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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1170642]Ummm - from your article:



The Harvard analysis put Trump's at around 80% negative. If Pres Obama had EVER received 80% negative press reports I believe we would have had a societal mass mental breakdown on our hands because of how easy liberals are offended.

I would say in a society in which about 50% of the public leans toward the left and 50% lean toward the right a 47% negative is what you should expect.(which is why I don't look at the 52% negative from Fox as a dispositive to the fact that the media en masse is blatantly biased)

The sheer hysteria and tidal wave that is the mainstream media simply causes a large portion of the population to ignore them. Personally, I haven't turned CNN on in months, and the network news shows and newsfeeds are really useless as well.[/quote]


Yet the Cult of Trump says Obama deserved that coverage and say Trump does not.The republican hypocrisy is astonishing!

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1170643]Yet the Cult of Trump says Obama deserved that coverage and say Trump does not.The republican hypocrisy is astonishing![/QUOTE]
And liberal lack of critical thinking strikes deeper. My post acknowledged fox having a 52% negative made sense just like obama having a 47% negative makes sense given the current bipolar nature of american civil society right now. But an 80%-90% negative from the "mainstream" media is beyond the pale of media bias and is purely venomous.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1170644]And liberal lack of critical thinking strikes deeper. My post acknowledged fox having a 52% negative made sense just like obama having a 47% negative makes sense given the current bipolar nature of american civil society right now. But an 80%-90% negative from the "mainstream" media is beyond the pale of media bias and is purely venomous.

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Not when you take into account that the media only reports what goes on and lets face it,the trump cult refuse's to accept his inability to run the country. It's news and the media is reporting the news .The more the right complains about it just proves that they know there is a problem with trump and just don't want those "problems known".

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[quote=Giantone;1170647]Not when you take into account that [COLOR="Red"]the media only reports what goes on[/COLOR] and lets face it,the trump cult refuse's to accept his inability to run the country. It's news and the media is reporting the news .The more the right complains about it just proves that they know there is a problem with trump and just don't want those "problems known".[/quote]

*faceplam*
Did they pay you to say that?

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[quote=Giantone;1170647][B]Not when you take into account that the media only reports what goes on[/B] and lets face it,the trump cult refuse's to accept his inability to run the country. It's news and the media is reporting the news .The more the right complains about it just proves that they know there is a problem with trump and just don't want those "problems known".[/quote]

This is certainly a false statement.

First, they pick and chose what to report, how much time to spend on reporting it and MOST importantly, they synchronize an angle on presenting a story. There are at-length meetings within news organizations that do this daily. talking points and language are crucial...they develop a script.

Giantone you've dug yourself a terrible pit. Harvard independent study is pretty clear and prominent source.

I suggest stepping back and trying to think independently and objectively....unlike CNN, NBC and CBS.

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The bigger problem I see beyond the so called bias is people are getting to the point where they are dismissing legit news or basically anything they don't agree with. Much like the science deniers or anti vaccine movement, it's a scary time when people blow off legit facts.

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[quote=MTK;1170651]The bigger problem I see beyond the so called bias is people are getting to the point where they are dismissing legit news or basically anything they don't agree with. Much like the science deniers or anti vaccine movement, it's a scary time when people blow off legit facts.[/quote]

Good point.

Also what goes along with that point is actual fake news stories that spread on social media...where very over-the-top, made up stories are shared and actually taken as fact by the reader without any type of research or thought for that matter. 60 minutes found that this is a phenomena on both sides, right and left...research showed this. Social media has been quite devastating to the mind, much more dumb and unable to think for yourself. I also think people have a serious problem too with any type of conflict or disagreement. Its easier for people just to "log off" a conversation they don't agree with.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170649]

Giantone you've dug yourself a terrible pit. Harvard independent study is pretty clear and prominent source.

I suggest stepping back and trying to think independently and objectively....unlike CNN, NBC and CBS.[/quote]


No you keep running away from the facts.I asked you what does it say that even FOX reports Negative news about Trump 52% of the time ,and you ignore it.I ask again,"what form of news and from whom will you accept"?

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[url=http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-oe-mcmanus15-2009mar15-column.html]A 'back channel' appeal to Iran - LA Times[/url]

A 'back channel' appeal to Iran.


