Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Cowher and Gruden are not coaching again and they shouldn't both have been gone for a while now

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1032885]There is no coach on staff that can (or is being allowed to).

It's not an isolated incident, it's been happening for over 3 yrs.

Average NFL HC tenure is approx. 3.25 yrs. There have been at least 17 coaching changes after MS was hired. This doesn't include any coaches hired in the same off-season as MS.

[B]These are the players MS has brought in, if they're consistently not making plays then the HC's talent-evaluation skills should be called into question.[/B][/quote]

Yes, correct.. Although, didn't he bring them in on a restricted budget? It's not like he actually picked whatever he wanted.

Our talent level clearly shows we have holes in critical areas. He brought in PG, Reed, RG3, Alfo, Amerson, Kerrigan, Coefield, etc...

Those are some pretty damn good players, but I feel like the buck stops just about there. You are never going to be 100% when bringing in players.

We left some plays out on the field last night, and allowed Dallas to many. That's the bottom line, and whatever coach change you want to make will not change that fact.

Also, every coach in the NFL has a few poor clock management questions.

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I dont know what ti think anymore at this point. What i do know is i can't put last night on haslett... but i would put it on the shanahans... I've disliked kyle (even last year when things were going well) and his playcalling is just awful... i would wait til the end of the year, cuz barring a miracle this season is all but over.. why? Because.i cannot see.this team playing well enough to finish strong and win the division .. its not the same offense as last year... its not the same rg3 yet physically OR mentally... i think there is problems in coaching and game mgmt .. i think its time for a change, but not sure of a mid season change is the way to go...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032890]Cowher and Gruden are not coaching again and they shouldn't both have been gone for a while now[/quote]

I think the door is still open for Gruden to coach again

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032901]I think the door is still open for Gruden to coach again[/quote]

Apparently theres alot of appeal to him via his close work and analyses of teams over the years ..

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Maybe we give up Mike and Kyle, for John and Jay?

We like to keep the family in a "Family business"

Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Del Rio had great success as a DC with Baltimore and Carolina. He coached in the atrocious sports city of Jacksonville for a long time, and I would say made the absolute most of a horrible situation. Look at how much worse they are now? Not sure why everyone laughs at the man as a HC?
Edit: he isnt my first choice as our next guy, but it is far from laughable.

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I want an HC who can give this team an identity and get maximum results/performance from his players, and at the same time gives the attention to details like clock-management and constant in-game adjustments. We're missing on all cylinders right now in these ways.

I also want that coach to have an opportunity to scout all the players on the roster, and that isn't even possible under the current coaching group. The more it rolls around upstairs I like the idea of giving Raheem the rest of the season to mix things up and put the word out Washington is looking for the best HC, OC and DC available. I feel like our process has sucked the last two changeovers. Post Gibbs II was a mess, and bringing in father/son combo was super risky. Hopefully BA can manage this process like a pro and next year is all positive.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

My Pick would be

HC= M. Shanny
OC=Kubiac
DC= Ron Rivera

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

If we had to get rid of someone. I would rather see Kyle go, then Mike.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;1032909]My Pick would be

HC= M. Shanny
OC=Kubiac
DC= Ron Rivera[/quote]

It would be very interesting if Kyle left and Mike stay and Kubiak was available. Don't see it, but interesting proposition nonetheless

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[quote=NC_Skins;1032815]Just FYI.


‏[B]@HTTR24_7

Chances this rumor has anything to it..Probably 1%. But funny how all this stuff kicks up when a team struggles.[/B]

(in relation to [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/54731-whos-your-picks-next-hc-dc-3.html#post1032806[/url])


Don't get too excited people.[/quote]

Who do you suppose it could be?

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

I can't tell who is more to blame in the offense Mike or Kyle. Gary was his ace in the past and maybe they could recreate the magic. I for one would like to see the skins on hardknocks for this reason!

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[quote=Bucket;1032883]Del Rio? lol

I remember when some of the same people in here bashed the coaches for dropping to get Kerrigan and [B]not picking up Blaine Gabbart.[/B]


[B][U]Who in their right mind was asking for Gabbs?[/U][/B]

The only coaching change to be considered right now is the coach that teaches RG3 how to read the defense, and make the right throws.


[B][U]Badly needed. I guess KYLE doesn't install QB lessons but rather the 1st year QB coach if not mistaken is supposed to be doing just that[/U][/B]



Even on the dropped pass to Morris. People were screaming for Helu to be in the game. The same people who wanted to know why Morris couldn't be involved in the passing game more.

