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[quote=Irrefutable;1158095]yes, the guy might be good in the future... the notion he is going to be dominate soon is far fetched[/quote]

You never know, he's starting to make plays, has good size (built like Michael Bennett and is also an undrafted FA like Bennett) has the physical abilities and is athletic. Anything is possible is what I meant.

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[QUOTE=calia;1158066]No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).



So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).



Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.[/QUOTE]



All qb's make mistakes their entire career from time to time. It is certainly not a habit with KC. Dak is a game manager. He has neither the touch nor the accuracy of KC. He is not half as lethal as KC. It is not even an argument.

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Dallas is on a roll and good for them..they have sucked for a long time ! I hate Philly and the Giants but you know what Dallas is good for the Redskins ..that rivalry brings a lot to this team.. they got good really quick but they had a plan..i can see the Skins are doing the same..you have to have a very good Oline..we are getting there! they have a great RB, we May have one if we give him the ball..they got extremely lucky that Dak is this good and kirk is a lot like Dak ..mid round pick more for insurance than quick fix and It has worked out for Us. so in the end IF Dallas can be the best team in the NFC that should be encouraging for the Skins ..we need to be very smart from here on out.every draft pick every FA move will be huge because we are very close ..how close well Look at dallas IF ROMO had not got hurt does anybody think they would be this good? so they were 1-2 players close. and they got lucky but luck has a lot to do with it. I believe we have better coaches ..both owners are quirky but at least Snyder does not call plays anymore. If we don't make playoffs so be it..we are close to being a dominate force in this league. We need To go all in On the Defense..We need serious upgrades! we need a C/G another TE and for Doctson to play..So there is no freak out here..we are close ..closer than some of you think. A couple right moves and we win 11 plus games easy . lets stay positive!!

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[quote=Bucket;1158094]OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.[/quote]

Winner winner chicken dinner. Well said.

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I honestly think we're good at Center. We need ILB, Safety, DTs, lots of work on defense, but if we need anything on offense, it's an upgrade at LG.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1158110]I honestly think we're good at Center. We need ILB, Safety, DTs, lots of work on defense, but if we need anything on offense, it's an upgrade at LG.[/quote]

Agree with this...think Spencer Long has been good at Center. And actually Sullivan stepped in well the other night...maybe that's the back up depth we've needed at that spot opposed to Leribeus.

At LG...we need more options. Id consider the Nsekhe-Williams-Long line up. Luavao strength is run blocking and well, we don't run the ball enough.

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[quote=punch it in;1158104]All qb's make mistakes their entire career from time to time. It is certainly not a habit with KC. Dak is a game manager. He has neither the touch nor the accuracy of KC. He is not half as lethal as KC. It is not even an argument.[/quote]

He's also a rookie who didn't play in a pro style offense at Miss State. You have to give that kid an awful lot of credit. He's been very impressive. It would be stupid for the Cowboys to run the offense that they'd run with Romo in there. Time will tell if he can grow into a complete NFL passer.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158111]Agree with this...think Spencer Long has been good at Center. And actually Sullivan stepped in well the other night...maybe that's the back up depth we've needed at that spot opposed to Leribeus.

At LG...we need more options. Id consider the Nsekhe-Williams-Long line up. Luavao strength is run blocking and well, we don't run the ball enough.[/quote]

It may be NFL football heresy to move TW to LG, but Nsekhe-Williams-Long-Scherff-Moses would be very strong, wouldn't it?