You will hear back channel a lot now...all of a sudden, because this is apparently new to snowflakes and general idiots.

But do you remember when Obama sent a top aid to Iran-yes the same country that is a state sponsor of terrorism- before he took office and after he won the election to open a back channel?

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[url=http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/27/jared-kushner-russia-backchannel-protocol-238888]Kushner’s alleged Russia back-channel attempt would be serious break from protocol - POLITICO[/url]


From the link...........


Many said that while presidents often set up back-channel communications with various countries, it’s neither wise nor normal for a president-elect to set up such continuing contact before the inauguration, despite likely pressure from foreign countries.

Also, the idea of using the equipment of a foreign country, especially an adversary such as Russia, would be acutely alarming.

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The last guy did it so... nothing to see here folks. Move along.

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[quote=MTK;1170740]The last guy did it so... nothing to see here folks. Move along.[/quote]

Once precedent has been established, nothing we can do. We just have to trust Trump/Kushner to make decisions for our best interests.

/sarcasm in case yall mufuckas don't know me well enough by now.

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But that's not the question...Can we trust the media to frame information in a way that is fair and not basis?

If back channels are a normal way to do diplomacy with sensitive issues such as the Syrian War and Isis, then it makes sense.

You cant have the LA Times write an article 8 years ago saying its ok to set up a back channel with Iran...done by flying an Obama surrogate into Tehran....before he took the office. And then write another article condemning the Trump administration in doing the samething. Cleary dishonest reporting.

Im not saying either is right...Im just pointing to the fact of media bias in similar situations.

I really think their would be much less political hate between everyone if everything was really reported on more of a baseline, even approach.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170760]But that's not the question...Can we trust the media to frame information in a way that is fair and not basis?

If back channels are a normal way to do diplomacy with sensitive issues such as the Syrian War and Isis, then it makes sense.

You cant have the LA Times write an article 8 years ago saying its ok to set up a back channel with Iran...done by flying an Obama surrogate into Tehran....before he took the office. And then write another article condemning the Trump administration in doing the samething. Cleary dishonest reporting.

Im not saying either is right...Im just pointing to the fact of media bias in similar situations.

I really think their would be much less political hate between everyone if everything was really reported on more of a baseline, even approach.[/quote]
Sorry the article you link says nothing about it being done before Obama took office,Obama and Trump were two different circumstance's. Trump has gotten caught he needs to do the right thing and resign.
Chico you will never trust the media unless they tell you what you want to hear,if they don't it's "fake News".

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[quote=Giantone;1170771]Sorry the article you link says nothing about it being done before Obama took office,Obama and Trump were two different circumstance's. Trump has gotten caught he needs to do the right thing and resign.
Chico you will never trust the media unless they tell you what you want to hear,if they don't it's "fake News".[/quote]

WSJ said it...I haven't looked for that article. But I posted the LA Times one because the bias of the double standard was a good one. Obama does it, its smart diplomacy; Trump does it, its not.

I def don't trust any media because its become more tabloid and the speed of reporting matters more than factual reporting. Who can get it out first, facts be damn.

Now its become bias in the presentation of stories, where there is a clear over-hanging narrative which links everything. The most mainstream media is doing everything to smear the President. Its clear. This is new actually...we should be able to recognize it.



sidenote....You do know the Hillary Clinton campaign colluded with multiple elements in the liberal media against Bernie Sanders? You need to look at wikileaks...its interesting.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170777]WSJ said it...I haven't looked for that article. But I posted the LA Times one because the bias of the double standard was a good one. [B]Obama does it, its smart diplomacy[/B]; Trump does it, its not.

[/quote]

Not for me it isn't. They should both be held to the same standard. Backdoor communications to circumvent the official processes should only be used in the most extreme of cases. I will acknowledge it's easier to focus on the present form of abuse, considering Obama did it 8 years or so. It doesn't excuse it by any stretch but if you're saying we should let it slide this time because Obama did it I disagree. It's not just the back channel comms to be concerned about, it's what they're discussing using the back channel comms. If either were using it for illegal purposes they should be held accountable. But we both know that ain't gonna happen.

