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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032822]sadly enough the name will be changed IMO, eventually Dan will just get worn out by the negative pub[/quote]

If they want to ruin the league, then change the name. Everyone knows Redskins vs Cowboys is the best rivalry in the NFL, that will go away forever and a great way to ruin the league and a team.

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I Agree SF but the media wont stop until the name is changed, and when they do change the name they will lose a bunch of fans across the country. The only name I would take would be Braves. The outcry is getting ridiculous though and eventually Dan will cave in. It's inevitable.

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I've kept mute about the Redskin name change but after hearing Costas last night I've about had it with the media and this issue. I understand the name has been controversial for the past however many years but the media Bob Costas included have just launched this into utter ridiculousness. Costas who has done Sunday Night Football coverage for however long I don't think has ever mentioned his defiance against the Redskins' name. To use Sunday Night Football as a soap box and almost lecture viewers who are tuned in to watch a huge rivalry and tradition is ubsurd. Still don't know what needs to be said about the name its not racist it never was and people are making something out of absolutely nothing IMO. This country has way more problems then a NFL football name.

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Does anyone know if the NFL / Goodell / the owners or anyone else can actually force Snyder to change the name? Lets say the owners decide our team's name is bad for the NFL's brand. Can the owners vote to force a name change?

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[quote=mlmpetert;1032849]Does anyone know if the NFL / Goodell / the owners or anyone else can actually force Snyder to change the name? Lets say the owners decide our team's name is bad for the NFL's brand. Can the owners vote to force a name change?[/quote]

They can't. The only way the name would change is if the government stepped in or enough advertisers backed out, thereby forcing a change. Even Snyder alone couldn't just say he's going to change the name and change it. The way the league and licensing rights are structured he'd have to get buy in from the rest of the owners because a name change could cost millions that will be felt across the league.

This isn't as simple as a HS saying they're going to drop the name Redskins, we're talking about a billion dollar organization in a multi-billion dollar league.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032842]I Agree SF but the media wont stop until the name is changed, and when they do change the name they will lose a bunch of fans across the country. The only name I would take would be Braves. The outcry is getting ridiculous though and eventually Dan will cave in. It's inevitable.[/quote]

I agree Braves would be the only name since it was the original. In my opinion, the league is losing fans and will lose many more if the name is changed.

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True

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032854]They can't. The only way the name would change is if the government stepped in or enough advertisers backed out, thereby forcing a change. Even Snyder alone couldn't just say he's going to change the name and change it. The way the league and licensing rights are structured he'd have to get buy in from the rest of the owners because a name change could cost millions that will be felt across the league.

This isn't as simple as a HS saying they're going to drop the name Redskins, we're talking about a billion dollar organization in a multi-billion dollar league.[/quote]

Since that's the case, I don't think there is anything to worry about as neither are going to happen in the near future. This whole thing is just the first really well organized, big push in creating national awareness of the issue. The seeds have been firmly planted but at the end of the day that's all that has happened.

Even if Snyder wanted to change the name I feel like he's financially "stuck" with the Redskins. Not only would the value of the brand would take a huge hit but the merchandising and rebranding costs would be massive. He would alienate his customer base and lose fans (hes not the most beloved owner to begin with). And the structural and administrative costs would be a nightmare.

Im thinking a name change could only coincide with a financial change down the road. Id imagine funds for a new stadium could be contingent upon a new name. Or if Dan ever wanted to (or was forced to) sell ownership in the team, that could trigger naming negations.

Either way, no way would Dan ever absorb the costs of a name change. Id suspect he would even need to be significantly incentivized to change the name. So until the NFL or a government wants to pay for it, we have nothing to worry about it.

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[quote=mlmpetert;1032887]Since that's the case, I don't think there is anything to worry about as neither are going to happen in the near future. This whole thing is just the first really well organized, big push in creating national awareness of the issue. The seeds have been firmly planted but at the end of the day that's all that has happened.

Even if Snyder wanted to change the name I feel like he's financially "stuck" with the Redskins. Not only would the value of the brand would take a huge hit but the merchandising and rebranding costs would be massive. He would alienate his customer base and lose fans (hes not the most beloved owner to begin with). And the structural and administrative costs would be a nightmare.