I read somewhere that TW doesn't like the idea. Well, I don't like him getting himself suspended in mid-season, so he can just deal with it. You know, team first and all that, Mr. Team Captain Williams.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158081]I hate to say it, but that play was fuckin awesome. I want McC to draft a strong dline man and sign one..Or mayb grab one of those jets interior dlinemen. Both on the block after the season.[/quote]

And to add insult to injury, after Lauvao got abused he didn't even stay on his feet. He ended up falling over backwards like a 1 year old baby learning how to walk. The Cards must be LOLing in their film session.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1158112]He's also a rookie who didn't play in a pro style offense at Miss State. You have to give that kid an awful lot of credit. He's been very impressive. It would be stupid for the Cowboys to run the offense that they'd run with Romo in there. Time will tell if he can grow into a complete NFL passer.[/quote]

Dak is doing a great job.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1158110]I honestly think we're good at Center. We need ILB, Safety, DTs, lots of work on defense, but if we need anything on offense, it's an upgrade at LG.[/quote]

You listed the short term problems. Next year they need help just about everywhere.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1158115]It may be NFL football heresy to move TW to LG, but Nsekhe-Williams-Long-Scherff-Moses would be very strong, wouldn't it?

I read somewhere that TW doesn't like the idea. Well, I don't like him getting himself suspended in mid-season, so he can just deal with it. You know, team first and all that, Mr. Team Captain Williams.[/quote]

TW has no more say in the matter...Man the fuck up because he bitched the fuck out the last 4 games.

Ill give Luavao 1 quarter this coming game, but if he struggles tell Silverblunt to be ready.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1158112]He's also a rookie who didn't play in a pro style offense at Miss State. You have to give that kid an awful lot of credit. He's been very impressive. It would be stupid for the Cowboys to run the offense that they'd run with Romo in there. Time will tell if he can grow into a complete NFL passer.[/QUOTE]



Absolutely give him credit. For doing exactly as he is told, playing with poise, not making mistakes, which is because he is not asked to do much, but sure he gets a ton of credit. KC right now is a top 5 quarterback though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158120]TW has no more say in the matter...Man the fuck up because he bitched the fuck out the last 4 games.

Ill give Luavao 1 quarter this coming game, but if he struggles tell [B]Silverblunt[/B] to be ready.[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=Bucket;1158094]OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.[/quote]

I agree, other than Arizona is a more complete team than us. They just happened to play a better game than us on Sunday. Arizona is a completely different team when they're at home versus on the road. I mean, extremely different. The#1 rated defensive team who was desperate and playing for their playoff lives, and they were at home (where they've been rather solid, this season).

As far, as the Cousins and Prescott synopsis, you're on point. Anyone who even halfway know the game can also see it. They're (the Cowboys) running an abbreviated Mississippi State offense. Prescott also rarely throws the ball under center, unless it's playaction or typically, boot action.

If anyone believes what they're doing is sustainable (long-term), even with the mega-offensive line, then you're more than likely gonna crap out. If you don't start seeing teams cracking it the remainder of the season or the playoffs, then you'll start to see it next season. Prescott will have to eventually evolve his game or the Cowboys' staff will have to get more creative. I'm not sure they can get more creative in disguising or minimizing weaknesses, as they're doing currently. So, the former will probably have to occur.

I find it funny seeing some Redskins fans worried about Dallas long-term. Why? There are only a small, handful of teams who has been seriously competitive long-term (ie, Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Ravens and the likes). Most of the league has been up-and-down to garbage. The Panthers had a dream season last year (15-1). They destroyed their share of teams, too. Look at 'em now. The Cardinals was 13-3 last season, and now are fighting to get into the playoffs.

This is a year-to-year league for most of the teams. Heck! It's basically a week-to-week league for the majority of the teams. Dallas is more prone to be fighting for their playoff lives or stinking it up, next season, than they are to being a consistent product like the teams I mentioned above. I'd wait another season or two before crowning Prescott and the Cowboys.

I also wouldn't mind another crack at 'em, if we make the playoffs. HTTR, folks!

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Problem is without fixing the redzone issue i don't believe we will make it..our Defense is giving up way to many points for us to miss any opportunity at Td's..we can't make the playoffs kicking FG's .for what it is worth I think Cousins is a much better QB than Dak but I give credit where it is due.

