're already in the 4-3 the majority of the time. Doesn't matter what you play if you don't have the talent.[/quote]

I agree, that's why it doesn't make sense to go 3-4 base on most 1st downs without a true NT?

A good LB is easier to find than a good NT. Also, NT is a bit of a unique animal who occupies a niche roster spot and isn't good for anything else. Why have a guy who can only play the limited number of snaps in base.

From the stand point of finding talent, 4-3 DT are much easier to find in the draft.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1161033]The Redskins' last playoff win was actually 12 years ago. We beat Tampa Bay in the Wild Card game after the 2005 season.[/quote]

Damn, I totally forgot about that!!!!! All
I remember was the loss to
Hasselbeck.

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I really hope Joe Barry is let go. This defense need a redo big time.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1161608]I really hope Joe Barry is let go. This defense need a redo big time.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't appear that will be the case unfortunately

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161611]It doesn't appear that will be the case unfortunately[/quote]

That's BS.

I don't know if he will be there at pick 17 but I want Jamal Adams FS from LSU, pair him with Cravens

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161611]It doesn't appear that will be the case unfortunately[/quote]

Word out now is the whole defensive staff is being let go today.

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[QUOTE=hutch17;1161675]Word out now is the whole defensive staff is being let go today.[/QUOTE]
Just heard!! Very happy lol

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Someone start the thread...pft is saying jay fired entire defense staff

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[quote=Chico23231;1161682]Someone start the thread...pft is saying jay fired entire defense staff[/quote]

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