Im thinking a name change could only coincide with a financial change down the road. Id imagine funds for a new stadium could be contingent upon a new name. Or if Dan ever wanted to (or was forced to) sell ownership in the team, that could trigger naming negations.

Either way, no way would Dan ever absorb the costs of a name change. Id suspect he would even need to be significantly incentivized to change the name. So until the NFL or a government wants to pay for it, we have nothing to worry about it.[/quote]
First on a serious note: When the Washington Bullet's changed their name to the Washington Wizards, what was the cost to the individual team and or the the league? While the team does not have near the following as their NFL sister, did they lose a significant number of fans?

On the other side: I have the new team name - [B]Washington "Shutdowns"[/B]. The team motto could be [B][I]"No one does anything in our house." [/I][/B] [I](sorry, my anti shutdown joke is now complete).[/I]

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[quote=Leader In Sports;1032908]First on a serious note: When the Washington Bullet's changed their name to the Washington Wizards, what was the cost to the individual team and or the the league? [B]While the team does not have near the following as their NFL sister, did they lose a significant number of fans?[/B]

On the other side: I have the new team name - [B]Washington "Shutdowns"[/B]. The team motto could be [B][I]"No one does anything in our house." [/I][/B] [I][B](sorry, my anti shutdown joke is now complete)[/B].[/I][/quote]


1) I dont think the Bullets had any fans to lose.

I was a little young when the Bullets changed their name, but id speculate that Pollin changed the name partly because it made good financial sense (at the time). I understand Pollin sites his friend or family member getting shot as the reason, but if it didnt make sense financially, i cant imagine he would have done it. The Bullets sucked and attendance and revenues were awful, changing the name was a way to generate some excitement in DC basketball.

2) Your joke sucks. Apology not accepted.

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I love this latest poll based on Costas spew last night and Obama's comment:

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/14/do-you-agree-with-the-president-and-bob-costas-should-the-redskins-change-their-name/]Do You Agree With the President and Bob Costas? Should the ‘Redskins’ Change Their Name? | TheBlaze.com[/url]

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WELL...if Bob and Barry....both think we should change it, ok.
Or maybe they should both just go **** themselves and find something else to scandalize for the headline....
What's Miley Cyrus up to?

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Eat shit Bob, Peter, Mike , Sally and the rest of the reporters.

[url=http://wtvr.com/2013/10/14/virginia-tribes-with-unusual-reaction-to-redskins-name-controversy/]Virginia tribes call out Obama on ‘Redskins’ name controversy | WTVR.com[/url]

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Love it...Nice find! SFREDSKIN...
It's all about the headline.....not the accuracy....RIGHT Barry?

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This is BY FAR the best Redskin Name change article I've read.


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-redskins-are-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/2013/10/11/ea3fcbe4-31cd-11e3-8627-c5d7de0a046b_story.html]‘Redskins’ are just the tip of the iceberg - The Washington Post[/url]



(if this has already been posted, sorry)

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Now thats a good read!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1033040]Eat shit Bob, Peter, Mike , Sally and the rest of the reporters.

[url=http://wtvr.com/2013/10/14/virginia-tribes-with-unusual-reaction-to-redskins-name-controversy/]Virginia tribes call out Obama on ‘Redskins’ name controversy | WTVR.com[/url][/quote]

The national media is totally going to run with this;)

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[url=http://www.changethemascot.org/]Change The Mascot - Launched By The Oneida Indian NationChangeTheMascot.org[/url]

lol

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Washington is the offensive part of the Skins name.