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Dallas has a better record, and beat the Redskins two out of two so far. I'm not sure I'm ready to say they are a better team though. In my humble Dallas Cowboy hater opinion, they just happened to score a few more points than the Redskins did on two separate occasions, head to head in 2016. Both games could have easily been wins for the Redskins with a little better execution in a couple key moments...I for one, hope they are able to meet again in the playoffs.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1158131]Dallas has a better record, and beat the Redskins two out of two so far. I'm not sure I'm ready to say they are a better team though. In my humble Dallas Cowboy hater opinion, they just happened to score a few more points than the Redskins did on two separate occasions, head to head in 2016. Both games could have easily been wins for the Redskins with a little better execution in a couple key moments...I for one, hope they are able to meet again in the playoffs.[/quote]

Agree...they've been poised and executed their gameplan maybe the best out of any team this year in the NFL. But the boys arent head and shoulders better than any current playoff team in the NFC and that's a clear fact. Wild card teams like the Giants, Detroit or Tampa bay could beat them at home.

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[quote=rocnrik;1158130]Problem is without fixing the redzone issue i don't believe we will make it..our Defense is giving up way to many points for us to miss any opportunity at Td's..we can't make the playoffs kicking FG's .for what it is worth I think Cousins is a much better QB than Dak but I give credit where it is due.[/quote]

The defense is so bad its sort of amazing that we've won as many games as we have.

We can make the playoffs by fixing the redzone problems. The defense sucks, there's no question about it. We have to be able to off-set that by scoring 35 - 40 points every week. No other way

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[quote=rocnrik;1158130]Problem is without fixing the redzone issue i don't believe we will make it..our Defense is giving up way to many points for us to miss any opportunity at Td's..we can't make the playoffs kicking FG's .for what it is worth I think Cousins is a much better QB than Dak but I give credit where it is due.[/quote]

If Gruden can dismiss Jim Haslett, then why can't he dismiss Joe Barry and Sean McVay who are far worse? If the coordination of the offense and defense is below average then a change has to happen!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1158097]Sometimes the truth hurts.[/QUOTE]
Comparing dak to kirk is not even fair. Dak literally looks at 2 reads 90% of the time and both are usually a check down safe pass to Beasley or witten. He's ranked like 30th in pass attempts of 25 yards or more down field. I saw the stat last week, only Alex Smith and kaepernick were behind him. He's a check down king.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1158115]It may be NFL football heresy to move TW to LG, but Nsekhe-Williams-Long-Scherff-Moses would be very strong, wouldn't it?

I read somewhere that TW doesn't like the idea. Well, I don't like him getting himself suspended in mid-season, so he can just deal with it. You know, team first and all that, Mr. Team Captain Williams.[/quote]


B. Mitch said pretty much the same thing early this week and I agree with him. Our back is against the wall, and T. Williams is partly to blame in all this so he has absolutely ZERO say in this.

I would take Shawn "roller skates" Lauvao out and replace him with Trent Williams. It's about having your best 5 lineman out there and the lineup you listed above is just that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1158144]Comparing dak to kirk is not even fair. Dak literally looks at 2 reads 90% of the time and both are usually a check down safe pass to Beasley or witten. He's ranked like 30th in pass attempts of 25 yards or more down field. I saw the stat last week, only Alex Smith and kaepernick were behind him. He's a check down king.[/quote]

Glass half empty analysis. The glass half full variant is a rookie QB who ACTUALLY goes through his progressions and does not try to 'force the play'. Call him a 'check down king' if you like. But that is a part of the reason he only has 2 INTs on the season.

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If he were the QB for the Redskins and having that type of year, would I be pumped? Absolutely. Do I think he's the next coming of Brady? I absolutely do not. I need to see more of a body of work.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1158150]If he were the QB for the Redskins and having that type of year, would I be pumped? Absolutely. Do I think he's the next coming of Brady? I absolutely do not. I need to see more of a body of work.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I am not anointing him with ANYTHING. I see the season Dak is having and rather than get excited, my first thoughts are of 2 things. RG3 and Nick Foles.

Two GREAT rookie seasons. And where are they now?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1158151]Don't get me wrong, I am not anointing him with ANYTHING. I see the season Dak is having and rather than get excited, my first thoughts are of 2 things. RG3 and Nick Foles.