[quote]
I def don't trust any media because its become more tabloid and the speed of reporting matters more than factual reporting. Who can get it out first, facts be damn.
[/quote]

This is true. Who can break news first is definitely more important than being accurate. They can always just print a retraction later that 1/10 of the people will read compared to the actual story.

[quote]
Now its become bias in the presentation of stories, where there is a clear over-hanging narrative which links everything. The most mainstream media is doing everything to smear the President. Its clear. This is new actually...we should be able to recognize it.
[/quote]

I prefer to believe it's all about clicks. The death of print media has left these companies scared and they're turning to more and more alternative tactics to raise profits again. Like blurring the lines between shitty opinion articles and trying to present them like its' news. It's one of my main beefs with MSNBC.

[quote]
sidenote....You do know the Hillary Clinton campaign colluded with multiple elements in the liberal media against Bernie Sanders? You need to look at wikileaks...its interesting.[/quote]

Yes, I'm aware of this and that's why I didn't vote for her. The American people (including me) wanted Bernie and the DNC didn't want him. Yes I know his free college plans were unrealistic, but they never would've passed anyway (remember that whole checks/balances thing?). I believe progress would have been made though. Instead here we are with Trump trying to bring back coal jobs (news alert, the coal industry is dead because it was abandoned in favor of cheaper energy) and deregulating anything and everything Obama did. But don't worry, all you middle aged people will be dead by the time global warming starts to cause serious consequences. As long as you've got your retirement fund who cares though, right?

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[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-explains-kushner-and-the-back-story-of-back-channels/ar-BBBJJrw?li=BBnb7Kz]AP Explains: Kushner and the back story of back channels[/url]

This article was written by the AP, and republished by MSN. So if you're going to call it fake news, please back it up by explaining why it's fake news. It does a good job (at least for me) of explaining back channels and it even discusses Obama's back channels with Iran which were used to set up the early stages of the nuclear deal he did with them. Of interesting note was the quote by Richard Moss (a professor at the US Naval War College), that back channels can be an effective tool, but that they work best when they supplement traditional diplomacy rather than supplant it. So for me, my issue isn't that back channels exist. It's that Trump's son-in-law (a guy hired because his father-in-law became commander in chief) was the one setting it up and also that it was recommended (by either him or the Russians, not sure which) that they use Russia's personal channels back to Moscow. I don't think either of those things are appropriate, especially given Kushner's previous business deals with Russia.

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Whether you like "back channels" or not really isn't the issue. I personally don't have a problem with them when dealing with sensitive foreign policy issues.

I guess my point is this, aside from Russia story: What if a story came out today that Trump sent a white house official to Tehran to set up a back channel early in his Presidency? How would that story play in the press today?

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[quote=Chico23231;1170789][B]Whether you like "back channels" or not really isn't the issue[/B]. I personally don't have a problem with them when dealing with sensitive foreign policy issues.

I guess my point is this, aside from Russia story: What if a story came out today that Trump sent a white house official to Tehran to set up a back channel early in his Presidency? How would that story play in the press today?[/quote]

I don't have a problem with them, the issue at hand is what the back channel is being used for. Same goes for Tehran too. If he was using it for good reasons I wouldn't care, if he was using it to make shady backhand business deals that don't benefit the public I would absolutely care.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170789]Whether you like "back channels" or not really isn't the issue. I personally don't have a problem with them when dealing with sensitive foreign policy issues.

I guess my point is this, aside from Russia story: What if a story came out today that Trump sent a white house official to Tehran to set up a back channel early in his Presidency? How would that story play in the press today?[/quote]

There is a difference when you do it and you are the President and when you do it and are still a "private citizen".

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[quote=Chico23231;1170777]WSJ said it...I haven't looked for that article. But I posted the LA Times one because the bias of the double standard was a good one. Obama does it, its smart diplomacy; Trump does it, its not.

I def don't trust any media because its become more tabloid and the speed of reporting matters more than factual reporting. Who can get it out first, facts be damn.

Now its become bias in the presentation of stories, where there is a clear over-hanging narrative which links everything. The most mainstream media is doing everything to smear the President. Its clear. This is new actually...we should be able to recognize it.



sidenote....You do know the Hillary Clinton campaign colluded with multiple elements in the liberal media against Bernie Sanders? You need to look at wikileaks...its interesting.[/quote]



???So you admit to not trusting the media yet you will swear by "wikileaks"?Your accusations are more and more far fetch,like trump you are grasping at straws.