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[IMG]http://<a href=http://s260.photobucket.com/user/skyraider50/media/image001.jpg.html target=_blank>[IMG]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/skyraider50/image001.jpg[/IMG][URL="http://s260.photobucket.com/user/skyraider50/media/image001.jpg.html"][IMG]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/skyraider50/image001.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
This stuff is very timely right now. Reading "The Trail of Tears". Weird of all the atrocities that have happened to the Indians. We could be focused on this......Oh well[IMG]http://s260.photobucket.com/user/skyraider50/library/?view=recent&page=1[/IMG]

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/16/washington-redskins-name-dan-snyder-conscience/]Washington Redskins nickname drama has simple solution | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

this is the stupidest shit ever

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033654][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/16/washington-redskins-name-dan-snyder-conscience/]Washington Redskins nickname drama has simple solution | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

this is the stupidest shit ever[/quote]

What would that logo be? Just a shirtless dude?

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Changing the name to "Skins" is idiotic in so many ways.

I am reminded of the character from [I]Robin Hood: Men in Tights[/I], whose family changed its name from "Shithouse" to "Latrine."

With so many good alternatives out there, why on earth would we go just with "Skins"?

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[quote=mbedner3420;1033656]What would that logo be? Just a shirtless dude?[/quote]

I hate the matching logo argument. Teams do not need logos that match their name. Packers, Browns, 49ers, Giants, Jets. Skins should just go back to the R and refuse to talk about the meaning. Most Packers fans don't even know the team is named after the Indian Meat Packing company.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033400][url=http://www.changethemascot.org/]Change The Mascot - Launched By The Oneida Indian NationChangeTheMascot.org[/url]

lol[/quote]

We have a mascot? Since when? I hope it's better than G-Wiz.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1033040]Eat shit Bob, Peter, Mike , Sally and the rest of the reporters.

[url=http://wtvr.com/2013/10/14/virginia-tribes-with-unusual-reaction-to-redskins-name-controversy/]Virginia tribes call out Obama on ‘Redskins’ name controversy | WTVR.com[/url][/quote]

I think this guy should be criticizing the Oneida nation instead of Bob Costas or Obama.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033654][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/16/washington-redskins-name-dan-snyder-conscience/]Washington Redskins nickname drama has simple solution | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

this is the stupidest shit ever[/quote]

Argh im quoting this, don't spread Peter King..... Whatever he says about anything, its always wrong.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1033814]Argh im quoting this, don't spread Peter King..... Whatever he says about anything, its always wrong.[/quote]

Peter King didn't write it

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[url]https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/peter-king-and-chris-russo[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1033833][URL]https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/peter-king-and-chris-russo[/URL][/quote]
........Good Stuff!!

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[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/hail-to-the-redskins-nfl-must-save-name-image-legacy/25861/]Hail To the Redskins: NFL Must Save Name, Image, Legacy[/url]

[quote]What do the Boston Tea Party, Valley Forge, the Declaration of Independence, Fenway Park and New York City's famed Tammany Hall have to do with the percolating controversy over the Washington Redskins? [/quote]


[quote]It was common at the time for teams in the upstart NFL to adopt the names of the more established local baseball teams, especially since the baseball clubs often hosted the NFL teams’ home games.
•Chicago was home to baseball’s Cubs. So combative George Halas one-upped them and renamed his young team the Bears in 1922.
•New York City in the 1920s was home to three baseball teams, including the National League Giants. The Mara family adopted the name Giants when they founded their NFL franchise in 1925. Both teams played in the same famed Polo Grounds.
•The NFL’s Pittsburgh Steelers began life as the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1933.

The new NFL team in Boston in 1932 followed that tradition when it adopted the same name, same red color scheme and same feathered Indian head logo of Saint Tammany, while playing in the same Braves Field.

The Boston Football Braves lasted only one year. They moved to Fenway Park, the home of the American League’s Red Sox, the following season.

The young NFL franchise suddenly faced a branding conundrum, an indentity crisis.

They could no longer keep the name Braves. Yet they wanted to continue the tradition of red in the Boston uniform, now dating across two sports, three sports leagues and more than five decades. They wanted to keep alive the franchise’s Native American heritage and image. And they wanted to pay tribute to their new home-field hosts, the Red Sox.

The name Redskins was a perfect fit on every front: tradition, history, patriotism, home-team tribute and even color scheme. It also afforded the franchise an opportunity keep alive the distinctive Tammany Hall Indian head logo. (You can see the evolution of Redskins logos here at Chris Creamer's SportsLogos.net.)