Two GREAT rookie seasons. And where are they now?[/quote]

No Zeke, we are talking about Romo's season at QB. period

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Casserly says Fuller shouldn't be playing slot, his change of direction is not good enough, should be playing outside.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1158151]Don't get me wrong, I am not anointing him with ANYTHING. I see the season Dak is having and rather than get excited, my first thoughts are of 2 things. RG3 and Nick Foles.

Two GREAT rookie seasons. And where are they now?[/quote]

As a Cowboys fan, would you rather Romo be in there? I just wonder if game management will be enough in the playoffs. Hey, I'm a Cowboy-hater like anyone else here, but if I was a fan, I'd want the guy making plays when teams stack up against the run in the postseason.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1158158]As a Cowboys fan, would you rather Romo be in there? I just wonder if game management will be enough in the playoffs. Hey, I'm a Cowboy-hater like anyone else here, but if I was a fan, I'd want the guy making plays when teams stack up against the run in the postseason.[/quote]

I think if Romo were in there, the teams success would still be there. Remember, when a healthy Romo played his last full season, they were 13-3 regular season and he finished second to Rodgers in the MVP voting. They had DeMarco Murray then. But Zeke is better than Murray, so I think Romo could have leaned on Zeke as much as Dak.

I will say this about the two. Dak does not lose games. Where Romo has been known to lose those close games in the 4th quarter. Why I think that Dallas would not be 11-1 at this point.

I do think we will get our chance to see. I truly believe that if and when Dallas locks up the top seed in the NFC, that Dak will sit and they will let Romo finish the regular season. And I think he will want to show the other 31 teams in the league that he is healthy and can still play at a high level. It will be his updated resume. And Dallas will let him so they can get trade value for him in the off-season.

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I'll vomit if somehow they swing high picks for him. :D

It would have to be an adjusted contract though. I can see him heading to Denver...

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1158169]I think if Romo were in there, the teams success would still be there. Remember, when a healthy Romo played his last full season, they were 13-3 regular season and he finished second to Rodgers in the MVP voting. They had DeMarco Murray then. But Zeke is better than Murray, so I think Romo could have leaned on Zeke as much as Dak.

I will say this about the two. Dak does not lose games. Where Romo has been known to lose those close games in the 4th quarter. Why I think that Dallas would not be 11-1 at this point.

I do think we will get our chance to see. I truly believe that if and when Dallas locks up the top seed in the NFC,[B][I] that Dak will sit and they will let Romo finish the regular season. And I think he will want to show the other 31 teams in the league that he is healthy and can still play at a high level. It will be his updated resume. And Dallas will let him so they can get trade value for him in the off-season[/I][/B].[/quote]

I would be surprised as fock if they do that,I don't see it happening,unless,unless it's the last game of the season,then maybe.
I would love to see Romo go to the Texans but that's not gonna happen.O'Brien is no qb guru as advertised,not happy with him or the gm.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1158154]Casserly says Fuller shouldn't be playing slot, his change of direction is not good enough, should be playing outside.[/quote]

I was thinking about this. Has Fuller ever played slot? I assume he was an outside corner throughout his HS and College career. Are we asking a rookie who has never played slot, to play slot?

Revisiting the sacks against the Cards - their O line looked as billed, horrible. Yet we only managed 2 sacks. Thats a failure on Barry imo. For whatever reason, he didnt get sacks against a team that allows a lot of sacks. It is obvious that we dont have a pass rush but the Cards game was a painful reminder.

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Fuller is 8 games a starter in the NFL. His hips are a bit stiff but I think that improves as you get more use to the speed of the NFL. He's been against some pretty damn good competition in the slot.

Joe BARRY just now started putting our #1 on the other teams #1 when they move him to the slot. Should of been doing it from the get go.

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I know i'm late to thread but i thought i would add one point. Was at game and there were a ton of Skins fans there. way more than it was the last time they came to Arizona.