[url]http://time.com/4625301/cia-russia-wikileaks-dnc-hacking/[/url]

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For me, the bottom line, regardless of the details is why this administration seems willing to stake SO much on Russia while basically telling our allies to fuck off.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1170804]For me, the bottom line, regardless of the details is why this administration seems willing to stake SO much on Russia while basically telling our allies to fuck off.[/QUOTE]
I tend to think its because our allies had taken advantage of us and taken our presence for granted in many ways. And in order to get back to a mutually beneficial point you have to bring an outside force into the equation. Remember, the second Bush also didnt cowtow ro the extremely liberal agenda that dominates european politics. The administration has not broken ranks with Saudi Arabia Israel or other non-socialistic governments. Face it, a non liberal agenda isnt going to go over well in Europe ESPECIALLY when you start telling them they need to pay their portion in defense.

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Not a fan of FOX but this is right on the money!!


[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-criticizes-trump-twitter-rants-against-news-media-2017-6]Fox News host criticizes Trump: Media is not the problem, 'it's you' - Business Insider[/url]

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-meeting/index.html]Donald Trump just held the weirdest Cabinet meeting ever - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

this is the type of stuff that really is insane. who thinks this is a good idea to have a scripted, faux circle jerk like this? waste of time

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[quote=Chico23231;1170901][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-meeting/index.html"]Donald Trump just held the weirdest Cabinet meeting ever - CNNPolitics.com[/URL]

this is the type of stuff that really is insane. who thinks this is a good idea to have a scripted, faux circle jerk like this? waste of time[/quote]

Be careful Chico, you're quoting CNN. Fake news!

Also here's a shot of Trump from his cabinet meeting:

[IMG]https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/488/485/485488.jpg[/IMG]

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The political hate in this country has to end. We need to be able to express our difference in views and policy in a way where we listen first, listen second, **think** and respond. Today isn't about left vs right...dem vs rep...but a realization this has to end. Guilt is a two way street on both sides.

Social media and mainstream media has really stoked the flames of this political hate, we need to realize it. We shouldn't support media that has become more of an institution of sowing discord in order to profit. Trying to write narratives that divide the landscape of the country is wrong and simply false...and it a definite contributing factor in this violence.

Even though I may disagree with some folks like mooby and giantone, there is no way I dislike these guys.

And what happened today is not terrorism. this is rhetoric. I say this is a opportunity to say hey, lets step back a second.

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I also agree that violence doesn't solve anything, in fact in regards to today it's only going to make things worse. It would be nice if today was used as an opportunity to bridge the gap, but I'm sure people will use it as an opportunity to blame the other side for taking it to the extreme. It should never come to this, hopefully we aren't all lumped in together.

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[quote=mooby;1170931]I also agree that violence doesn't solve anything, in fact in regards to today it's only going to make things worse. It would be nice if today was used as an opportunity to bridge the gap, but I'm sure people will use it as an opportunity to blame the other side for taking it to the extreme. It should never come to this, hopefully we aren't all lumped in together.[/quote]

agree. We need to say, how did we come to this? finger pointing isn't gonna work

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[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/14/paul-ryan-attack-on-one-us-is-attack-on-all-us.html]Paul Ryan: 'An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us' | Fox News[/url]

Paul Ryan effing nails it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170938][url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/14/paul-ryan-attack-on-one-us-is-attack-on-all-us.html]Paul Ryan: 'An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us' | Fox News[/url]

Paul Ryan effing nails it.[/quote]

I agree but it all starts at the top .He needs to lead by example .

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[quote=Giantone;1170965]I agree but it all starts at the top .He needs to lead by example .[/quote]

Trump did well yesterday...or are your falling in with the typical "this is Trump's fault" rhetoric from some yesterday on social media?

I think we've seen enough killing from the Alt-left in the last year...Dallas Police shootings, the rampage in California a couple months ago, and yesterday.

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I agree, but the bar is so damn low. Just keep waiting for him later on to say, "Wasn't the speech I gave amazing? America is united thanks to me."