[B][U]Again, who would really ask for that? Morris has NEVER been a receiving target based on his college production[/U][/B]

The revolving door coaching approach is tiresome, and till we start having players make the plays. It wont ****ing matter who the head coach is... Everyone busted Danny Smiths balls last year... Well, it's not looking to much greener at the moment.[/quote]

[B][U] yeah man continuity will solidify the team. Now Im thinking it would be too drastic and damaging to unload all coaches.[/U][/B]

[quote=Bucket;1032910]If we had to get rid of someone. I would rather see Kyle go, then Mike.[/quote]

Good solution. I'm on board for hiring an Off Cord to inherit the team 3 years from now like a Art Briles.

[quote=diehardskin2982;1032909]My Pick would be

HC= M. Shanny
OC=Kubiac
DC= Ron Rivera[/quote]

I don't see either of these for a demotion and want to work for Shanny at this stage in their careers. Too many guys who are used to do it their way doesn't seem like we can build something lasting before they get other offers.

[quote=Bucket;1032905]Maybe we give up Mike and Kyle, for John and Jay?

We like to keep the family in a "Family business"[/quote]


I think the family thing is busted. An Off Cord should be able to smell the HC's foot for being so deep in his ass. This whole time Kyle is given the Offense and never scolded or corrected. That's Bulls***. Fear is the best motivator not an allowance for bubblegum or however the Shanny household works.

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I like how everyone thinks this is Kyle's offense. That's cute.

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I'm not sure whose offense it is. The problem is that it is not being executed.
RG3 is regressing, adjustments aren’t being made and they are forcing the ball to receivers that are not open.

I hate when people speak in vague tones. What is the issue? Why does the team look so bad? Enlighten me

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[quote=Daseal;1032747]I hope it's not Raheem Morris. He does an awful job coaching the worst position on our team. Our secondary regularly blows their assignment and the guy running them is seen as a potential successor?

That said, I don't think Shanny is done -- nor should he be. We're still better today than we were when he took over. Much better. He also did that while losing 36M to the salary cap.[/quote]

I'm with you bro. For the bugger of me I can't. Get what everyone sees in this Morris guy? First people want him to take over the defense when's in charge of THE WORST part of the defense. The secondary has regressed since he's gotten here. They were bad before hand and became historically bad when he became their coach. Now some want him to be the head coach?!

Does anyone not remember how bad The Bucs were with him as coach? Why the hail do you think he got fired? Unbelivable?!

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Our offense reflects what Mike wants it to reflect. Anyone who thinks Big Mike is hands off on offense and lets Kyle just do whatever he wants is fooling themselves. If I had to guess what we see on offense is mostly Mike's offense with a little bit of Kyle mixed in only because Mike lets Kyle make the play calls on game day.

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In any case the real problem is that our Oline is awful. There's no other way to look at it. They got basically man-handled last night by nobodies. Hell, our 2nd best lineman had to have been Polumbus. Let that sink in. The interior guys looked completely incompetent.

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The whole scheme sucks now, the WR's lining up as RBs is stupid and doesn't work anymore, I believe it was Mike Ditka this morning but he was saying the Skins Offense has to run gimmick plays to be effective and thats never a good sign.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032776]sorry Irish but 4 years is long enough, Mike can't win in DC not consistently any way and its proven, He's 22-31 now and unless we make some miracle 8-3 run he will have 3-4 years under .500. I'm over the shanaplan era and I was one if not his biggest supporter even after the Mcnabb debacle.[/quote]

I think last year made a lot of people forget how broken this organization was and in a lot of ways still is. 4 years just isn't enough time to overcome almost 2 decades of complete and total mismanagement at every level of this organization.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

eh I understand that but the Saints turned a whole franchise of losing into a power and TB did it as well under Dungy.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Well, if I'm hiring a new head coach, I'm going for Mike Zimmern and hiring McDaniels as my OC.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=irish;1032955]I think last year made a lot of people forget how broken this organization was and in a lot of ways still is. 4 years just isn't enough time to overcome almost 2 decades of complete and total mismanagement at every level of this organization.[/quote]
You're getting.....scarily observant Irish. Indeed..

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=irish;1032955]I think last year made a lot of people forget how broken this organization was and in a lot of ways still is. 4 years just isn't enough time to overcome almost 2 decades of complete and total mismanagement at every level of this organization.[/quote]

That's just nonsense. The worst teams/franchises in league history have been turned around completely in just three years. Mike's had that and more. This is a piss poor team because of him, period. Mike has had complete control from day one and is more responsible for his team than any other coach in the nfl.

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Does anyone think Shanny gets an extension this offseason?