Hell, the name Redskins was not just perfect. It was brilliant. The name was seen at the time (and is still seen by the American public in general and the Native American community in particular) as all sports names are seen: as a tribute, not an insult.

Critics of the Redskins name routinely point out that team owner George Preston Marshall was a racist. Evidence seems to indicate he was. And they use this fact as the foundation of their belief that the name Redskins must also be racist. But as a friend posted on Facebook: "Someone please tell me a SINGLE good reason a team would select a derogatory name to call themselves. There isn't, they didn't, get over it."

Boston didn’t quite work out for the team, of course. Marshall moved the franchise to Washington D.C. before the 1937 season. They drafted an amazing ballplayer out of TCU that year named Sammy Baugh, the Pigskin Messiah.

The Redskins won the NFL championship that very same 1937 season and began a long, storied history in the nation’s capital – a history under assault right now.

The Redskins are the only team in the nation's most popular sport that pays tribute to the original Americans and to the history and spirit of a forgotten figure in our national history. It's a tribute everytime the Redskins take the field to a “sainted” Native American holy man beloved by the young nation in our struggling early days.

It’s only fitting that the Redskins play today it in the nation’s capital, in the city named for the Father of His Country: the words Washington Redskins joined side by side, much the way Americans saw themselves at the nation’s founding, a unique blend of transplanted European and native American forging a new culture and a new kind of nation on the world stage.

It's important that Americans rally to support the Redskins, to keep this legacy alive.

Hell, if we change the name of the Redskins, we might as well change the name of Washington D.C. [/quote]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1033833][url]https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/peter-king-and-chris-russo[/url][/quote]

King going with the San Francisco Negroes argument at the end was nauseating. He had no answer for Russo's case that American Indian high schools called themselves the Redskins and then finished with that garbage? Are there African American high schools across the country that call themselves the Negroes? And if there were a team called the San Francisco Negroes, would 80% plus of the African American community be OK with that?

NOT THE SAME!!!

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[quote=44Deezel;1033838]King going with the San Francisco Negroes argument at the end was nauseating. He had no answer for Russo's case that American Indian high schools called themselves the Redskins and then finished with that garbage? Are there African American high schools across the country that call themselves the Negroes? And if there were a team called the San Francisco Negroes, would 80% plus of the African American community be OK with that?

NOT THE SAME!!![/quote]

A couple of things said by King when asked:

Why the name change after over 80 years? Response: I don't know!

How come you are not petitioning other professional franchises (Braves, Indians, Blackhawks) or high schools teams with The Redskins name. Response: I only cover the NFL

Weak ass responses.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1033841]A couple of things said by King when asked:

Why the name change after over 80 years? Response: I don't know!

How come you are not petitioning other professional franchises (Braves, Indians, Blackhawks) or high schools teams with The Redskins name. Response: I only cover the NFL

Weak ass responses.[/quote]

Total publicity stunt to draw attention to his new site. Hope he totally gets iced out when he visits training camp next year. Nothing, however, is worse than Mike Wise taking money to appear on REDSKINS Showtime each week. If you really think Redskin = the N word, do you go on a show called Redskins Showtime? Would he be a paid contributor on a show called N Word showtime?

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[url=http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/25/washington-redskins-name-change-bravehearts-dan-snyder-aris-mardirossian/]Washington Redskins Name Change -- Where There's Smoke ... | TMZ.com[/url]

dear god please don't let this be real

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1035490][URL="http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/25/washington-redskins-name-change-bravehearts-dan-snyder-aris-mardirossian/"]Washington Redskins Name Change -- Where There's Smoke ... | TMZ.com[/URL]

dear god please don't let this be real[/quote]

Makes no sense. Why would Dan let him own the name if he was in fact thinking of making a name change? It would give him a free in on all profits form the name/logo. My guess they are not such friends and if Dan ever wants that name he will have to buy the rights or give him a cut.

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It's TMZ, come on peeps

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TMZ can be pretty on point when it comes to gossip and breaking stories... But I dunno about this.

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yeah I think its just a joke

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Arena Football baby!!