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He's a "one baby step forward, 10000000000000 step back" kind of dude.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170967]Trump did well yesterday...or are your falling in with the typical "this is Trump's fault" rhetoric from some yesterday on social media?

I think we've seen enough killing from the Alt-left in the last year...Dallas Police shootings, the rampage in California a couple months ago, and yesterday.[/quote]

I liked your unity speech Chico, but do we really need to sit here and act like all the extremes are on one side? I guess all those racist lone-wolfers don't count because they didn't pile up enough bodies? Every group, doesn't matter which side of the table, will always have a small percentage of people that are extremists. Every religion, every political group. This was an opportunity for people to set aside their political differences to come together for the common good, aka not dying because of their beliefs. I guess it's too late for that shit though. Carry on.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170967]Trump did well yesterday...or are your falling in with the typical "this is Trump's fault" rhetoric from some yesterday on social media?

I think we've seen enough killing from the Alt-left in the last year...Dallas Police shootings, the rampage in California a couple months ago, and yesterday.[/quote]

Don't look now but guess who is finger pointing?

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[quote=mooby;1170972]I liked your unity speech Chico, but do we really need to sit here and act like all the extremes are on one side? I guess all those racist lone-wolfers don't count because they didn't pile up enough bodies? Every group, doesn't matter which side of the table, will always have a small percentage of people that are extremists. Every religion, every political group. This was an opportunity for people to set aside their political differences to come together for the common good, aka not dying because of their beliefs. I guess it's too late for that shit though. Carry on.[/quote]

Crazies on both sides, absolutely true. But I think a major misconception should be addressed; liberal moral high ground. Right now I think you see a lot of the progressive movement (2010-now) what you saw in the religious right movement (1986ish-92) in the GOP. A lot of hypocrisy. Simply don't have the time to get into it...but the arrogance is quite frankly, disappointing. I think the intellectual elitism element was effectively crushed by the Trump election..."we can never lose this, we are too smart, how could we lose to Donald Trump? we got this election"...etc. That part of it is dead, intellectual high ground was promptly defeated at that point.


But the moral high ground...has had a strong argument thanks to George Dubwah. But right now you cant claim pacifism but continue to conduct political violence; You cant claim equality, but then restrict people's free speech; etc.


Not saying his act was politically motivated, but the insane piece of garbage in Portland who stabbed the heroes who came to the defense of the Muslims...Another Bernie supporter.





Step back yes...I think the mainstream media should be the first to do so. I also think labeling and language is a big part. Honesty probably the biggest part of doing so (president Trump Im looking at you too). Do we think "fake news" is a term that was born overnight? No...people have been very skeptical since Fox news became a standard for right-leaning journalism. But isn't it ironic how that kinda lead the way and the response from other news sources was to pick a side? So the media and its bias coverage did it to itself. And now there mad at being called out on it? really? Its extremely interesting time we live in.

Perfect example of Bias...what big piece of information is missing in the headline and the body of this article:[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/karen-handel-threatening-letters/index.html]Threatening letter sent to congressional candidate's home - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1170978]Crazies on both sides, absolutely true. But I think a major misconception should be addressed; liberal moral high ground. Right now I think you see a lot of the progressive movement (2010-now) what you saw in the religious right movement (1986ish-92) in the GOP. A lot of hypocrisy. Simply don't have the time to get into it...but the arrogance is quite frankly, disappointing. I think the intellectual elitism element was effectively crushed by the Trump election..."we can never lose this, we are too smart, how could we lose to Donald Trump? we got this election"...etc. That part of it is dead, intellectual high ground was promptly defeated at that point.


But the moral high ground...has had a strong argument thanks to George Dubwah. But right now you cant claim pacifism but continue to conduct political violence; You cant claim equality, but then restrict people's free speech; etc.


Not saying his act was politically motivated, but the insane piece of garbage in Portland who stabbed the heroes who came to the defense of the Muslims...Another Bernie supporter.





Step back yes...I think the mainstream media should be the first to do so. I also think labeling and language is a big part. Honesty probably the biggest part of doing so (president Trump Im looking at you too). Do we think "fake news" is a term that was born overnight? No...people have been very skeptical since Fox news became a standard for right-leaning journalism. But isn't it ironic how that kinda lead the way and the response from other news sources was to pick a side? So the media and its bias coverage did it to itself. And now there mad at being called out on it? really? Its extremely interesting time we live in.