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[quote=The Goat;1032982]That's just nonsense. The worst teams/franchises in league history have been turned around completely in just three years. Mike's had that and more. This is a piss poor team because of him, period. Mike has had complete control from day one and is more responsible for his team than any other coach in the nfl.[/quote]

Name one team that turned around despite a $36 mil. cap penalty.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=The Goat;1032982]That's just nonsense. The worst teams/franchises in league history have been turned around completely in just three years. Mike's had that and more. This is a piss poor team because of him, period. Mike has had complete control from day one [B]and is more responsible for his team than any other coach in the nfl.[/quote][/B]

You never cease to amaze

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=mbedner3420;1032983]Does anyone think Shanny gets an extension this offseason?[/quote]

No. We mutually part ways.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1032983]Does anyone think Shanny gets an extension this offseason?[/quote]No, but I bet Snyder won't fire him till his 5 years are up.

Hopefully we can be good next season.

Dan won't fire Mike not.unless we went like 2-14, so we will.probably be stuck with him.another year .

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[quote=HailGreen28;1032999]No, but I bet Snyder won't fire him till his 5 years are up.

Hopefully we can be good next season.[/quote]

It seems like its always next season with this guy.

Anyone now thinkin he rode to those SB victories on the backs of Elway?

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=The Goat;1032982]The worst teams/franchises in league history have been turned around completely in just three years.[/quote]


Like??

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[quote=Mechanix544;1033020]It seems like its always next season with this guy.

Anyone now thinkin he rode to those SB victories on the backs of Elway?[/quote]

Name me another SB that Walsh won without Montana. Name me another SB that Bellichek won without Brady.

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TheGoat posted about franchises being turned around completely within 3 years. I know that it's happened but I can't think of the team. I've said it on here many times, I once watched a very interesting show on the NFL network, about the NFL's most winning teams, and they all had nearly the same amount of time that it took to put the team together. They said between 5 and 7 years to where a team was consistent and in the playoffs every year.

I don't think Shanahan will get fired but I do see the scenario about mutually parting ways if they lose out this season. My prediction is between 2 and 4 wins this year...I think that record is bad enough to either warrant a firing or perhaps Shanahan just steps down...

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[quote=Lotus;1032986]Name one team that turned around despite a $36 mil. cap penalty.[/quote]

Totally agree with this point, we couldn't do crap this offseason to improve the team from last year. Last years team won the divison, but IMO we weren't a very good team. This team still needs a lot of pieces to compete for a SB, remember this team was a wreck before he got here. Yeah you can say it looks like the same results, but I look at the young talent we have compared to the previous regimes.

Lets be realistic folks - he isnt the greatest coach in NFL history and he isnt the worst. He hasnt had a ton of success here or for a handful of years in Denver twards the end. He has done both good and bad here in four years imo, but he had a five year plan and I think the way Snyder has backed off since this regime took over speaks volumes about his job security for next year. If we get our cap money back, and have a completely healthy and more mature Griff at the helm next year we can be a solid team. If we shit the bed again next year I think Mike will walk away. If not than I think he rides a good thing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1033025]Like??[/quote]
Be patient, I think He and Sandtrap Jack are enjoying a moment.....

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=punch it in;1033034]Lets be realistic folks - he isnt the greatest coach in NFL history and he isnt the worst. He hasnt had a ton of success here or for a handful of years in Denver twards the end. He has done both good and bad here in four years imo, but he had a five year plan and I think the way Snyder has backed off since this regime took over speaks volumes about his job security for next year. If we get our cap money back, and have a completely healthy and more mature Griff at the helm next year we can be a solid team. If we shit the bed again next year I think Mike will walk away. If not than I think he rides a good thing.[/quote]

But what if RG3 is never what he used to be, and the fact that we completley abandoned the Zone Read that RG3 excelled at. They are trying to make him into something he may not be able to be.

Is it a situation like with Jason Campbell where you don't bench him no matter what, even if a healthy and maybe capable Kirk Cousins is rotting on the bench? Put cousins in when they are mathematically eliminated. If the team all of a sudden comes alive maybe you have found the problem and Shanahan has some hope for 2014...

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[quote=NC_Skins;1033025]Like??[/quote]The team that was basically in the exact same situation we were in when Shanahan took over was Seattle. Years of mismanagement, lacking talent, knowing the QB of the future wasn't on the roster, and both franchises made an ill-advised trade of a day 2 draft pick (or at least what would now be day 2) that returned no stability at the QB position.

Seattle clearly did not need more than three years to completely change the position of their franchise in the NFL. They were down for two seasons.