Perfect example of Bias...what big piece of information is missing in the headline and the body of this article:[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/karen-handel-threatening-letters/index.html]Threatening letter sent to congressional candidate's home - CNNPolitics.com[/url][/quote]


You want people to blame someone fine,like I said it needs to start at the top first.


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-100th-day-speech-may-have-been-the-most-hate-filled-in-modern-history/2017/05/01/da4ad496-2e99-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.9cf49b427da1[/url]

[url=http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article114347423.html#1]Donald Trump is role model; kids try hate speech | The Sacramento Bee[/url]


[url]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/florida-trump-supporter-outrages-neighborhood-hate-speech-signs/[/url]




.....how long before this looney gets his gun?


Keep pointing fingers Chico.





It's always the left isn't it Chico.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UALOMSIiSc[/url]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxHp8Hughd0[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1170978]Crazies on both sides, absolutely true. But I think a major misconception should be addressed; liberal moral high ground. Right now I think you see a lot of the progressive movement (2010-now) what you saw in the religious right movement (1986ish-92) in the GOP. A lot of hypocrisy. Simply don't have the time to get into it...but the arrogance is quite frankly, disappointing. I think the intellectual elitism element was effectively crushed by the Trump election..."we can never lose this, we are too smart, how could we lose to Donald Trump? we got this election"...etc. That part of it is dead, intellectual high ground was promptly defeated at that point.


But the moral high ground...has had a strong argument thanks to George Dubwah. But right now you cant claim pacifism but continue to conduct political violence; You cant claim equality, but then restrict people's free speech; etc.


Not saying his act was politically motivated, but the insane piece of garbage in Portland who stabbed the heroes who came to the defense of the Muslims...Another Bernie supporter.





Step back yes...I think the mainstream media should be the first to do so. I also think labeling and language is a big part. Honesty probably the biggest part of doing so (president Trump Im looking at you too). Do we think "fake news" is a term that was born overnight? No...people have been very skeptical since Fox news became a standard for right-leaning journalism. But isn't it ironic how that kinda lead the way and the response from other news sources was to pick a side? So the media and its bias coverage did it to itself. And now there mad at being called out on it? really? Its extremely interesting time we live in.

Perfect example of Bias...what big piece of information is missing in the headline and the body of this article:[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/karen-handel-threatening-letters/index.html]Threatening letter sent to congressional candidate's home - CNNPolitics.com[/url][/quote]

I agree on your first point, if the left wants to win the next election (or even just swing some seats in Congress) they need to stop mocking Trump's voter base and try to find some common ground with them. I am certainly guilty of mocking Americans that I consider not as smart as myself, so feel free to lump me in with the left on this one. The forgotten middle class American that turned to Trump because the left (and specifically Hilldawg) ignored them is the major reason he won. It's a lot easier said than done though, and quite honestly my biggest hope is that eventually, in a few years, they will realize Trump has duped them along with every high ranking politician of the last few years.

Also I need to mention I didn't see or hear anything that the racist Portland stabber was a Bernie supporter. I did see the crazy shit he was talking during his court appearance and have read the transcripts from the shit he was talking in the patrol car, and it seems to me he just has mental health issues, so I'm not sure it's fair to talk about him like he's a sane guy who stabbed people in the name of his beliefs. So tl;dr, please back that up with a reputable source, aka no Breitbart or The Blaze.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170930]The political hate in this country has to end. We need to be able to express our difference in views and policy in a way where we listen first, listen second, **think** and respond. Today isn't about left vs right...dem vs rep...but a realization this has to end. Guilt is a two way street on both sides.

[B][I]Social media and mainstream media has really stoked the flames of this political hate,[/I][/B] we need to realize it. We shouldn't support media that has become more of an institution of sowing discord in order to profit. Trying to write narratives that divide the landscape of the country is wrong and simply false...and it a definite contributing factor in this violence.

Even though I may disagree with some folks like mooby and giantone, there is no way I dislike these guys.

And what happened today is not terrorism. this is rhetoric. I say this is a opportunity to say hey, lets step back a second.[/quote]

Couldnt agree more,I've never seen so much hate about a candidate and Facebook takes it up to a whole new level